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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 11:17:05 AM   
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“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson

High federal debt ensures two things 1) That the government fears the people and 2) more state control. Whilst state control enrages the people, it also has the majority fearing their government; but will there/could there be a coups d'état? Personally I don't think so, unless the government declares martial law. I believe martial law in America would bring about a civil war like we have never seen before.





Martial law? Thats yesterdays game. Today the game is subterfuge. 'Your' reality is your perception and what you believe. (its also an elemental part of what defines your 'religion' which is outside gubblmint jurisdiction, but thats another topic)

If someone can get you to believe your car has gold lining and the paint never wears off you will forever believe that car was gold despite the fact it was totally false.

Now institutionalize it. Thats what you have today.

These politicians stand up and lie saying they never said contrary to video record. I'm sorry thats about as bold as it gets. These people operate and are granted enormous power as 'trustees' in to fulfill duties and requirements of said 'TRUST'.

Many people arent aware what it is that bothers the shit out of them because its out of their direct scope of personal knowledge which is why movies like this top the charts for a very long time, and many dont understand them either, but feel the connection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3g8pFc0rg

Collective corporate debt, that we do not get to vote on is precisely what jefferson was talking about because it creates a slave nation.

So I disagree that ML is required, since the people today know that the gubblmint is acting under its war powers to circumvent the need for declaring martial law, and they get the same results with impunity.











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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 11:28:51 AM   
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Snip;

Make no mistake, the government is ready for a civil uprising.

Indeed, the government has been preparing for this moment for years.

A 2008 Army War College report revealed that “widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.” The 44-page report goes on to warn that potential causes for such civil unrest could include another terrorist attack, “unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters.”

Subsequent reports by the Department of Homeland Security to identify, monitor and label right-wing and left-wing activists and military veterans as extremists (a.k.a. terrorists) have manifested into full-fledged pre-crime surveillance programs. Almost a decade later, after locking down the nation and spending billions to fight terrorism, the DHS has concluded that the greater threat is not ISIS but domestic right-wing extremism.

Meanwhile, the government has been amassing an arsenal of military weapons for use domestically and equipping and training their “troops” for war. Even government agencies with largely administrative functions such as the Food and Drug Administration, Department of Veterans Affairs, and the Smithsonian have been acquiring body armor, riot helmets and shields, cannon launchers and police firearms and ammunition. In fact, there are now at least 120,000 armed federal agents carrying such weapons who possess the power to arrest.

Rounding out this profit-driven campaign to turn American citizens into enemy combatants (and America into a battlefield) is a technology sector that is colluding with the government to create a Big Brother that is all-knowing, all-seeing and inescapable. It’s not just the drones, fusion centers, license plate readers, stingray devices and the NSA that you have to worry about. You’re also being tracked by the black boxes in your cars, your cell phone, smart devices in your home, grocery loyalty cards, social media accounts, credit cards, streaming services such as Netflix, Amazon, and e-book reader accounts.

Snip;

The powers-that-be want us to feel vulnerable.

They want us to fear each other and trust the government’s hired gunmen to keep us safe from terrorists, extremists, jihadists, psychopaths, etc.

Most of all, the powers-that-be want us to feel powerless to protect ourselves and reliant on and grateful for the dubious protection provided by the American police state.

Their strategy is working.

The tree of liberty is dying.

There will be no second American Revolution.

There is no place in our nation for the kind of armed revolution our forefathers mounted against a tyrannical Great Britain. Such an act would be futile and tragic. We are no longer dealing with a distant, imperial king but with a tyrant of our own making: a militarized, technologized, heavily-financed bureaucratic machine that operates beyond the reach of the law.


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We are fast becoming an anemic, weak, pathetically diluted offspring of our revolutionary forebears incapable of mounting a national uprising against a tyrannical regime.

If there is to be any hope of reclaiming our government and restoring our freedoms, it will require a different kind of coup: nonviolent, strategic and grassroots, starting locally and trickling upwards. Such revolutions are slow and painstaking. They are political, in part, but not through any established parties or politicians.

Most of all, as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, for any chance of success, such a revolution will require more than a change of politics: it will require a change of heart among the American people, a reawakening of the American spirit, and a citizenry that cares more about their freedoms than their fantasy games.


America is a ticking time bomb.

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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 11:37:26 AM   
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A 2008 Army War College report revealed that “widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.” The 44-page report goes on to warn that potential causes for such civil unrest could include another terrorist attack, “unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters.”



21st century prophets

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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 11:43:39 AM   
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Most of all, as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, for any chance of success, such a revolution will require more than a change of politics: it will require a change of heart among the American people, a reawakening of the American spirit, and a citizenry that cares more about their freedoms than their fantasy games.


America is a ticking time bomb.



People have been taught the wrong word, freedom is a greater connection to gubblmint, [free to (with gub permission)] liberty is free from the need of gub permission, and inherent rights are the highest power that we RESERVED to ourselves, outside the gubmint, the no trespass zone that the gubmint violated before the ink was dry.

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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 11:44:47 AM   
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@Martial law? Thats yesterdays game. Today the game is subterfuge.

The preparations for martial law is subterfuge!

