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Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:13:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Well, I'm afraid you've got a problem there because women are more abusive than men I'm afraid you have a denial problem there. The stats don't support you. [:-] Actually they do. We have multiple decades of domestic violence statistics and the conclusions you can draw from them are inescapable. Women are just as violent as men, if not more so, and are arrested, convicted and incarcerated at far lower rates for exactly the same domestic violence crimes.

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:16:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Could you explain what you mean here? The mythical gender wage gap is a product of lifestyle choices. Women work fewer hours than men, invest less time in their careers, choose conditions over pay ,take fewer risks and die on the job at 5% of the rate that men do. For women as a group to achieve pay parity, they'd have to be paid a higher hourly rate for exactly the same job, have wage increases automatically awarded regardless of performance or negotiating ability, see risky jobs paid at the same rate as risk-free jobs and mandate a standard set of conditions which cannot be varied. This is never going to happen. So bandying about conspiracy theories is rather pointless.

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:17:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I posted the arrest figures for violent crime from the FBI with much the same gap FD.. here are this is the FBI figures for 2015. [image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/colllar/bysexcrimerates.jpg[/image] And those figures are pointless because most female perpetrators are never arrested in the first place.

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:19:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I posted the arrest figures for violent crime from the FBI with much the same gap FD.. here are this is the FBI figures for 2015. Ah, thanks, Lucy. Yes, those figures are not counterintuitive. I wonder if, say, a woman coming up to one and kissing one's cheek unexpectedly and without express permission and consent is included in those 'other assault' figures? If not, it should be. Very traumatic. That would be "forced kissing" which you feminist nutbags claim as "sexual assault".

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:20:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Son, I don't hate men, I just despise weak-minded pussies. If you fall into that group and are all butt-hurt about it, go tell a feminist and see if she cares. Five bucks says she won't. Weak men like yourself are useful to feminists - but you're not loved or respected. Ye Gods, son - haven't you been paying attention? Yes, Grandad, you do hate men. You've shown it every time you've posted - you can't even stop yourself hating men. (And women - but that's another story.) You couldn't even stop yourself giving me yet more evidence of it in this, your last post. You are a sociopathic troll, Awareness. And, as previously mentioned: you are a fruitcake. Get yourself some tissues and bawl your eyes out, you fucking pussy.

Lucylastic -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:21:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I posted the arrest figures for violent crime from the FBI with much the same gap FD.. here are this is the FBI figures for 2015. [image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/colllar/bysexcrimerates.jpg[/image] And those figures are pointless because most female perpetrators are never arrested in the first place. Cite?

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:27:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "Since the 1960's it's been illegal to pay women a lower hourly rate. Women earn less because they do less. " Do you realize in how few cases that is true ? We know it's true because the amount of hours worked by men and women is vastly different. When you have one group working long hours and another group working short hours, the group working long hours is going to take home more money. It's called fucking math. quote: Physically, usually they cannot do as much hard physical labor. The local bricklayers union is crying for female applicants and the companies know it. Years ago they sponsored in a friend of mine, and she used to play football, yet could not physically handle the job. She became an electrician instead. If you're talking about carrying bricks, yeah - a woman's not going to be as productive as a man. On a performance-based job, that's going to translate into a lower hourly rate. quote: But even with the disparity in physical strength there is still another difference. They do not negotiate as well. It's not just that - women are less prepared to take risks. And taking risks is one of the prime mechanisms by which gains are made. quote: And about it being illegal since the 1960s, that means nothing. Twp guys could have the same job and the one with more experience or better performance will get paid more if he has the moxy to make them pay. A company can say anything about the quality or quantity of work anyone is putting out and explain a pay discrepancy without a problem. They could, but if a woman can demonstrate the justification is false, then she has a case. Just because a woman IS being paid less doesn't mean it's because she's a woman. It can also be because she has a lower level of experience, is a poor negotiator or is just plain terrible at her job. quote: So when you are talking like in an office, how do you enforce that ? How does one find out exactly how much work and of what quality a male worker produces while supposedly doing her job ? She wouldn't have time to work. Exactly. I worked for a time in government and the pay rates and increases were explicitly mandated according to very specific rules. Your raise was largely determined by the amount available to be spread across the entire workforce. Which generally meant that most people got 1.5%. If you wanted more, you left and went to work for private enterprise.

