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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 9:35:10 AM

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its the monopoly they want however, the problem-synthesis-solution dialectic. Look at the bogus 'manmade' global warming debacle, they are making billions on that one.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 9:48:09 AM

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problem-synthesis-solution dialectic wtf does that mean, you swallowed a gobbledegook dictionary or something. I had a thesaurus and pterodactyl for dinner, or was that chicken, and, I caution ether huffing is not for everyone.

I see creature is getting slabbered (trounced) in the polls now, 49%-40%.

I fear his impeachable character is at a low ebb but postulate he could recover if he donates all his debt to the poor and wretched.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 9:51:02 AM

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"You keep saying this, and you keep failing to back it up. "

Haven't you been watching her for the last few years ?

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 10:24:26 AM

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"You keep saying this, and you keep failing to back it up. "

Haven't you been watching her for the last few years ?

T^T

Yes, I have.
And that isn't a defence of your still entirely unsubstantiated argument.
But go on: why is having Putin's bitch running your country going to be better than having somebody who won't drop to their knees the second he snaps his fingers?

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 10:28:46 AM

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problem-synthesis-solution dialectic wtf does that mean

it means you are a gubmint owned slave and proud of it. LOL

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 10:58:45 AM

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There are two factors that favor Clinton that haven't been mentioned.

1. There's a third party candidate, Evan something. He's a Mormon. The Mormons are traditionally Republicans, but are disgusted with Trump's womanizing, crudity, etc. I could see Utah and Idaho going for him.

2. Hillary has a solid GOTV effort underway. Trump chose to use RNCC for his field operations, and they're quietly using their resources for other campaigns than the presidential one.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 11:05:55 AM

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1. There's a third party candidate, Evan something. He's a Mormon. The Mormons are traditionally Republicans, but are disgusted with Trump's womanizing, crudity, etc. I could see Utah and Idaho going for him.

That's interesting, as the only third party candidate who's warranted a mention over here so far is Johnson. Does he have much of a profile on that side of the Atlantic, as I think this is the first time he's warranted a mention in the Dungeon (at least in relation to the Presidency)? Certainly I couldn't see Mormons voting for the circus peanut, as even were he not ideologically unsound from a Mormon perspective over his behaviour, he owns casinos, and the Mormons are very down on gambling, aren't they?

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 11:10:48 AM

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For anyone who thinks Trump wont win, I have one word for you - Brexit.

I have the funny feeling he would have to shoot someone or actually eat a baby live on TV for his support to drop below the magic 40%.

And we know that polls always underestimate how well populists do in elections.

The Brexit that the polls were predicting would happen, hence the mad panic among the UK's left leaning papers* in the run up to the referendum, you mean?

*(All fookin' three of them. "Left leaning media" my hairy white arse...)

Were you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

The "establishment" in the UK on both the left and right didn't really believe it would happen, just like the US political establishment thinks Trump wont be elected.

I wasn't making a left or a right wing point. Those politicians who were on the Brexit side of the debate specifically derided what they regarded as the establishment for being almost smug in their assumption that the people wouldn't vote for Brexit.

The Brexit vote was far too close to call. Hell if there had been an outbreak of flu the result might have been different.

As for the press in Britain, you know fine well that the xenophobic little Englander press supported Brexit, while a couple of broadsheets didn't. That is not to say that those who voted for Brexit were little Englanders because, as you know the relationship between the UK press and British public opinion is a bit tenuous at best. Rupert after all follows his own path.

All across Labour's heartlands (except for Scotland and the larger cities) people voted for Brexit, hardly surprising when the Labour party was almost silent because Corbyn has opposed the EU all of his political life. Cameron called the election thinking the majority of conservatives would vote to stay. Wrong again.

The point stands. The "establishment" ended up with a result they did not expect and had the rug pulled from under their feet.

I have a nasty suspicion that the same will happen in the US.

Who I wanted to win the EU referendum or the US election is a moot point.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 11:15:28 AM

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I don't remember any polls saying "no it's unthinkable, Britain won't vote to leave", and misread your point as a result of that. I thought you were saying that (as the tiny-handed shitweasel is falling behind in the polls) the fact that the little Englanders won the referendum proved that the polls were unreliable and the voters might well vote the other way. Which is why I found you comparing the orange cockwomble's situation to the Brexit vote puzzling, as most of the polls predicted they'd get their way beforehand.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 11:27:58 AM

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in my opinion if He wins,
he will milk the country clean,
you will end up, even more broke.
Fort Knox will disappear into his pockets,
to pay his debts off.
VOTE CLINTON.