I have a fairly good understanding of the NWO and how the big lie works RealOne but that's why I wouldn't be surprised to see a false flag that would bring about martial law.



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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 12:03:47 PM   
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@Martial law? Thats yesterdays game. Today the game is subterfuge.

The preparations for martial law is subterfuge!

I have a fairly good understanding of the NWO and how the big lie works RealOne but that's why I wouldn't be surprised to see a false flag that would bring about martial law.





that nwo thing makes me cringe. few people understand that the nwo is the united states, a corporation created by the united colonies, and a judge said that the us was the nwo in a court case once. It was the addition of franchise to subject which gives you a choice without a choice. The first settlers were required to swear an oath of liege before they could own property. All property in this country is sworn to the gubmint. The only property that is not is the property originally granted by yep the crown. That is how they got jurisdiction to collect taxes on the house you need to survive and take it away putting you on the street if you cannot afford their taxes. Their jurisdiction lays in the 'taxing' interest which has grown to making ordinances how lng your grass must be. I hope it never would come to an all out war, but one person at a company I have occasion to do business wth pointed out that the gublmint has raised the ante so high that war is the only way to get real change but also as a caveat he said OMG with the constitutional retards we have in this country today, it would be like jumping into the fire. The original intent of reserved rights has been buried so deep that I doubt it will ever surface again, because people are so used to being trated like slaves they know no other way or life.





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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 12:06:56 PM   
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Thank you for starting this thread Chaska. I've just ordered 'Battlefield America' off Amazon as its my kind of read.



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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 12:16:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MariaB

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson

High federal debt ensures two things 1) That the government fears the people and 2) more state control. Whilst state control enrages the people, it also has the majority fearing their government; but will there/could there be a coups d'état? Personally I don't think so, unless the government declares martial law. I believe martial law in America would bring about a civil war like we have never seen before.




Gonna have to disagree with this one, at least partially.

High federal debt means the People are more enslaved. We are not self sufficient and depend on imports. As such an insurrection would bring a drop in the value of the US dollar. And those who want to promote WW3 don't realize that they will be lookig at a ten buck loaf of bread ad ten buck a gallon gas. And don't give me this we produce our own oil more and more states are going to outlaw fracking which blows that, and even if they don't the oil companies will say "It is not cheaper because we can gat that much for it on the international market". And they have to do that because they have stockholders.

And state control does not piss people off usually. You can't have exactly the same laws in Texas and New York. Like the shit about the water saving faucets. They don't have the fucking brains to figure out that when you fill the sink to do the dishes you are using the same amount of water but are now inconvenienced by the time it takes to fill up. They don't have the fucking brains to understand that you washing machine, which is the biggest water user in your house, is still going to use the same amount of water. They don't realize that with a water saving shower head you will be in the shower longer to rinse that shampoo out of your hair.

I live only a few miles from a lake. A toilet that uses 3.5 gallons rather than 1.2 to flush is just fine here. Now in Arizona or whatever, it is a different story.

High debt makes them slightly less likely to start WW3, slightly. What they fear is if they piss too many people off they will be dropping the petrobucks and the dollar might be worth a dime. Not that they care all that much, they probably have money in all kinds of currencies across the world. But they know they will lose public support if that happens and maybe cause an insurrection.

People say an insurrection won't work because the US government is so powerful but I do not completely agree with that. First of all they are not going to use an ICBM on us, nor any nukes. Second of all there is some doubt the military would attack us. Third of all I have talked to alot of cops in my days and plenty of them plain out say it like "This is a good job, pay and benefits and sometimes i get to do some good, but I work as a revenuer writing tickets most of the time". They also say a few other things I will not repeat here. Let's just say if there is a revolution many of them might just join it. Also any veterans are not happy with the government because they got a dirty deal. And some of them are healthy and trained better than the cops

And they all will be alot less loyal to the regime when the checks stop coming.

Cops are not all stupid. There was a city that decreased cops' pay to minimum wage because they were out of money. It is findable on Google. The politicians stole too much money - OOPS. Did the politicians like city hall and the mayor give up their paychecks first ? Come on, you know better than to think they did. I hope every one of their houses got robbed.

Last, not least but a short mention about guns. This society is not fully developed. When it is, everyone will probably just scrap their guns rather than taking the risk they get into the wrong hands. But this is no a civilised society yet so we need weapons. It is like an urban jungle.

T^T

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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 2:33:34 PM   
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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 3:02:11 PM   
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T,
People at large never bothered to crack book one about the gubmint, they barely made it through high school history.


Message of His Excellency Nelson Dewey, to the First Legislature of the State of Wisconsin, Delivered June 8th, 1848
Volume 6 of Collection of pamphlets and magazines from the press of J. Munsell
Publisher Governor's Office, 1848
Length 7 pages


they wont learn till it gets so painful there is no other alternative.