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:28:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I posted the arrest figures for violent crime from the FBI with much the same gap FD.. here are this is the FBI figures for 2015. [image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/colllar/bysexcrimerates.jpg[/image] And those figures are pointless because most female perpetrators are never arrested in the first place. Cite? Do your own fucking research. Start by looking at who gets arrested in a domestic violence altercation and the criteria used to determine who to arrest.

Lucylastic -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:42:28 PM)
LMFAO oh dear oh dear YOU are the one claiming the bullshit, back it up. We are talking violence, not Just domestic violence or would you like to change goalposts again. PS as far as I know, the police, more and more are more likely to look at the "victim" assault evidence and arrest both if both have marks. Oh and this goes back as far as the early 80s. I was going to be arrested for slashing my ex with a knife, he told them I had got a knife and slashed him, he had marks on his arm, but it was a tear from my steel heels as he was trying to kick me in the head. Anecdotal evidence, but the evidence didnbt balance out, and as I was in the hospital with a cracked skull, and broken ribs, they questioned me from my bed. I did get the, "Oh she will drop the charges cos shes in love" He got three years

PeonForHer -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:47:52 PM)
quote: Oh my God, call him Grandad again. That actually kind of turns me on. :) Just for you, Kaliko! [:D] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC5fqzKxau8

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:51:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen A very quick reply. http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/children/childabuse/women-more-violent-and-controlling-than-men-various-studies-find/2366/ Versus this: "The overwhelming majority of acts of domestic violence and sexual assault are perpetrated by men against women, and this violence is likely to have more severe impacts on female than male victims." http://www.ourwatch.org.au/Understanding-Violence/Facts-and-figures Something to be sorted out re this apparent conflict of stats, I think. Here's your answer Peon... RM's cite is a complete and utter strawman. Taken from his site: "Women were also shown to engage in greater levels of controlling behavior, which is understood to be a predictor of physical aggression in both sexes.". He doesn't show actual stats - just a behavioural trait. But also note, it says "Women were also shown to engage in greater levels of controlling behavior" which to me shows a perfect example of why women are actually LESS likely to be violent - they control it better than men!! And also note, the whole debacle was taken from a sample of just 1104 students (706 women and 398 men). Also note, nearly twice as many females as males in the 'study'. Biased much?? Pure crap and skewed results from a gender-biased and overtly small sample base. I'll stick with real crime stats thanks.

PeonForHer -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 6:55:47 PM)
OK, FD. Ta. Don't worry, though. I know fruitcakery when I see it. Dear god this is too easy ....

Lucylastic -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 7:04:38 PM)
Just to note, I am condemning child abuse from either parent or partner. Historically and I believe its true a majority of the time in the 21st century. Given that parenting is mostly done by WOMEN time wise, the fact that women have more charges made against them doesnt surprise me...a huge number of people have parental issues. Spare the rod and spoil the child dontcha know.

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 7:32:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Here's your answer Peon... RM's cite is a complete and utter strawman. No, you're just too dumb to comprehend it. quote: Taken from his site: "Women were also shown to engage in greater levels of controlling behavior, which is understood to be a predictor of physical aggression in both sexes.". He doesn't show actual stats - just a behavioural trait. But also note, it says "Women were also shown to engage in greater levels of controlling behavior" which to me shows a perfect example of why women are actually LESS likely to be violent - they control it better than men!! You're confusing controlling behaviour with self-control. These two - aside from having the letters CONTROL in them - are completely unlike. Clearly you're a somewhat simple thinker who is unable to understand this. quote: And also note, the whole debacle was taken from a sample of just 1104 students (706 women and 398 men). Also note, nearly twice as many females as males in the 'study'. Biased much?? Pure crap and skewed results from a gender-biased and overtly small sample base. When they report RATES you fucking moron, the distribution of genders is not relevant. quote: I'll stick with real crime stats thanks. As has been pointed out - the vast majority of female offenders are not arrested, not convicted and not incarcerated. So "real" crime stats reflect the inherent anti-male bias in the criminal justice system. This discussion is too high level for you. Stick to something you're good at. Like finger painting.