For one, Fort Knox is already short. That's why it is taking Germany years to get theirs back. If you remember when the story was hot you remember they said the gold was leased out. Now they got it all swept under the rug. Somehow they got the Germans to shut up about it.

Second of all, the President can't take gold from Fort Knox and just walk off with it. Even if he "leased" the gold to pay his personal debts, that has to be approved by a bunch of people. He does not directly control the economy. He appoints the head of the fed and a few other things but other than that all he can do is sign or not sign what congress puts in front of him.

The only possible way for him to gain would be to build a golf course for congress only. Where they could go and play without being worried about getting picked off by a sniper, because no matter what happens this economy is going to get alot worse.

And a vote for Clinton is a vote for war. She wants to antagonize Putin, do more intervention over there and she also has the illusion like many USians that the US military is so far ahead of the whole rest of the world they can take everybody all at once. If that is so how come MIGs always seem to outperform US fighters ? How come they got a missile that goes twice as fast and twice as far as anything the US has ? They even THINK about fucking with Russia then Moody's will speak again and you might see ten buck a loaf bread alot sooner. Or at east we will, you don't care.

I can't believe a UKian would want us to vote for war. Not that your kids will die in it, but I though you more civilised than that. Like telling us to execute them both and start over. That would be the most civilised thing to do really.

You must be like Israel, want us to do your dirty work and clean up the middle east, butt that is not forward thinking in the sense that the consequences were not considered. Though with Brrexit you won't have to take the refugees created and dumped all over Europe, you remember what happened to your economy when the US economy crashed ? You want that again ?

T^T

We are all going to have to stand up to Putin at some point.

For the first time in years, maybe in the entire history of Russia, the Russian government increasingly believes that it is free to do whatever it wants anywhere in the world. After all the US and Europe wont lift a finger if they bomb their political opponents in Syria, invade Ukraine or the Baltic Republics, set up military bases in Cuba and the Philippines, the list goes on.

This isn't paranoia - it is happening in front of our eyes.

We can carry on ignoring it and trying to pacify a demagogic despot, who is president of the country with the meanest army in the world. You think a few hundred thousand US dead "won" the Second World War? No it was the several million Russians who died to bleed Hilter to death so that we could finish him off. Oh and by the way their army had nothing like the technology that Hitler or the US had. Just like the Russians are streets behind today - on paper.

What have we learned from history? Apparently nothing.

So we can stand up to Putin now or risk a major war later. Both prospects scare me to death. (Does this remind you in any way of the 1930s just after the last really big banking crash, because it should.) Oh by the way, it's okay for the West because we can win that war. We don't need to defeat the Russian tanks in Europe because we have a superior nuclear weapons arsenal.

That's okay then.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 11:37:28 AM

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I don't remember any polls saying "no it's unthinkable, Britain won't vote to leave", and misread your point as a result of that. I thought you were saying that (as the tiny-handed shitweasel is falling behind in the polls) the fact that the little Englanders won the referendum proved that the polls were unreliable and the voters might well vote the other way. Which is why I found you comparing the orange cockwomble's situation to the Brexit vote puzzling, as most of the polls predicted they'd get their way beforehand.

I entirely get what you are saying. The two situations were not entirely the same.

There were of course polls predicting a Brexit vote, which was slightly different to the current Trump situation.

However the whole thing was on a knife edge so polling was a bit like tossing a coin anyway, and the polls that predicted the vote were however just lucky because, apart from London and Scotland voting to stay in (which was always a given) they completely failed to predict the geographical and social nature of the vote.

That was part of the reason for the incredibly detailed analysis afterwards (not just the "establishment" and the BBC being shocked at the result as was claimed afterwards slightly unkindly).

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 11:40:37 AM

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We failed the same way with our Civil war, we are now cognizant of the red welfare states in our body politic.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 12:07:38 PM

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Gotcha.
As for polls being unreliable, one factor that I think has only been mentioned the once about the circus peanut falling behind in them (I forget by who) is pretty plausible: with the way the sorry little twat's been carrying on for the last year a lot of the people who are planning to vote for him wouldn't dare to admit it in public, or even in private.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 12:09:42 PM

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Gotcha.
As for polls being unreliable, one factor that I think has only been mentioned the once about the circus peanut falling behind in them (I forget by who) is pretty plausible: with the way the sorry little twat's been carrying on for the last year a lot of the people who are planning to vote for him wouldn't dare to admit it in public, or even in private.

I think it is very likely that indeed is a factor.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 12:31:17 PM

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I can't imagine someone like you raising kids that would turn out half as decent as Trump's kids.

