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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 3:06:55 AM   
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I had a similar experience about 4 year ago with a drug dealer,


You seem to have a lot of interaction with drug dealers...why is that?



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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 3:12:51 AM   
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Also unlike Canada our growth was not controlled. As I heard it explained once , in Canada when the settlers got there the law was waiting for them, in the American west settlers preceded the law by several year and a certain disrespect for outsider had set in. You could't depend on the law to protect you, you had to do it yourself.


Once again the graduate of the university of dumbass opens his mouth to spew ignorant shit.
Please pull your head out of your ass, stop watching television and read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 3:28:46 AM   
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When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep.


Funny. My view is the opposite. What I see is people trying to find solutions but being cast as hysterical radicals by those who don't want change. At the same time, whichever disaster has just occurred is cast as natural and unavoidable as the weather. Deplorable of course - and up and down the country people will 'pray for the victims' and 'share the grief' of the survivors - but utterly unavoidable. Then they carry on peacefully chewing the cud like a bunch of sheep till the next atrocity.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 4:45:32 AM   
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When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep.


Funny. My view is the opposite. What I see is people trying to find solutions but being cast as hysterical radicals by those who don't want change. At the same time, whichever disaster has just occurred is cast as natural and unavoidable as the weather. Deplorable of course - and up and down the country people will 'pray for the victims' and 'share the grief' of the survivors - but utterly unavoidable. Then they carry on peacefully chewing the cud like a bunch of sheep till the next atrocity.

I see it the same way Peon.
I think they call it 'Ostrich Syndrome'.

You'll never get them to see the other side of the coin.
As for Dvr's comments about the dregs going to the US, perhaps he has forgotten that a huge number of the Aussie population was originally made up of criminals exported from the UK and Europe with a handful of overseers.
Far more dregs than ever went to the US at the beginning of the formation of the country.
Yet interestingly, the Aussie's don't have the same gun culture as the Americans.



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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 5:07:20 AM   
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When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep.

Funny. My view is the opposite. What I see is people trying to find solutions but being cast as hysterical radicals by those who don't want change. At the same time, whichever disaster has just occurred is cast as natural and unavoidable as the weather. Deplorable of course - and up and down the country people will 'pray for the victims' and 'share the grief' of the survivors - but utterly unavoidable. Then they carry on peacefully chewing the cud like a bunch of sheep till the next atrocity.

I see it the same way Peon.
I think they call it 'Ostrich Syndrome'.

You'll never get them to see the other side of the coin.
As for Dvr's comments about the dregs going to the US, perhaps he has forgotten that a huge number of the Aussie population was originally made up of criminals exported from the UK and Europe with a handful of overseers.
Far more dregs than ever went to the US at the beginning of the formation of the country.
Yet interestingly, the Aussie's don't have the same gun culture as the Americans.

I have pointed out to you before that cuba has very little gun violence. In amerika gun owners make up only about a third of the population. In contrast virtually everyone in cuba is armed. It would seem pretty obvious that gun ownership alone is not a fair qualifier for gun violence.
What would seem more likely would be the mindset of the gun owners and their projected fears/paranoia regarding the "need" for a gun. If we look at the posters here who perpetually bleat about their need seem to fear the minorities who historically have been oppressed and the government who until relatively recently have prevented those minorities from possessing guns.




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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 5:19:18 AM   
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I have pointed out to you before that cuba has very little gun violence. In amerika gun owners make up only about a third of the population. In contrast virtually everyone in cuba is armed. It would seem pretty obvious that gun ownership alone is not a fair qualifier for gun violence.
What would seem more likely would be the mindset of the gun owners and their projected fears/paranoia regarding the "need" for a gun. If we look at the posters here who perpetually bleat about their need seem to fear the minorities who historically have been oppressed and the government who until relatively recently have prevented those minorities from possessing guns.

And many would argue that Cuba is a tiny country of less than 12 million people, an island, ruled with an iron fist of the commies followed by Castro.
That aside, I do agree that it is the mindset of Americans that are causing the problem.
It also shows that very strict gun controls, if applied nationwide, do work remarkably well.


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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 6:50:41 AM   
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Also unlike Canada our growth was not controlled. As I heard it explained once , in Canada when the settlers got there the law was waiting for them, in the American west settlers preceded the law by several year and a certain disrespect for outsider had set in. You could't depend on the law to protect you, you had to do it yourself.


Once again the graduate of the university of dumbass opens his mouth to spew ignorant shit.
Please pull your head out of your ass, stop watching television and read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.





For once why don't you stop with the bald face I'm smarter than everyone insults, open your 5th grade history book and tell us all how it really was.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 7:13:49 AM   
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When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep.


Funny. My view is the opposite. What I see is people trying to find solutions but being cast as hysterical radicals by those who don't want change. At the same time, whichever disaster has just occurred is cast as natural and unavoidable as the weather. Deplorable of course - and up and down the country people will 'pray for the victims' and 'share the grief' of the survivors - but utterly unavoidable. Then they carry on peacefully chewing the cud like a bunch of sheep till the next atrocity.

