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Termyn8or -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/17/2016 4:52:58 PM)
"When the fuck did conservatives become such a bunch of fucking whiners? " What conservatives ? I see people who claim to be republicans but no real conservatives. They are actually progressives but want to progress a different way. They are owned by different companies T^T

MrRodgers -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/17/2016 5:24:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle In a few of the above posts, the underlying assumption seems to be that the US controls events in the Middle East. This is simply untrue. The US is an influential player in ME politics but it doesn't control or direct events there at all. To achieve that control, the US would need to have boots on the ground to enforce its control. Is this what these posters desire? I don't think so. As has been shown time and time again, once you are sucked into fighting a ground war in the ME, it can be very difficult and time consuming to extricate yourself. There appears to be little appetite in the US for an on the ground intervention. Your current President has wisely avoided getting further entangled in the ME and sought to withdraw US forces from conflicts they had been caught up in. Obama is far more comfortable working through local proxies. This policy is highly regarded in the region and the rest of the world. Except Sunni and Shiite lived together in Iraq until the US got there. It was our govt. who chose to disband the Baathist party, the entire Iraqi military and bureaucracy leaving 1,000's of armed and unemployed men with nothing to do and a brand new demagogue to rouse them against the 'occupier.' It was the US that left according to some, about $1 billion in arms, ammo, Hummers, Toyotas practically with the keys in them for whoever wanted to use them. It was the US that made sure the Kurds weren't going to be a pacifying force. I have the sickening feeling that those who suggest that what we see in the ME now, is just what the neocons planned all along...are correct. Yemen is now in play and the Iranians are involved. Now the US Navy is in a dangerous dance with the Iranian navy. The US helped the Saudis and principals prevent democracy in Bahrain. What could be better for the fear and warmongers than a ME in constant turmoil and also for use as a way to spin that we need more billion$ spent on 'defense' against or rather...an offense to go in. Never mind that our military is still bigger then when Bush started all of this. None of the above is conservative as to be conservative, is to avoid foreign entanglements.

sloguy02246 -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/17/2016 5:56:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: sloguy02246 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: My question is: Isn't it a bit out of the norm for a president in his last 100 days And if he delayed it you would be bitching that he wasn't going after Daesh. The fucker can't win with you guys. Also, why should domestic politics interfere with war strategy, isn't that what went wrong in Vietnam? And also, why the expectation that he will just stop being President because he is in his last 100 days. This may come as something of a shock to you, but the whole world doesn't just tke a break because you guys are changing a President. THANK YOU I am always astounded by the high percentage of unemployed clairvoyants on these boards. Michael If this is incorrect, then would you please explain how? I am sincerely interested, because Dizzy's statements seem exactly on point to how I read your OP. And judging from other posts, we are not the only ones that saw it that way. Maybe his critique was also meant to include the person who started this thread? [8D] You realize that he is the person who started this thread? As you might have noticed by my addition of the sarcasm emoticon at the end of the statement.

Awareness -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/17/2016 8:34:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam I'm employed and agree. You'd be whining if he wasn't taking action because he has (d) after his name. It doesn't matter. He ahs a (D) after his name. When the fuck did conservatives become such a bunch of fucking whiners? Well I can't say for sure, but it sure as shit increased after Mitt Romney and the Koch Brothers failed in their bid to buy the 2012 Presidency.

thompsonx -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/17/2016 8:53:55 PM)
ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Well let me tell you how to have a war. What the phoque do you know about fighting a war? Have you ever been in one? First you bomb the fuck out of them, then you take the troops and they march across the country and kill every Man, Woman, child, dog, cat, whatever moves. You have a rather unrealistic opinion of the ability of the amerikan military. Until they learn that there will be all kinds of problems. If they are all dead who will be left to "learn"? They never wanted to really win. Same with Nam, I knew people who were there. Let me tell you the difference between a fairy tale and a war story: One starts out "once up on a time" the other starts out "now this is no shit"