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 7:36:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LMFAO oh dear oh dear YOU are the one claiming the bullshit, back it up. We are talking violence, not Just domestic violence or would you like to change goalposts again. No, you're not talking violence. You're talking arrests. That's an implicitly biased data set. Look, if your argument was remotely credible, you wouldn't have to use bad data to try and support it. The fact that you use data sources which are unreliable speaks volumes about the faith you have in your own argument. quote: PS as far as I know, the police, more and more are more likely to look at the "victim" assault evidence and arrest both if both have marks. Oh and this goes back as far as the early 80s. No. Wrong. quote: I was going to be arrested for slashing my ex with a knife, he told them I had got a knife and slashed him, he had marks on his arm, but it was a tear from my steel heels as he was trying to kick me in the head. Anecdotal evidence, but the evidence didnbt balance out, and as I was in the hospital with a cracked skull, and broken ribs, they questioned me from my bed. I did get the, "Oh she will drop the charges cos shes in love" He got three years So the cops believed the woman. As they do. All the fucking time. Yeah, REAL reliable.

Lucylastic -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 7:40:04 PM)
his blood was on my heel you ignoranus oh and a witness male.....

Awareness -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 7:59:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic his blood was on my heel you ignoranus oh and a witness male..... So even with clear evidence that you assaulted him, he was arrested. So, funny story. The 1994 passage of the Violence Against Women Act instituted mandatory arrests in the case of intimate partner violence. In the state of California, arrests of men increased by 37%, whereas arrests of women increased by 446% (because women are also guilty of intimate partner violence). So what happened? Well, the feminist lobby was outraged. Equality!?!?!? We can't have that! Society is supposed to continually make things BETTER for women, not hold them accountable for their actions! So they lobbied and lobbied and all of a sudden the re-authorisation of VAWA in 2005 saw a shift toward what is known as pro-arrest with the introduction of "predominant aggressor" criteria. That's code for THE GUY. It basically means that if an altercation occurs and a woman slaps or injures her partner, HE gets arrested. So you'll just have to excuse me if I find your dependence upon arrest statistics - which are the product of anti-male arrest policies - to be more than a little suspect.

respectmen -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 8:06:11 PM)
http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/07/attack-of-the-killer-dykes/ Another couple good links that provide food for thought. When we have research like this that exist, its telling the violent women aren't a rare thing and there's definitely no shortage of violent women. In other words, violent women aren't just a small existence. So then, why is it always hand waved as irrelevant while making violent men the only side worth considered and the only part of the issue worth forcing kids to learn? That's not equality, that's female favoritism.

Lucylastic -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 8:19:03 PM)
Well mine happened in the uk in 1984. Before I "assaulted" him, he had pushed/kicked/dragged me down the stairs, hit my head on the post three times and was trying to kick me in the face and stomach, i pulled up my legs, grabbed my hair and kicked out as his arm came down for another punch to the head. I would have been arrested if I hadnt been unconscious and in the hospital. He plead guilty, after the blood evidence, the witness statement, and that I was still going ahead with the charges. Regarding your sad distraction, you just claimed bullshit without proof, now you want me to accept your "non proof" and thats not more than a little suspect? its smelling like bullshit,

Lucylastic -> RE: Signs of sanity: Australians outraged over abusive "male privilege" lessons to be taught at schools (10/17/2016 8:20:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/07/attack-of-the-killer-dykes/ Another couple good links that provide food for thought. When we have research like this that exist, its telling the violent women aren't a rare thing and there's definitely no shortage of violent women. In other words, violent women aren't just a small existence. So then, why is it always hand waved as irrelevant while making violent men the only side worth considered and the only part of the issue worth forcing kids to learn? That's not equality, that's female favoritism. Nobody is denying women aren't violent you imbecile. sweet god, READ and comprehend

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