I see it the same way Peon.
I think they call it 'Ostrich Syndrome'.

You'll never get them to see the other side of the coin.
As for Dvr's comments about the dregs going to the US, perhaps he has forgotten that a huge number of the Aussie population was originally made up of criminals exported from the UK and Europe with a handful of overseers.
Far more dregs than ever went to the US at the beginning of the formation of the country.
Yet interestingly, the Aussie's don't have the same gun culture as the Americans.




That's all well and fine and I'm happy for you and Peon that you don't have to put up with so much gun violence. But you really didn't have a whole lot of it compared to the US in the first place. And regardless, if some whack job wants to shoot the place up and kill a crap load of people, your stupid gun laws won't do jack shit to stop it. Just ask France. As has been pointed out for you 2 guys over and over for years now is our 2 countries are not exactly the same with regards to culture and demographics. Your type of gun laws not only won't work here but would create an even bigger problem yet you guys continue on repeating the same crap.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 7:30:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that if some nut job wants to shoot the place up, no amount of gun laws will ever stop them.
In just the same way that speed restrictions don't stop those that want to go speeding.

But, it does show that in countries that have strict gun laws, it's not a daily occurrence like it is in the US.
As thompson has pointed out, Cuba is rife with guns but they also don't have the equivalent levels of gun crime, gun violence, and gun deaths as the US.

There couldn't be a bigger gap in culture and demographics than Cuba, Australia, Europe and the UK - all completely different.
Yet we all enjoy a relatively peaceful existence without the gun culture.
It's all down to the mindset.
Your mindset is that it's crap yet you won't even try it and give it a chance like we all did.
You dismiss it because you firmly believe it just won't work without any logical coherent argument against it - other than you don't want it.
That's Ostrich Syndrome at it's finest.

When the US loses it's world supremacy and the country breaks down into anarchy, we'll all point and laugh when the Chinese or the Russians walk in and restore order.
Though it'll probably be my children or their children instead of me.
We learnt. You refuse to learn.


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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 7:34:26 AM   
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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 8:51:52 AM   
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We have a lot of guns here in Canada as well, but we have strict controls....

And we have a surprising number of guns here too - most of them legal.
Again, under strict control.
But as some gun nuts have voiced on here - the laws won't stop a determined nutter from shooting up the place.
If that's how they view it, why bother having ANY laws at all??
Let people go speeding around the cities running people over willy-nilly with impunity.
Let the country go to rack and ruin like it was in the wild west.
I don't understand the intransigence of just the gun laws.

The reason the culture is so bad in the US is because they won't accept controls - not even reasonable ones.
As soon as anyone dares to mention any sort of control, the cry of "they want to take our guns away" paranoia is trotted out.
As far as I can see, nobody has advocated a complete ban on guns as they keep bleating.


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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 11:09:17 AM   
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We have a lot of guns here in Canada as well, but we have strict controls....


The reason the culture is so bad in the US is because they won't accept controls - not even reasonable ones.
As soon as anyone dares to mention any sort of control, the cry of "they want to take our guns away" paranoia is trotted out.
As far as I can see, nobody has advocated a complete ban on guns as they keep bleating.



We don't think our culture is bad. We like to feel like the people ultimately are the final check & balance of power. And we are also aware of the slippery slope of controls. It's not paranoia per se... it's more like protection of the ultimate power of the people.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 11:09:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The reason the culture is so bad in the US is because they won't accept controls - not even reasonable ones. "

Another bunch of liberal bullshit. We got all kinds of gun laws. I am not so sure I could buy one because of my driving record. You think there are no gun laws here you are fucking stupid.

And to carry one concealed, which should be the right of everyone not crazy, is even harder. You have to pass a background check togher than the cops have to pass, and you have to qualify and from what I've see I think even with my fucked up eyesight I could outshoot a bunch of cops. Fuck, they might need MY help one day.

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about here.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 12:04:30 PM   
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http://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics

Every day, 48 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence
Every day, 40 children and teens are shot and survive


Every Day on Average (all ages)
Every day, 306 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
Every day, 90 people die from gun violence
Every day, 216 people are shot and survive

In One Year on Average (ages 0-19)
2,624 kids die from gun violence:
14,736 kids survive gun injuries:

In One Year on Average (all ages)
Over 111,000 (111,779) people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.>
32,964 people die from gun violence
78,815 people survive gun injuries:


It would appear that the stolen land, that calls-itself America, can breed faster than it kills itself. Pity.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 12:30:08 PM   
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I have pointed out to you before that cuba has very little gun violence. In amerika gun owners make up only about a third of the population. In contrast virtually everyone in cuba is armed. It would seem pretty obvious that gun ownership alone is not a fair qualifier for gun violence.
What would seem more likely would be the mindset of the gun owners and their projected fears/paranoia regarding the "need" for a gun. If we look at the posters here who perpetually bleat about their need seem to fear the minorities who historically have been oppressed and the government who until relatively recently have prevented those minorities from possessing guns.



