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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 5:31:51 AM   
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Again, Greta, facts. Why don't you go to Snopes and actually read up on it yourself. Because this is crap.

Snopes has been inaccurate before on Obama. Claiming Obama's birth father is not a Muslim but an Atheist.
And personally, if someone is accusing me of laughing at a 12 yr old rape. And if it's not true. I would vehemently defend it. She completely side swap it, because she couldn't defend it. Because if you observe throughout the debate, she was very quick in saying that All Trump said is not true, to most things. But when it came to this rape victim. She didn't say it's not true.

This is a very serious allegation. As a woman who is suppose to be FOR women. And that's the one she didn't defend?

Why does this 12 yr old rape victim feel aggrieve by Hillary?


You don't really understand the public defender system in this country.
In this country, if you need a lawyer and can not afford one, one will be provided for you through the public defender's office.
And usually you don't get to pick and choose who you are defending; you get assigned a client and it is your job to defend them to the best of your ability, no matter what they have done, no matter whether they are innocent or guilty.
In every case, there is the presumption of innocence.
Someone is presumed innocent until they are proven guilty by a jury of their peers... (or by the judge in a non-jury trial).

Don't feel bad that you don't understand how it works. Trump is betting that a lot of people in this country don't understand it either.

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 6:40:57 AM   
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Again, Greta, facts. Why don't you go to Snopes and actually read up on it yourself. Because this is crap.

Snopes has been inaccurate before on Obama. Claiming Obama's birth father is not a Muslim but an Atheist.
And personally, if someone is accusing me of laughing at a 12 yr old rape. And if it's not true. I would vehemently defend it. She completely side swap it, because she couldn't defend it. Because if you observe throughout the debate, she was very quick in saying that All Trump said is not true, to most things. But when it came to this rape victim. She didn't say it's not true.

This is a very serious allegation. As a woman who is suppose to be FOR women. And that's the one she didn't defend?

Why does this 12 yr old rape victim feel aggrieve by Hillary?

She is angry because her attacker got off with a plea deal rather than being convicted of rape. In the process, she had to have a psychiatric examination, which would have been humiliating for her. If I was the woman, I would be pissed with Hillary too. It would be strange for a victim to not be pissed at the lawyer who defended her attacker, even if he had been convicted of rape.


Clinton was a legal aid lawyer at the time. The defendant requested a woman lawyer, so Clinton was assigned the case.

Hillary says, and this was verified by the prosecutor on the case, that she asked to be removed saying “I don’t want to represent this guy. I just can’t stand this. I don’t want to get involved. Can you get me off?” But the judge ordered her to stay on the case. If she had refused, she could have been censured or disbarred.

During the case, she asked for a psychiatric examination of the victim, because the defendant told her that the victim was emotionally unstable and had accused people of similar things before. At that point she was legally obligated to follow up on that. In arguing for the examination, Clinton cited a study by a child psychologist that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant’s, are even more prone to such behavior".

She didn't say that the victim was doing any of those things. She said that studies had shown that children in situations like the victim's tended to do that, and that there needed to be a psychiatric examination to determine whether or not that was the case.

Later Clinton showed in court that the evidence used against the defendant had been mishandled and was not sufficient to be used against him. Rather than continue on with the case with the possibility of having it dismissed for lack of evidence, the prosecutor offered a plea deal.

A few years later Clinton was being interviewed about the case, and she was specifically discussing the events that led to a plea deal rather than conviction for rape. In three instances she laughs, about things that were screw ups in the case, not about anything to do with the victim at all. In fact one of the things that she laughs about was the fact that her client passed a polygraph test, which destroyed any faith she ever had in polygraphs. The other things were about things the prosecution had done trying to get a conviction which were obvious blunders on their part.

Honestly, it sounds to me like there was a chance she could have gotten him acquitted, especially in that day and age.

Do I feel that she was inappropriate with the laughter? I don't know, it was years later, she was recounting screw-ups that other people did, and gave short little laughs after each one. I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same in the same circumstances of the interview. But she was not talking about the victim or anything to do with the victim herself when that happened.

I read several articles on it, and this one seemed to be the most reliable and comprehensive.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/



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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 7:23:53 AM   
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Here it comes....


breaking news?

