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How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms.

30 days

5% (1)

1 year

0% (0)

2-5 years

5% (1)

6-10 years

0% (0)

more than ten years

88% (16)

Total Votes : 18

(last vote on : 10/31/2016 2:01:17 PM)
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Dvr22999874 -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 9:58:29 PM)
you could well be right there Bama..................for a couple of hundred years America has welcomed immigrants from all over the world. Immigrants who saw it as the land of opportunity. Australia was never that popular because it was a hard, harsh country and successive governments were fairly strict on immigration. America on the other hand seemed a great place for other countries to dump their dregs, dross and criminal elements along with the genuine and honest ones and they tended to form communities that thrived and flourished and possibly are doing so to this day. So in there, you have a mix of crims, crazies and downright no-hopers who can all get hold of weapons for their own little agendas. A surefire recipe for trouble I would say.

BamaD -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:01:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Yep,very true lovmuffin and really, it's not that difficult to obtain a firearm of some sort or another here. You just need to have a criminal bent I guess or know a few crims or those on the fringes. And as you said, if some crazy wants to kill people, you can still buy weedkiller and sugar or just look under the kitchen sink..........there is a whole chemlab of lethal shit there. A little petrol, some condes crystals and you have the basic ingredients of some amazing fireworks. The worst mass murder in our country was happy land in NJ(1988 (not counting terror attacks ) , the "arsenal" used was a piece of chain and about 5 gallons of gas. The put the chain in the back door of the night club poured the gas in the front door and let nature take it's course, over 80 dead. When I was based in the DC area in the 70's they had a attack on the same lines. An adult theater which kept the back door locked (they said to avoid raids by the cops) was burned during business hours. Again they set fire to the front, and had everyone in side trapped, I don't remember how many died.

lovmuffin -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:01:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Yep,very true lovmuffin and really, it's not that difficult to obtain a firearm of some sort or another here. You just need to have a criminal bent I guess or know a few crims or those on the fringes. And as you said, if some crazy wants to kill people, you can still buy weedkiller and sugar or just look under the kitchen sink..........there is a whole chemlab of lethal shit there. A little petrol, some condes crystals and you have the basic ingredients of some amazing fireworks. So then, I have to ask, what's the point of passing those extremely severe gun laws, then confiscating 700,000 plus firearms from your citizens and destroying them ?

lovmuffin -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:14:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka It is true that given the demographic disparity it doesn't make sense to compare the UK and the US on issues like this. Oh please, try not to confuse these anti gun folks with logic and common sense. Otherwise that was very well stated, short and to the point. ETA: While you're at it would you please tell that to the UK guy who's been bleating and ballyhooing for years on this board about how wonderful their gun laws are and how we should follow their example. I won't mention any names but his initials begin with freedomdwarf1.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:24:34 PM)
I honestly have no idea LovMuffin but the Prime Minister (an asshole) and the government of the time had large majority and proceeded to push the laws through and ram them down everybody's throats. Strange really I think, because a lot of the members of that governmentwere country people who traditionally are/were pro-guns.

lovmuffin -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:38:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: And according to the polls in 18 days the voters will virtually repeal the 1st and 2nd. That is rank nonsense. The people have no vote in abolishing or installing an Amendment. Actually we do because we vote for those who do or otherwise might. If the evil bitch does get elected she can sign anything that crosses her desk and at the same time will have tipped the Supreme Court to the left to uphold any federal and state gun control. That of course would be the downward spiral of the Second Amendment. I'm not so sure how she'll do away with the First Amendment but afterall, the bitch eats puppies for breakfast[8D]

Dvr22999874 -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:43:13 PM)
Said Prime Minister used the Port Arthur Massacre as his key excuse for bringing in those laws and kept pushing his agenda as though massacres like that were happening every day and twice on Sundays. But if you look over the reports of that massacre or even study the café where it happened ( yes, I have been there), there are a number of things that don't add up, chief among them, so I read shortly after it happened, was that the guy was not a regular gun user by any stretch of the imagination and he used a Chinese SKS; a weapon he had never even used before, and he scored one for one. Like I said, you would have to look at the history of it yourself and make up your own mind but that Prime Minister was a renowned liar and propagandist.

BamaD -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:49:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 you could well be right there Bama..................for a couple of hundred years America has welcomed immigrants from all over the world. Immigrants who saw it as the land of opportunity. Australia was never that popular because it was a hard, harsh country and successive governments were fairly strict on immigration. America on the other hand seemed a great place for other countries to dump their dregs, dross and criminal elements along with the genuine and honest ones and they tended to form communities that thrived and flourished and possibly are doing so to this day. So in there, you have a mix of crims, crazies and downright no-hopers who can all get hold of weapons for their own little agendas. A surefire recipe for trouble I would say. Also unlike Canada our growth was not controlled. As I heard it explained once , in Canada when the settlers got there the law was waiting for them, in the American west settlers preceded the law by several year and a certain disrespect for outsider had set in. You could't depend on the law to protect you, you had to do it yourself. It also created a uniquely American degree of independence. If someone breaks into my home they forfeit some rights. A Legal representation , it becomes a privilege which (hopefully) I will be able to grant. B Trial by jury see A. C Breathing see A. With luck he will have a road to Damascus conversion and take his chances with the law. Otherwise he can plead his case with ST Peter. I don't have to tell you what a 12 ga at close range will do. Hopefully those side by side barrels will convince him of the error of his ways.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:50:46 PM)
I think I said something similar to that on another thread LovMuffin ( it might even have been on this one) that whoever gets elected, can say that he/she is just an instrument of the voters will and after that whatever they do is done in the name of the great American public. So basically, it is the voters that are voting for gun rights or the lack of them. Things like that tend to get lost in the sleight of hand and smoke and mirrors that politicians use when standing for office and then brought out at a later date as though THOSE were the main platforms all the time. When I said this previously, I was told I was stupid and didn't know what I was talking about, so I'm afraid I just sit back watch the American hand-basket now.