And many would argue that Cuba is a tiny country of less than 12 million people,

Compare that 12 million to any similar size population in amerika the results are the same. All of them have guns while only about a third of amerikans have guns. Murder by gun there vs. nurder by gun here, My point is that guns are not the determining factor attitude is.


an island, ruled with an iron fist of the commies followed by Castro.

That iron fist bullshit does not hold up to scrutiny. Since all the people have guns and ammo what is stopping them from chucking the iron fisted commie out on his ass????perhaps they love him.
Consider how many times amerika has admitted to trying to snuff castro and all totally unsuccessful simply because they could not find anyone in cuba to help them.
Consider also that the constitution of cuba authorizes the people to overthrow the government anytime it is less than responsive to the constitution. How many countries in the world put that in their constitution and then arm the citizens with the firepower to do it?



That aside, I do agree that it is the mindset of Americans that are causing the problem.

Since you have just agreed that it is attitude and not guns that is the problem may we expect that from now forward you will stop calling for the repeal of the 2nd ammendment and the limiting of gun ownership in my country?

It also shows that very strict gun controls, if applied nationwide, do work remarkably well.

No it does not. I said nothing of the sort. You have pulled that turd straight out of your ass.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 12:38:27 PM   
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Also unlike Canada our growth was not controlled. As I heard it explained once , in Canada when the settlers got there the law was waiting for them, in the American west settlers preceded the law by several year and a certain disrespect for outsider had set in. You could't depend on the law to protect you, you had to do it yourself.


Once again the graduate of the university of dumbass opens his mouth to spew ignorant shit.
Please pull your head out of your ass, stop watching television and read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



For once why don't you stop with the bald face I'm smarter than everyone insults,

One does not have to be very smart to be smarter than you and bammad


open your 5th grade history book

I closed my fifth grade history book when I got to the sixth grade.

and tell us all how it really was.

Is google broke on your computer or is it that you don't know how to use it?

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 1:03:01 PM   
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When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep.


Funny. My view is the opposite. What I see is people trying to find solutions but being cast as hysterical radicals by those who don't want change. At the same time, whichever disaster has just occurred is cast as natural and unavoidable as the weather. Deplorable of course - and up and down the country people will 'pray for the victims' and 'share the grief' of the survivors - but utterly unavoidable. Then they carry on peacefully chewing the cud like a bunch of sheep till the next atrocity.

If it is a sound an reasonable response why do they penalize the people who not only didn't do it but never would.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 1:13:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep.


Funny. My view is the opposite. What I see is people trying to find solutions but being cast as hysterical radicals by those who don't want change. At the same time, whichever disaster has just occurred is cast as natural and unavoidable as the weather. Deplorable of course - and up and down the country people will 'pray for the victims' and 'share the grief' of the survivors - but utterly unavoidable. Then they carry on peacefully chewing the cud like a bunch of sheep till the next atrocity.

I see it the same way Peon.
I think they call it 'Ostrich Syndrome'.

You'll never get them to see the other side of the coin.
As for Dvr's comments about the dregs going to the US, perhaps he has forgotten that a huge number of the Aussie population was originally made up of criminals exported from the UK and Europe with a handful of overseers.
Far more dregs than ever went to the US at the beginning of the formation of the country.
Yet interestingly, the Aussie's don't have the same gun culture as the Americans.



Still can't read can you. He also stated that those dregs who originally went to Australia were prisoners, so they were under tight control. The early governors were strict and had tight control as well. They were given their independence, we threw you bozos out so we started from a completely different place. Your argument works great, unless you think about it.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 1:14:17 PM   
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When something heinous and horrific happens such as Port Arthur, people become hysterical in their search for answers and solutions so they run off a cliff like a bunch of sheep.


Funny. My view is the opposite. What I see is people trying to find solutions but being cast as hysterical radicals by those who don't want change. At the same time, whichever disaster has just occurred is cast as natural and unavoidable as the weather. Deplorable of course - and up and down the country people will 'pray for the victims' and 'share the grief' of the survivors - but utterly unavoidable. Then they carry on peacefully chewing the cud like a bunch of sheep till the next atrocity.

Note the next post, FD agrees with you, a sure sign you are wrong.

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RE: How long after a ban will criminals still have fire... - 10/23/2016 1:18:29 PM   
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Why write new stuff eh wicked!

http://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics

Every day, 48 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence
Every day, 40 children and teens are shot and survive


Every Day on Average (all ages)
Every day, 306 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
Every day, 90 people die from gun violence
Every day, 216 people are shot and survive

In One Year on Average (ages 0-19)
2,624 kids die from gun violence:
14,736 kids survive gun injuries:

In One Year on Average (all ages)
Over 111,000 (111,779) people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.>
32,964 people die from gun violence
78,815 people survive gun injuries:


It would appear that the stolen land, that calls-itself America, can breed faster than it kills itself. Pity.

Brady campaign are a bunch of liars. Just last week they ran an add that put the number of children killed per week a bout 1.

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