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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Jesus Christ, if you ever, just once, actually got your facts straight about anything, I would consider it a sign the world was going to end.

First, Hillary Clinton, contrary to everything you said, did not volunteer to defend this person of the rape charge, she was the court appointed attorney.

Let me explain that in such a way that even a rock could understand.

The defendent could not afford an attorney, and unlike some countries, the US constitution does state everyone must have an attorney.

The court appointed Hillary Clinton as defense attorney, which by the way she admits that she had problems with and tried to get out of the case (the court records back this up as well) and was flatly told she could not refuse the case.

The points she laughed at was that while this individual demanded an attorney, he plead guilty to the crime not for a lighter sentence, and the fact that the defendant passed a lie detector test which, although is not admissible in court, pretty much destroyed the prosecutor's case, but proved to Clinton the technology was flawed.

She did not get him off, he plead guilty, with her support to making that plea.

She did not approach the prosecutor with the deal, the prosecutor made the deal, the judge suspended the sentence, and then gave him credit for time served.

It must also be pointed out that the reason she was selected for the case in the first place is that both the prosecutor and the judge handling the case figured the jury would be less hostile toward a rape defendant with a woman attorney.

All of this is a matter of record in the court in which the case was heard.

And if you had half a brain and even less knowledge of the workings of an internet search engine, you could have found this out all for yourself.

So instead of blasting Hilary Clinton, you might consider the following questions:

1) why would a judge and prosecutor want a woman to represent a accused rapist so the jury would be less hostile toward the defendant.

2) Why, when she said she did not want the case, she was reminded that she could not very well refuse a JUDGE'S ORDER, meaning the judge had already ordered her to represent the man, to do so would put her in contempt of court and land her in jail.

3) Why is it a matter of record the judge had a list of women lawyers that he could appoint to represent male clients in such cases?

4) Why did the judge find it necessary to issue a court order to have women represent rapists in the first place?

As for the rape allegations against Bill Clinton, first it has not ever been proved or disproved that it happened, second while the circumstantial evidence was there, no formal charges were brought (the victim has given differing reasons over the years, including when she was interviewed by congressional investigators during the Clinton impeachment procedures) and even after that.

Considering I am not a fan of either Bill or Hillary, I would have loved to see his ass in court on rape charges, he would have been finished politically even if the were found not guilty.

But more to the point, why do you find it necessary to continue with the inaccurate and down right false bullshit when it is so easily proven to be bullshit?

as for the democrats being muslim loving etc, again it is bullshit.

The only pro Muslim statement from the democrats is that you cannot judge every member of an entire religion on the actions of a very small minority.

Furthermore, when you consider the most prolific anti democrat conservative talking head fruit loop Glen Beck has denounced Trump for his statements against women, against fellow republicans, you really have to stop and think that Trump is just too fucking crazy for even the most crazy republicans.

Greta, do yourself a favor, before spouting off any more nonsense, learn to use google and check the facts.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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On top of that, anybody who is Hillary supporter is being a hypocrite. Hillary stood by and enabled a man who also have sexually harassed women. Yes she is inlove with this man. But as a woman who claims to be for woman. She also victim shamed Bill's victims.

The hypocrisy is, everybody is silent about Hillary doing her wifely duty and sticking by her sexual predator husband. But everybody is horrified about Trump?

Bill Clinton actually got accused of rape, not just harassment!

The hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I wonder what would happen if hillary turned up with all trumps accusers in time for the next debate....just before the debate, and have them try to sit in the hillary family box????

You mean, right next to Bill? Yeah, I wonder too.

Why do you feel sexual harrassment is loathsome coming from a Democrat, but perfectly acceptable when it's a Republican doing it?

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
This is such typical left wing spinning. I laughed at the parents for deserving the punishment for abusing a child. Why don't you go after Hillary for laughing at a 12 yr old girl rape, who was raped so badly, and beaten up so badly, she went into coma for 5 days, and cannot give birth for life because her womb was so badly damaged. The most heinous crime happened to a 12 yr old girl. And Hillary decided her professional duty is more important, and to help this Rapist get off at all cost! And then laugh about it. She also accused this 12 yr old to be going after mature men and claim that young girls are prone to making up stories! Who is the Queen of victim-blaming here?

I am happy to be associated with Team deplorable because at least Team deplorable ain't hypocrites.

Cuz Team Left Wing, Supports Islam that abuses women! And Supports Hillary that took down a 12 yr old who was brutally raped and abused and stood by her sexual predator husband and defended him against the women who accused him.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
Again, Greta, facts. Why don't you go to Snopes and actually read up on it yourself. Because this is crap.

Snopes has been inaccurate before on Obama. Claiming Obama's birth father is not a Muslim but an Atheist.
And personally, if someone is accusing me of laughing at a 12 yr old rape. And if it's not true. I would vehemently defend it. She completely side swap it, because she couldn't defend it. Because if you observe throughout the debate, she was very quick in saying that All Trump said is not true, to most things. But when it came to this rape victim. She didn't say it's not true.

This is a very serious allegation. As a woman who is suppose to be FOR women. And that's the one she didn't defend?

Why does this 12 yr old rape victim feel aggrieve by Hillary?

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She is angry because her attacker got off with a plea deal rather than being convicted of rape. In the process, she had to have a psychiatric examination, which would have been humiliating for her. If I was the woman, I would be pissed with Hillary too. It would be strange for a victim to not be pissed at the lawyer who defended her attacker, even if he had been convicted of rape.


Clinton was a legal aid lawyer at the time. The defendant requested a woman lawyer, so Clinton was assigned the case.

Hillary says, and this was verified by the prosecutor on the case, that she asked to be removed saying “I don’t want to represent this guy. I just can’t stand this. I don’t want to get involved. Can you get me off?” But the judge ordered her to stay on the case. If she had refused, she could have been censured or disbarred.