BamaD -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:53:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: And according to the polls in 18 days the voters will virtually repeal the 1st and 2nd. That is rank nonsense. The people have no vote in abolishing or installing an Amendment. Actually we do because we vote for those who do or otherwise might. If the evil bitch does get elected she can sign anything that crosses her desk and at the same time will have tipped the Supreme Court to the left to uphold any federal and state gun control. That of course would be the downward spiral of the Second Amendment. I'm not so sure how she'll do away with the First Amendment but afterall, the bitch eats puppies for breakfast[8D] She doesn't worship the devil, the devil worships her. (Fraser Crane).

Dvr22999874 -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:54:21 PM)
Bama, I don't have any guns any more but I do have a friend with a double name.............Fairbairn-Sykes and when a fool dressed as a clown came to my (glass) door the other night dressed as a clown and carrying a toy chainsaw, trying to scare saraah I guess, I showed him said gentleman and the clown left the circus rapidly

BamaD -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:56:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 I think I said something similar to that on another thread LovMuffin ( it might even have been on this one) that whoever gets elected, can say that he/she is just an instrument of the voters will and after that whatever they do is done in the name of the great American public. So basically, it is the voters that are voting for gun rights or the lack of them. Things like that tend to get lost in the sleight of hand and smoke and mirrors that politicians use when standing for office and then brought out at a later date as though THOSE were the main platforms all the time. When I said this previously, I was told I was stupid and didn't know what I was talking about, so I'm afraid I just sit back watch the American hand-basket now. As you have seen in this thread I have committed the same cardinal sin.

lovmuffin -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 10:57:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 I honestly have no idea LovMuffin but the Prime Minister (an asshole) and the government of the time had large majority and proceeded to push the laws through and ram them down everybody's throats. Strange really I think, because a lot of the members of that governmentwere country people who traditionally are/were pro-guns. When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep. Politicians, in order to not take chances retaining their power and money flow, go along rather than let common sense prevail.

BamaD -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 11:02:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Bama, I don't have any guns any more but I do have a friend with a double name.............Fairbairn-Sykes and when a fool dressed as a clown came to my (glass) door the other night dressed as a clown and carrying a toy chainsaw, trying to scare saraah I guess, I showed him said gentleman and the clown left the circus rapidly I had a similar experience about 4 year ago with a drug dealer, as near as I know he is still running after I suggested it would be in his best interest for me to never see him again.

BamaD -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 11:04:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 I honestly have no idea LovMuffin but the Prime Minister (an asshole) and the government of the time had large majority and proceeded to push the laws through and ram them down everybody's throats. Strange really I think, because a lot of the members of that governmentwere country people who traditionally are/were pro-guns. When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep. Politicians, in order to not take chances retaining their power and money flow, go along rather than let common sense prevail. Bingo

Dvr22999874 -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/22/2016 11:07:02 PM)
Right on

lovmuffin -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/23/2016 12:00:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR I notice that the anti gun people here don't seem to want to answer the poll. There is that one person who seems to think that the criminals will just march in an surrender their gun. The only way there would be any chance of getting the guns in the hands of criminals would be to unleash the military, round up everyone and do a house to house search of the whole country, and the chances of that working would be on the level of Custer's chances at the Little Big Horn. No, the way to begin would be to close down the manufacturers to bring the mass production of guns, magazine, and ammunition to a screeching halt. The followup would be registration of guns for hunting and sport. That would be voluntary at first. The shut down of production and the advent of licensing would be followed by a Federal anti-carry law to supersede all state laws. That would isolate the criminals, militia, and other crazies. The ATP, FBI and federalized national guard would then come after your unregistered guns. All of the above is just my thought experiment on how the process might work after the archaic Second Amendment were repealed. Good for you, I see ya have it all figured out. This year for Christmas I want Santa to give me a 10 foot dick so I can bang Kim Kardashian and all of her sisters. After that they'll be so grateful, they'll invite me to move into their mansion. Of course I will have to ban all other 10 foot dicks and close down Santa and bring the mass production of 10 foot dicks to a screetching halt. The followup would be registration of all other existing10 foot dicks for whore mongers and sport. The shutdown of production and the advent of licensing will be followed by a Federal anti Sodomy law that will supercede all state sodomy laws. The ATP (ATF ?) and FBI and federalized National gaurd would then cum after all unregistered 10 foot dicks.(I wonder though how they will know where to find them. Will they eliminate the 4th amendment in order to knock down doors I wonder. How way kewl would that be for the USA). In the mean time I'll live happily ever after with Kim and her sisters. I'll call them my Angels. They'll be good at karate chops and blow jobs and stuff. All of that is just my thought experiment on how this Christmas might work.

Edwird -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/23/2016 12:36:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Criminals are not part of the public? You know full well that criminals won't obey gun laws any more than they do other laws. They already can't get guns legally. We know full well that mental cretins can own a gun in the US as long as they fill out the paper work. Witness ... the OP. Worrisome.

Edwird -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/23/2016 12:53:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin This year for Christmas I want Santa to give me a 10 foot dick so I can bang Kim Kardashian Oh good gosh, you actually express desire to fuck a female walrus and openly admit to it? If something like this would not make us want to check the psycho-profile of potential gun owners then I don't know what else would.

thompsonx -> RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have firearms. (10/23/2016 3:04:30 AM)
ORIGINAL: Edwird Oh good gosh, you actually express desire to fuck a female walrus and openly admit to it? Roflmfao

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