2013-14 WISCONSIN STATUTES & ANNOTATIONS
Published October 7, 2016. Certified under s. 35.18.
Updated through 2015 Wisconsin Act 392 and all Supreme Court Orders effective before October 7, 2016.
Statutory changes effective after October 7, 2016, are designated by notes.
CHAPTER 1
SOVEREIGNTY AND JURISDICTION OF THE STATE




1.01  State sovereignty and jurisdiction. The sovereignty and jurisdiction of this state extend to all places within the boundaries declared in article II of the constitution, subject only to such rights of jurisdiction as have been or shall be acquired by the United States over any places therein; and the governor, and all subordinate officers of the state, shall maintain and defend its sovereignty and jurisdiction. [aw shit they forgot about the PEOPLE]


what is sovereignty and jurisdiction?

The kings right to rule.



Sovereignty is understood in jurisprudence---[LAW] as the full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside sources or bodies. In political theory, sovereignty is a substantive term designating supreme authority over some polity.


In United States law, the federal government as well as state and tribal governments generally enjoy sovereign immunity from lawsuits, although in some cases this immunity has been waived by law. Local governments in most jurisdictions enjoy immunity from some forms of suit, particularly in tort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States


You dont get to vote on the law you must obey, court cases won by the state many through implied hypothesis's and summary judgment which bars you from a trial BY JURY of peers and then you have to ask permission to sue.


Begs the question, which is more fitting? dictatorship? monarchy by any other name?

First off a citizen is an OFFICER OF THE STATE/NATION, albeit not recognised and should have the right to level a suit against any other office of state or nation and have it charged off as the cost of doing business


So in the us we have sovereignty which every one is led to believe by its definition to reflect the states relationship to 'outsiders' in fact being used to defend itself against insiders, ie ITS citizens, the very people that gave them the authority to govern in the first place.

How fucked is that?

How could the creators of the contract possibly become slaves of the subordinate party the contract created?

People today know or ar beginning to realize this enmasse



and so do they







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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 4:50:33 PM   
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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 7:40:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaska

Snip;

Make no mistake, the government is ready for a civil uprising.


When have they not been?

Indeed, the government has been preparing for this moment for years.

A 2008 Army War College report revealed that “widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.”



The author seems to have never read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade.
The history of amerika is replete with numerous outbreaks of civil disobedience
There are many on this board who were alive during the 60's. Does anyone remember patty herst and the sla?
Does anyone know of the more than one million amerikan citizens of mexican ethnicity who were thrown out of the country during the depression? How about the veterans march on washington that was delt with by dougout doug,pearl handle patton and a clerk named eisenhower and a couple of batallions of army infantry?







Most of all, the powers-that-be want us to feel powerless to protect ourselves and reliant on and grateful for the dubious protection provided by the American police state.


That is a hoot...which of the chair born rangers on here think they can wilthstand one squad of infantry?


The tree of liberty is dying.

roflmfao


There will be no second American Revolution.

There is no place in our nation for the kind of armed revolution our forefathers mounted against a tyrannical Great Britain.


Our forfathers did no such thing. The "revolution" was nothing but a proxy war between france and england. France supplied 90% of the gunpowder. Without that gunpowder our "forfathers would have been facing british regulars with sticks and rocks.


Such an act would be futile and tragic. We are no longer dealing with a distant, imperial king but with a tyrant of our own making: a militarized, technologized, heavily-financed bureaucratic machine that operates beyond the reach of the law.


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We are fast becoming an anemic, weak, pathetically diluted offspring of our revolutionary forebears incapable of mounting a national uprising against a tyrannical regime.

Neither were they.

If there is to be any hope of reclaiming our government and restoring our freedoms,

I am rather curious just which freedoms we have lost?

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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 7:44:25 PM   
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What is the saying that goes something like:
Every leader of a coupe takes on the mantle of the former oppressor?



I am curious as to how you would apply that platitude to say stalin,mao,or castro?

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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 7:54:25 PM   
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I don't think the revolution ever ended. It started with the taxation without representation

You never had access to a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade did you? England taxed the colonies from day one. There never was any representation yet you seem to think it was something new. All that was new was the form. It was not until the taxes began to affect the wealthy that a revolution was formented by the wealthy and fought by the not wealthy.

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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/9/2016 8:39:40 PM   
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At least you Americans have guns... and you can actually maybe pull off a revolution. You also have recall referendums. For all the hate that America gets it still has a lot of good going for it deep behind all that corruption and wickedness.

Most Europeans are in a relationship with their government that would reflect a BDSM one with no safe word and no ability to leave. On top of that we have a reactionary right that is so freaked out about the islamists we keep importing and radicalizing by bombing their countries that they are literally calling for dictatorship.

Oh and we literally have a manic depressive in our household that is Greece. They still have the same Debt to GDP that they had 5 years ago even though (or because of) having sold off assets, downgraded social services and become Merkels little bitch. Nothing has improved and everyone are in denial.

One day Greece is advertising tourism and smiling brightly the next day there is a massive strike.
At least it seems to be worse in Turkey considering Turks are applying for ASSYLUM in Greece after the failed coup... x.X







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RE: A New American Revolution! - 10/10/2016 8:18:44 AM   
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At least you Americans have guns... and you can actually maybe pull off a revolution.

The one doesn't follow from the other, sadly. Just look at how quickly the shower of tools who were occupying pastures on a nature reserve folded when it looked like they might have to deal with the Feds if they carried on.

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