During the case, she asked for a psychiatric examination of the victim, because the defendant told her that the victim was emotionally unstable and had accused people of similar things before. At that point she was legally obligated to follow up on that. In arguing for the examination, Clinton cited a study by a child psychologist that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant’s, are even more prone to such behavior".

She didn't say that the victim was doing any of those things. She said that studies had shown that children in situations like the victim's tended to do that, and that there needed to be a psychiatric examination to determine whether or not that was the case.

Later Clinton showed in court that the evidence used against the defendant had been mishandled and was not sufficient to be used against him. Rather than continue on with the case with the possibility of having it dismissed for lack of evidence, the prosecutor offered a plea deal.

A few years later Clinton was being interviewed about the case, and she was specifically discussing the events that led to a plea deal rather than conviction for rape. In three instances she laughs, about things that were screw ups in the case, not about anything to do with the victim at all. In fact one of the things that she laughs about was the fact that her client passed a polygraph test, which destroyed any faith she ever had in polygraphs. The other things were about things the prosecution had done trying to get a conviction which were obvious blunders on their part.

Honestly, it sounds to me like there was a chance she could have gotten him acquitted, especially in that day and age.

Do I feel that she was inappropriate with the laughter? I don't know, it was years later, she was recounting screw-ups that other people did, and gave short little laughs after each one. I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same in the same circumstances of the interview. But she was not talking about the victim or anything to do with the victim herself when that happened.

I read several articles on it, and this one seemed to be the most reliable and comprehensive.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/

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On top of that, anybody who is Hillary supporter is being a hypocrite. Hillary stood by and enabled a man who also have sexually harassed women. Yes she is inlove with this man. But as a woman who claims to be for woman. She also victim shamed Bill's victims.

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Bill Clinton actually got accused of rape, not just harassment!

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I'm not ready to say its invalid yet...there is too much here for it not to be looked into.

As far as illicit events at Epstein's house...he is a level 3 registered sex offender, notorious for his prediliction for underage girls. His nickname is "the billionare pedophile".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein


A summary of the case, along with the affidavit from the accuser and the witness.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html

Of the 3 points the author makes, the first two are either current fodder or events that were settled without any clear evidence of guilt or innocence. The third is the relevant one here, and towards the end of it is the link to the affidavits.

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The hypocrisy is just unbelievable.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
When have you complained about the circus peanut doing that?

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Looks a bit fishy if you're turning a blind eye to your party's boy being filmed bragging about how he can molest women with impunity while making snide little digs at Clinton's husband facing prsecution for doing the same.

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Looks a bit fishy if you're turning a blind eye to your party's boy being filmed bragging about how he can molest women with impunity while making snide little digs at Clinton's husband facing prsecution for doing the same.

Pfft...I don't give a fuck what looks "fishy" to you. It's all bad behavior. But I find the outrage at Trump over something he said completely phony when compared to how everyone turns a blind eye to what Bill did.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I wonder what would happen if hillary turned up with all trumps accusers in time for the next debate....just before the debate, and have them try to sit in the hillary family box????

You mean, right next to Bill? Yeah, I wonder too.

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And Trump didn't?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
First, Hillary Clinton, contrary to everything you said, did not volunteer to defend this person of the rape charge, she was the court appointed attorney.

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as for the democrats being muslim loving etc, again it is bullshit.
The only pro Muslim statement from the democrats is that you cannot judge every member of an entire religion on the actions of a very small minority.

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Furthermore, when you consider the most prolific anti democrat conservative talking head fruit loop Glen Beck has denounced Trump for his statements against women, against fellow republicans, you really have to stop and think that Trump is just too fucking crazy for even the most crazy republicans.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
And that's without getting into the related issue which is that everybody without exception is entitled to professional representation under the American legal system. Whether their counsel resents being expected to represent some fuckbucket who's clearly guiltier than the fox in the chicken coop Louis Jordan sang about or not, this is still inarguably a good thing.
Seriously: anybody who argues otherwise, basically just wants to be able to lock people up without giving them the benefit of a trial first.
(The spectacle of apologists for a notorious nuisance litigant trying to spin Clinton as being pro-sex pest because she provided legal aid to a rapist beggars fucking belief really, doesn't it?)

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First, Hillary Clinton, contrary to everything you said, did not volunteer to defend this person of the rape charge, she was the court appointed attorney.

Sorry, I feel disdain for any lawyers who fights hard for a rapist. Including local lawyers in my own country and got vicious rapists off easier or completely free. This one is probably one of the worst case I ever heard, because it involves a 12 yr old who got raped so bad, she got into a coma and lost the use of her womb.

There is one thing about accusing an adult female for often chasing after mature men. But 12 yr old?????

She defended that she had to do her best because it is her job. Personally, I don't know how she could possibly want to do her best and also produce victim shaming statements in her defense of the rapist. AS a woman who claim she is for woman!

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as for the democrats being muslim loving etc, again it is bullshit.
The only pro Muslim statement from the democrats is that you cannot judge every member of an entire religion on the actions of a very small minority.

Okay, Hillary is for woman. But want to openly support a religion that has in it's Quran text to beat women. Where whole Islamic countries, approves of it and acknowledges it is the Muslim way. Yup........, whatever! Enabling again! Same as she enabled her husband. I mean, when whole sharia law runned countries advocate it, you can't say it's minority.

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Furthermore, when you consider the most prolific anti democrat conservative talking head fruit loop Glen Beck has denounced Trump for his statements against women, against fellow republicans, you really have to stop and think that Trump is just too fucking crazy for even the most crazy republicans.

I never respected Glen Beck. He is an idiot, all his views have always been idiotic so I am not surprise.