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dcnovice -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/15/2016 2:09:27 PM)

FR

If the latest groping/kissing allegations against Trump hold up – and I assume they will, based on quantity if not credibility – it won’t matter what Wikileaks says about Clinton. She will win easily.

Scott Adams, 10.13.16

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151737656851/the-era-of-women





Lucylastic -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/15/2016 2:29:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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A radio series on next month's clusterfuck by the comedian Rich Hall is being trailered with the line: "Will America elect its first female President, or its last President, ever?"


He is living in the UK now isn't he? Ive seen him a lot on brit tv




tamaka -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/15/2016 2:41:44 PM)

To think that it is any one individual charting the course of our country seems rather naive to me. Do you really think it matters what one person thinks? The President is not a King or a Queen. They are simply the figurehead of a political machine operating behind the scenes. It's almost like... what cartoon figure or emoji do you think the people want to watch for the next few years.




Lucylastic -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/15/2016 2:54:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

To think that it is any one individual charting the course of our country seems rather naive to me. Do you really think it matters what one person thinks? The President is not a King or a Queen. They are simply the figurehead of a political machine operating behind the scenes. It's almost like... what cartoon figure or emoji do you think the people want to watch for the next few years.


Im sorry I dont think its one person, Im not sure where you got that from. apart from the fact that you are new to the forum.
Im not blaming trump
Racism, sexism, anti muslim feeling, rape, sexual assault, lying, manipulating, propaganda have been around forever, You must think Im a complete dipshit to consider that I dont understand the way reality actually is.

But trump is going to be sadly mistaken when he finds out he CANT do what HE wants. HIs base are going to be furious.
Im neither condoning or ignorant of the "Clinton machine" and its power. I also aware of corruption and the way the world works.
Plenty of dems, liberals, and the not trump people are angry too and with damn good reason.

I would be offended, but strangely, Im smiling.
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tamaka -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/15/2016 3:07:43 PM)

Oh geeze... sorry Lucy... i was actually referring to the blog.dilbert.com thing above where he says something to the effect that everything that goes wrong will be a woman's fault if Hillary gets elected. I just hit the reply button and wasn't paying attention to the 'In reply to' factor. Sorry about that!

Good point you made though about Trump's base not realizing or considering that he wouldn't be able to just go in and do whatever he wants even if he did get elected. Maybe someone needs to remind everyone that the President doesn't have absolute power.




Lucylastic -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/15/2016 3:12:11 PM)

No worries Tamaka:) thank you.




WhoreMods -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/16/2016 4:36:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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A radio series on next month's clusterfuck by the comedian Rich Hall is being trailered with the line: "Will America elect its first female President, or its last President, ever?"


He is living in the UK now isn't he? Ive seen him a lot on brit tv

He splits his time between the UK and the 'States at the moment. I remember he was on about that the time I saw him live. He does seem to do a lot more media over here though, as you say. He's done a flurry of (rather good) documentaries about American for the Beeb digital channels. Weird situation where they've got the BBC having an American comic make those for a British audience, really. You'd think there'd be an audience for that stuff in the 'States as well.




Lucylastic -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/16/2016 4:49:11 AM)

I think the first time I saw him was on QI.will have to check out some of his stuff.




WhoreMods -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/16/2016 5:23:33 AM)

The documentaries (which I'm sure will be on iplayer) are definitely worth a look.




Lucylastic -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/16/2016 5:35:09 AM)

I dont use that, but Iwill l ook:)




WhoreMods -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/16/2016 5:58:36 AM)

He's particularly good on westerns, iirc.




Lucylastic -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/16/2016 6:09:59 AM)

Isnt he a Texan?




WhoreMods -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/16/2016 7:38:24 AM)

I think he's from somewhere else in the southwest, but I'm not sure where that is.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/18/2016 1:32:08 PM)

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You're going to keep going on without acknowledging there are non-white people who support the GOP?

I will acknowledge it but they are an insignificant quantity and purposefully so due to election strategies employed by the GOP. Will you continue to believe it is not so?


Are you claiming that the GOP wants to have a small contingent of minorities?

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How would it not be sustainable?!? The Fed is one of the worst ills bestowed on this Country by our Government. The Fed is complicit (not necessarily even intentionally) almost every single one of our recessions. The very organization that was supposed to give us a smoother economy is actually part of the reason it's been a roller coaster. We don't need The Fed to increase the money supply.

On this we agree, but let's not forget there were boom/bust cycles before 1913. JP Morgan and his merry men devised a scheme to make the Federal Government the "lender of last resort."


We certainly did have them, but they weren't caused by a quasi-government organization.

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We will need growth in the money supply to accommodate a growing population and a growing economy. Otherwise, money will become "relatively" scarce and inflationary, won’t it? But, when the Fed lowers interest rates to zero and prints money (qualitative easing) to support banks and corporations, labor and retirees get into trouble.
The Fed dropped the discount rate precipitously in the last half of 2007 before the recession and has held them at near zero ever since. The flood of money has kept the economy from falling into a deep recession perhaps but much of it has been sucked up into nonproductive wealth (stock prices) Again, jmo. People who have a mortgage above the water line have been able to refinance but people wishing to retire are deprived of a source of bond and CD income unless they take on greater risk, which is a problem if you are past your working years.