If I were to raise children they would definitely not be the "scum sucking pigs" of the trump ilk.

In actuality, Trump didnt raise those kids.. he didnt "get them" until they were over 21 & out of college.. so she raised them to be “very balanced, articulate, and well-educated" kids, then Trump turned them into the "scum sucking pigs" they are today.. They are just as bad as their daddy with the barefaced lies, con games and shite..

“Trump's ex-wife: I raised the kids
"Ivana Trump is taking credit for rearing her three children with ex-husband Donald Trump, saying “I really raised them.”

“I decided on their schooling and everything they did,” Trump, who was married to the GOP presidential front-runner from 1977 until the early '90s, says in an interview this week with The Daily Front Row.

Ivana Trump has three now-grown children with the real estate mogul: Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric Trump.

“When I divorced Donald, the children were like 4, 6, and 8,” Trump tells the fashion publication. “I had full custody, and there was only one cook in the kitchen, which was me.”

The Czech Republic-born former model, 66, says she and Trump were on the same page when it came to discipline.

Donald went along with it, and if I would say ‘no’ to the kids, they would go to their father and say, ‘Daddy, Daddy can we get that and that... ?’ And he would ask, ‘What did mother say?’ They would tell him, ‘Mommy said no,’ so that meant no.”

But after her kids turned 21 and were done with college, Trump says she “gave them” to her ex, telling him, “This is the final product — now it’s your job.”"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/269312-trumps-ex-wife-i-raised-the-kids

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 2:22:15 PM

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We are all going to have to stand up to Putin at some point.

Why? What has he done that has you upset?

For the first time in years, maybe in the entire history of Russia, the Russian government increasingly believes that it is free to do whatever it wants anywhere in the world.

At the end of ww 2 they had the most powerful military in the world and could have taken anything they wanted. Who would have stoped them? They did not so why the fear mongering?

After all the US and Europe wont lift a finger if they bomb their political opponents in Syria,

So what? We bomb our political opponents in the sand box.

invade Ukraine

So what?

or the Baltic Republics,

So what?

set up military bases in Cuba

We have one there. We ring the russians with our bases and missles. Are you aware of the f 35 program?

and the Philippines, the list goes on.

Are we talking about dominoes again? been there done that

This isn't paranoia - it is happening in front of our eyes.

The cold war is over why do you want to start it all over again?

We can carry on ignoring it and trying to pacify a demagogic despot, who is president of the country with the meanest army in the world. You think a few hundred thousand US dead "won" the Second World War?

This seems to sugest that germany lost because it ran out of bullets.

No it was the several million Russians who died to bleed Hilter to death so that we could finish him off.

You havent read much about ww 2 have you?

Oh and by the way their army had nothing like the technology that Hitler or the US had.

The russians had a far superior tank.
The russians had far superior aircraft.

Just like the Russians are streets behind today - on paper.

What have we learned from history? Apparently nothing.

I have learned not to listen to war mongers.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 2:46:19 PM

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Evan as Trump's polling numbers fall through the floor, it seems that he has the rusted on support of 35-40% of the electorate. It seems these people are impervious to Trump's sex scandals, lies, appalling behaviour and gutter-level standards. They seem fact-proofed, more likely to believe in Trump's imaginary view of the world as it revolves around his cock than any reality as you or I might experience it.

For a while this troubled me. I didn't want to believe that some people are that stupid. So I was somewhat comforted to learn that 40% of Trump's fans believe that Hillary Clinton is really a demon (SOURCE). If they really are that gullible and stupid enough to believe that, then that explains an awful lot of things.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/14/2016 3:21:37 PM

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from faux news....latests polls

Likely Voters
10-12 Oct 16
Clinton 45%
Trump 38%
Johnson 7%
Stein 3%

Registered Voters
10-12 Oct 16
Clinton 43%
Trump 36
Johnson 8%
Stein 3%

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/15/2016 12:25:40 AM

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We are all going to have to stand up to Putin at some point.

Why? What has he done that has you upset?

For the first time in years, maybe in the entire history of Russia, the Russian government increasingly believes that it is free to do whatever it wants anywhere in the world.

At the end of ww 2 they had the most powerful military in the world and could have taken anything they wanted. Who would have stoped them? They did not so why the fear mongering?

After all the US and Europe wont lift a finger if they bomb their political opponents in Syria,

So what? We bomb our political opponents in the sand box.

invade Ukraine

So what?

or the Baltic Republics,

So what?

set up military bases in Cuba

We have one there. We ring the russians with our bases and missles. Are you aware of the f 35 program?

and the Philippines, the list goes on.