Donald Trump hinted at how nasty the debate could get: He held a news conference with women who accused Bill Clinton of sex abuse.
Sunday, October 9, 2016 7:56 PM EDT
Shortly before the debate, Mr. Trump held a brief news conference in St. Louis with three women — Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, and Kathleen Willey — who allege that Mr. Clinton sexually assaulted or harassed them.
They were joined by a fourth woman, Kathy Shelton, who was 12 when she was raped by a 41-year-old in Arkansas; Hillary Clinton represented the man, who ultimately plead guilty to a reduced charge.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/09/us/elections/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-debate.html?emc=edit_na_20161009&nlid=69606674&ref=cta


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Its not like Americans were asleep when Bill was in office or didnt hear the news back in the day.. So now Trump has done his worst, he has blown the only wad he had and now he is outta shite to throw at her.. and imo all eyes are still on him & watching him sink in quicksand of his own creation, his supporters that continue to defend him look like stupid idiots.. gawd, i saw Guilliani on tv after the dbate and i almost barfed, it was so sickening..

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 7:44:45 AM   
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So far, Trump is doing a good job!

And the moderators is sooo bias, every time Trump attacks Clinton, the moderator says, "Let's move on!" WTF? And whenever Clinton Attacks Trump, they don't interrupt her!

Interesting that a poll of the debate shows Hillary at 57% and Trump at 34%.
Hillary got it won by a big margin over Trump.

I watched it all and I didn't see Trump doing much at all except to throw the shit at the wall at every opportunity.

The poll reflects much of my own views of the debate.
Not that I like either of them.


ETA: if you think losing by 23% to your opponent is 'doing a good job', I'd hate to think what a bad job is!

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 8:03:14 AM   
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ETA: if you think losing by 23% to your opponent is 'doing a good job', I'd hate to think what a bad job is!

Declaring bankruptcy, perhaps?

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 8:37:09 AM   
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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 9:00:15 AM   
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ah, yes,.. more Trump flip-flops, more words to bite him in the arse.. why these women allowed themselves to be trotted out & exploited by someone like that is beyond me..

"But in 1998, the candidate held a slightly different view of Clinton's accusers. In an interview with CNBC that year, he called Paula Jones a "loser." In a later interview with Fox News' Neil Caputo, Trump even went to far as to call Clinton a "victim" of his accusers.

"I don't necessarily agree with his victims," Trump said. "His victims are terrible. He is, he is really a victim himself. But he put himself in that position."

In the same interview, Trump further went onto argue that some of Clinton's accusers were "unattractive."

"These people are just, I don't know, where he met them - where he found them," Trump said. "But the whole group — it's truly an unattractive cast of characters. Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, I mean, this woman, I watch her on television. She is so bad. The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it's just a really unattractive group. I'm not just talking about physical.""


http://mashable.com/2016/10/09/donald-trump-called-clinton-victim-accusers/?utm_campaign=Mash-BD-Synd-Yahoo-Watercooler-Full&utm_cid=Mash-BD-Synd-Yahoo-Watercooler-Full#dieqcWjexqqg

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 12:31:24 PM   
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Just my two cents..
Trump did really well, he didnt totally shit on his shoes, but Hills was holding back. hard.
He was himself, but he managed to keep himself in check enough to get thru 90 minutes.
his actual responses were horrendous, his attacks really sad, He still didnt clarify anything about what he is actually going to change, apart from what has been tried before. or what is working now(vetting)
He slunk around like a gelded predator, but Hils just sat there, im pretty sure at one point she decided just to let him get on with it.
THe theatrics were anticlimactic.
Hills didnt take him out, she could have...
He managed to take care of himself...for now. He managed to stem the tide of his campaign bleeding out.
But that was his handlers training, not him.



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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 12:38:02 PM   
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The reference to training just conjured up an image of his handlers filling their pockets with bribes to try to use positive reinforcement to stop him acting a twat for an hour and a half.
Which begs the question of what sort of treat one uses to reward a circus peanut...


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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 1:34:09 PM   
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Well he whinged that they took his tweeter away. He was quiet all night too, maybe they got the dosing right this time.
Maybe they offered him a night of all the taco bowls and KFC he could eat?
Damn it must be like looking after a petulant two year old.



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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 1:39:26 PM   
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Just my two cents..
Trump did really well, he didnt totally shit on his shoes, but Hills was holding back. hard.
He was himself, but he managed to keep himself in check enough to get thru 90 minutes.
his actual responses were horrendous, his attacks really sad, He still didnt clarify anything about what he is actually going to change, apart from what has been tried before. or what is working now(vetting)
He slunk around like a gelded predator, but Hils just sat there, im pretty sure at one point she decided just to let him get on with it.
THe theatrics were anticlimactic.
Hills didnt take him out, she could have...
He managed to take care of himself...for now. He managed to stem the tide of his campaign bleeding out.
But that was his handlers training, not him.