I think one of the best things that could have happened was a deep recession, or even a depression, so long as the market was allowed to correct itself. It would have been horrible. But, once we got through it (and, we would have), we'd have been on much better standing, imo.

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[Why do we have trade imbalances? Perhaps that's because we have consumption imbalances? Nah, that couldn't be it!]

A contrary opinion about trade imbalances:
How can the world’s most prosperous economy also be its most sputtering? It can’t, and it isn’t. What the measure of balance of trade fails to take into account is that every export, and every import, is exchanged for something with an exact dollar value: dollars!

That sounds facile, but it isn’t. A large trade deficit means that that nation’s citizens are so wealthy that they can afford to purchase what other nations have to offer. In that respect, it isn’t necessarily desirable nor even fair to compare exports to imports, let alone to consider them to be two sides of the same coin. Besides, as large as American imports are, the United States still exports more than any country, except China. The world wants what we’re selling. And vice-versa. This is something to be commended, not criticized. A trade deficit merely means that as much of our homemade stuff that other countries want, we want even more of theirs.

SOURCE


I'd have to agree with that.

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Since 1913, our money supply has grown to the point where the value of our current dollar is but a small fraction of the value of the 1913 dollar.

But don't you ignore that growth in the price of goods and services has kept pace? Can you not buy a suit or a house with the same percentage of income today as then?


I'm going to go with a "probably not" answer on that one, Vincent.

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What I think is the important part is that The Fed is largely uncontrolled, unchecked, and unsupervised by the Federal Government. I do believe that the Federal Government has been remiss in their duties to the American People in this respect.

Here we have a conundrum. There was no central bank in 1907 when a great bank panic occurred. (This lead to the banker meeting on Jekyll Island in 1913) Liquidity dried up due to actions of banks involved in a stock scheme. So, now we have a central bank of academicians, technicians and bankers who manipulate the money supply. A centralized money supply is a top down device. Granted it is not a centralized economy but neither is the money supply subject to market forces. The bankers and academicians may not be accountable. But, I would not wish to trust the politicians in Congress. I have no answer on this.


At least if the politicians were in control, we'd have a mechanism to get rid of them.

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Again, disagreeing with your original point, political and economic ideologies may look good on paper but they only turn into clusterfucks in real life.


We will continue to disagree. Shall we agree to disagree on this, or just continue to disagree without agreeing about it?




vincentML -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (10/19/2016 6:32:15 AM)

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We will continue to disagree. Shall we agree to disagree on this, or just continue to disagree without agreeing about it?

Yeah, agreed. No need to carry on. [:D]




BoscoX -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (1/27/2017 5:30:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

As leading Republicans continue to dissociate themselves from their Presidential candidate Trump, the party seems certain to lose the White House for another 4 years. Nate Silver's highly regarded 538 site rates a Clinton victory as 84% probable. At this stage no one knows how damage much the Trump effect will do to the GOP's grip on both houses of Congress but losing control of the Senate, at a minimum, seems likely.

Behind the public facade, the differing elements that make up the GOP old style conservatives, Evangelical Christians, hard right nationalists (inc. a considerable racist xenophobic core), neo cons and so on are at war with each other over the future direction and control of the party. Trump's demise is opening the cracks in that facade and threaten to split it wide open. At this point it seems difficult to believe that the recriminations following the Trump disaster will be resolved without a serious realignment of forces on the Right.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-this-what-it-looks-like-when-a-party-falls-apart/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

Can the GOP survive the electoral losses and internal warfare? Is coalition between the various factions no longer tenable? Will the party split between its moderate and radical wings? Is there a future for the GOP as currently constituted or is it time for a radical realignment of political forces on the Right?


I love reading these old threads.

I especially love reading them with the same people in mind, who are making similar predictions today. "How long until the president is impeached. A day? Two days? I am betting less than fifteen minutes from now, we will have a new president and the GOP will be finished as a party."

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bounty44 -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (1/27/2017 6:05:25 PM)

there was this from mnottertroll:

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LOL, the nutsuckers shitting their frothy pants as they face the reality the nutsuckers are imploding and Trump will not be elected to even the office of KFC toiletlicker.


ive said before---someone should be collecting all this hysteria to play back in a few years.




BoscoX -> RE: Is it over for the GOP? (1/27/2017 6:12:39 PM)

Imagine a soap opera-type melodramatic voiceover reading these lines at the end of a 1960's soap:

"Can the GOP survive the electoral losses and internal warfare? Is coalition between the various factions no longer tenable? Will the party split between its moderate and radical wings? Is there a future for the GOP as currently constituted or is it time for a radical realignment of political forces on the Right?

What the fuck drugs are those people doing




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