Are we talking about dominoes again? been there done that

This isn't paranoia - it is happening in front of our eyes.

The cold war is over why do you want to start it all over again?

We can carry on ignoring it and trying to pacify a demagogic despot, who is president of the country with the meanest army in the world. You think a few hundred thousand US dead "won" the Second World War?

This seems to sugest that germany lost because it ran out of bullets.

No it was the several million Russians who died to bleed Hilter to death so that we could finish him off.

You havent read much about ww 2 have you?

Oh and by the way their army had nothing like the technology that Hitler or the US had.

The russians had a far superior tank.
The russians had far superior aircraft.

Just like the Russians are streets behind today - on paper.

What have we learned from history? Apparently nothing.

I have learned not to listen to war mongers.

I am clearly not a war monger. That is why what is happening is of such concern to me.

I am concerned about appeasing Putin. That concern is not some extremist militarist point of view outside the US. It is mainstream thinking in Europe, where the Russian question is more than theoretical.

He is not just a misunderstood kid. He sent an army into the Ukraine and lied about it to his own people while Russian families were getting their kids home in body bags. (Oh and let's not forget the small question of a Malaysian airliner shot down by Russian missiles.) Putin invaded Crimea when the Russians there were under no physical or existential threat. Europe is full of enclaves where people have different national identities to their state's national majority. There are democratic ways of dealing with that - or we can resort to ethnic war like Yugoslavia or invasion like Putin. Three cheers for the democrat Putin!

History is a hugely disputed subject of course and you are free to disagree with me, but a couple of thoughts on the Second World War

- Hitler like Napoleon before him failed in Russia. The Allied invasion of Europe was an impressive military campaign and brought the end of the war far quicker than would have been the case otherwise. The bravery and skill of US armies was central to that campaign. Hilter's ambitions however died in Stalingrad where the Russians demonstrated their incredible capacity to fight and die. Hilter had superior weapons and a better trained army. Russia had its people.

- Russia's military dead in the war at around 10 million and Germany's at over 5 million indicate where the war was fought won and lost. The US lost around 400,000 and UK territories 600,000 despite fighting in Europe, Africa and the Far East. Whatever the undoubted sacrifice of other nations, victory in WW2 was built on the deaths of up to 15% (including non-military deaths) of the Russian population. That is a sacrifice and tragedy most of us can only imagine.

- Russia had an impressive military industrial machine but Russian geography and their lack of clear superiority in terms of hardware led to greater loss of Russian lives.

- At the end of the war Stalin had already managed to urge his armies to unimaginable losses and decided not to fight his own Allies. His Allies pushed their armies right into his face and later supported Berlin, not to antagonise him but because they were afraid of the consequences of appearing weak in the face of a Russian army who they could not defeat.

The Cold War is over, but Putin's Russia is a militarily aggressive nation more than willing to take the US on. He is not the friend of the US or Europe and he is not ever going to be. The stand off in the Cold War was only partly because the USSR had a different form of government to the US, there were far deeper strategic reasons for it.

Getting right back to how this relates to the current election. Putin cannot be appeased. What are we going to do - appeal to his better nature? Fluffy him into submission? He only understands strength and power. Exercising that strength and power takes huge skill because, God forbid (and I do mean that) we cannot afford a war.

The US of course has the option of letting the whole ugly saga play out in Europe, the Middle East, and South East Asia. Perhaps the US can be immune to the effects, perhaps not. Perhaps the potential re-emergence of Russian military bases in Cuba, which are being discussed right now, will be no cause for concern. Letting Putin do his stuff is a big gamble. He is the one with the all the moves and self-confidence right now.

For what it's worth, I am a dove and not a hawk and all my instincts are pacifist. It is because of those instincts that I hold the views that I do.

Appeasement however is an ugly sin, and one that led to the deaths of countless millions in the last century.

While we're all getting our knickers in a twist about whether Trump is a misogynist and a sexual abuser, his frankly dangerous foreign policy instincts are slowly going under the radar.

What Trump does at home is the business of US citizens.

The hell the brain dead fuck could unleash on the rest of the world by giving permission to Putin's Russia is everyone's business.

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RE: Latest Election Polls 2016 - 10/15/2016 2:40:25 AM

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yeh and thats the problem with the mentality in this country, people look for leaders and of course leaders dictate, instead looking for administrators to administer the business 'we' dictate. At least we still have the label to fall back upon.

So you think Trump is more of an administrator? He strikes you as a team player who will humbly go about his business and carefully consider the opinions of the people and their representatives?

If anything, the Trump phenomenon has proven that people are idiots who don't deserve democracy.

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