Agreed.

The question now is, was it enough? Will all these Republicans that have condemned him these last 3 days walk back on that? What are the consequences if they did or didn't?

AND, anyone want to start a pool on what the next nail in the coffin will be? His tax returns will get hacked and published? More women coming forward? His pants catching on fire?

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 2:21:27 PM   
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I think they will maybe not walk it back, but they wont be quitting in droves, until the next embarrassment. Dependig on what it turns out to be.
There are more tapes, wether they be from what you mentioned earlier or more explosive is just a matter of time.Financials, more screwing around with chinese steel
He wants her in jail so bad, but he is delusional about the special prosecutor hard on he displayed.
We already know his bravado is egg shell thin


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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 2:27:26 PM   
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Kelly ann Conway sounded like she got thru a ten hour life saving brain operation this morning.


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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 2:29:07 PM   
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I think they will maybe not walk it back, but they wont be quitting in droves, until the next embarrassment. Dependig on what it turns out to be.
There are more tapes, wether they be from what you mentioned earlier or more explosive is just a matter of time.Financials, more screwing around with chinese steel
He wants her in jail so bad, but he is delusional about the special prosecutor hard on he displayed.
We already know his bravado is egg shell thin


Speculation is that Hillary held back to make sure that Donald stayed on the ticket and that the RNC didn't replace him with Pence. She would probably still win, but there would be more uncertainty then.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-pulled-back-kill-shot-145130698.html


oh, and now the House Ethics Committee Chairman is calling on the RNC to oust Trump, for the good of the Party
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/cd808cc3-164a-3e2f-a877-378db2f86bb2/ss_ethics-chairman-calls-on.html

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 2:38:49 PM   
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I think they will maybe not walk it back, but they wont be quitting in droves, until the next embarrassment. Dependig on what it turns out to be.
There are more tapes, wether they be from what you mentioned earlier or more explosive is just a matter of time.Financials, more screwing around with chinese steel
He wants her in jail so bad, but he is delusional about the special prosecutor hard on he displayed.
We already know his bravado is egg shell thin


Speculation is that Hillary held back to make sure that Donald stayed on the ticket and that the RNC didn't replace him with Pence. She would probably still win, but there would be more uncertainty then.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-pulled-back-kill-shot-145130698.html


oh, and now the House Ethics Committee Chairman is calling on the RNC to oust Trump, for the good of the Party
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/cd808cc3-164a-3e2f-a877-378db2f86bb2/ss_ethics-chairman-calls-on.html


You could see she was holding it back...I cant disagree, she could have finished him easily.
There is a reason she didnt,
Thanks for the link to the ethics committe link, but I dont think the RNC can do much now. And even if they did manage to find a way to get rid of him, the fallout would be suicidal. His Demento bots are ready to jump at his word,
Trump is playing the RNC just like hes done with his base

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 4:36:11 PM   
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Speculation is that Hillary held back to make sure that Donald stayed on the ticket and that the RNC didn't replace him with Pence. She would probably still win, but there would be more uncertainty then.

Maybe she just held back because she was worried he might grope her crotch if she got him upset?

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 4:39:48 PM   
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Speculation is that Hillary held back to make sure that Donald stayed on the ticket and that the RNC didn't replace him with Pence. She would probably still win, but there would be more uncertainty then.

Maybe she just held back because she was worried he might grope her crotch if she got him upset?

I think she was looking for him to get assaulty but his creeping around like nosferatu wasnt helpful to him


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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 4:44:17 PM   
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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 6:09:44 PM   
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I don't think either of them will make even adequate presidents, but I seriously just can't stand Hilary, which pisses me off as I would love to see a woman president. To me, there is nothing Trump has done or said that has me disliking him. tired of all the crap people think is important -- on both sides, but I really just wish they would try and win on what THEY can do for this country, not what's bad about the other person.

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RE: Debate...Pre and Post - 10/10/2016 6:18:11 PM   
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And now Trump is saying that if anyone else leaks vulgar tapes of him he will continue the attacks against Hillary through
Bill's history.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-threatens-clinton-attacks-tapes-229566

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