Termyn8or -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/18/2016 10:22:31 AM)
"What the phoque do you know about fighting a war? Have you ever been in one? " Neither have most people. Unlike those who enlisted, I had a future. "You have a rather unrealistic opinion of the ability of the amerikan military. " Not really. They should not bite off more than they can chew though. "If they are all dead who will be left to "learn"?" i am not talking about the countries the US attacks there. I am talking about the US, the aggressor. If you are going to aggress, do it fucking right. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough, and of course you live to exploit any ambiguity even though you should be able to figure out the meaning from context, like almost everyone else. "They never wanted to really win. Same with Nam, I knew people who were there. " One told me when they layed out the rules of engagement to him he threw his rifle down on the ground. He obviously didn't quite follow them because he had 154 confirmed kills, I saw paperwork. Another told me there was a big mining operation going on, presumably phosphorous. About them not wanting to win, I can believe that. The military and government are really close with the "defense" contractors. They should be called offense contractors because the military has failed to protect this country from every foreign attack since Pearl Harbor, and there are still questions about that. You know they changed their story right ? i fact even all this anti-terrorism shit does not work. They only attacks they seem to prevent are the ones they orchestrate by entrapping some misguided assholes into blowing up a bridge or something. i wish they would try that on me, they would get torn a new asshole, I am talking the media here n shit. You think federal agents are going to allow themselves to be arrested by local officials ? And I'll be the motherfucker with the video of them pulling out their IDs. They did that shit around here recently. But got any bright ideas ? You're great at bitching about things, but do you have any suggestions ? Like who to vote for. And will they be able to avoid getting JFKed or Trafficanted ? T^T

Hillwilliam -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/18/2016 1:50:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "When the fuck did conservatives become such a bunch of fucking whiners? " What conservatives ? I see people who claim to be republicans but no real conservatives. They are actually progressives but want to progress a different way. They are owned by different companies T^T I agree Term

AtUrCervix -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/18/2016 4:36:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr The push is on to re-take Mosul. Should it have happened sooner? Should it happen at all? Those are kind of rhetorical questions. My question is: Isn't it a bit out of the norm for a president in his last 100 days (Kennedy and Lincoln don't count. They didn't know the end was near) to escalate military actions? I don't think we ever should have let it fall to the murdering scumbags of Al Qaeda/ISIS. I just question the timing of this, all of a sudden. Yeah, it's only U.S. air power that's being used but our "allies" wouldn't fart in a wind storm without the say-so of the White House. Michael Flawlessly stated.

thompsonx -> RE: A Curious Time to Go to War (10/19/2016 6:02:05 AM)
ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "What the phoque do you know about fighting a war? Have you ever been in one? " Neither have most people. Many who have bought a ticket for the body bag lotto have pretty good idea how to fight a war. Unlike those who enlisted, I had a future. The future you have bragged of seems to be limited to stealing bicycles, hanging out in bars and fixing broken radios. [bi"You have a rather unrealistic opinion of the ability of the amerikan military. " Not really. They should not bite off more than they can chew though. That seems to have been the case in korea,viet nam,cuba, nicaragua,the sand box ... "If they are all dead who will be left to "learn"?" i am not talking about the countries the US attacks there. I am talking about the US, the aggressor. Aggressor and attacker are the same. If you are going to aggress, do it fucking right. You have admitted that you do not know what you are talking about so how would you know how to do it "fucking right" Maybe I didn't make it clear enough, I am pretty sure I just pointed that out. and of course you live to exploit any ambiguity even though you should be able to figure out the meaning from context, I was never very good at reading the minds of morons. "They never wanted to really win. Same with Nam, I knew people who were there. " One told me when they layed out the rules of engagement to him he threw his rifle down on the ground. That is called insubordination which is a crime in the military and will get you some time in the brig He obviously didn't quite follow them because he had 154 confirmed kills, I saw paperwork. Roflmfao....please do tell us what sort of paperwork you saw. Another told me there was a big mining operation going on, presumably phosphorous. Tin and of course dope

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