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Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/20/2016 8:23:24 PM

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Do you think separating from the US and partnering with China (and perhaps Russia too) was a smart move for the Philippines?

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/20/2016 9:47:52 PM

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 5:06:56 AM

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No.

Why?

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 5:29:27 AM

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Yes.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 5:47:00 AM

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Yes.

Why?

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 6:12:04 AM

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Do you think separating from the US and partnering with China (and perhaps Russia too) was a smart move for the Philippines?

Some people here are new out of education, tamaka. You need to write 'Discuss' at the end of your question. ;)

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 6:27:21 AM

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Can't you form your own answer instead of constantly questioning others?

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 6:29:34 AM

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Do you think separating from the US and partnering with China (and perhaps Russia too) was a smart move for the Philippines?

Some people here are new out of education, tamaka. You need to write 'Discuss' at the end of your question. ;)

I think it's a perfect example of a Yes/No question.
I don't think there's anything much to discuss.
You either agree or not.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 6:36:05 AM

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I don't think we will know that answer to the OP question for a long time.

It's easy to see why the rise of China, and its increasing regional influence (some would say dominance) could cause the Philippinos to look towards Beijing for future friendship and possibly protection. But don't forget that the Philippines is also in dispute with China over the Chinese occupation of and claims over some islands in the South China Sea and it will also be anxious to maintain its sovereignty and independence. So whether both parties will be able to form a mutually beneficial long term relationship is still an open question.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 6:45:23 AM

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Can't you form your own answer instead of constantly questioning others?

OP - D knee jerked because he got spanked so..no, making decisions with huge consequences because you are in the midst of a temper tantrum is not wise..it is foolish, childish and has the potential to actually be dangerous.

I know there are folks that are appalled by wisdom and calm, cool, rational thought..but those folks need to be ignored.

D can go suck Chinas cock in the hopes of getting back into the South China Sea but it will not work..that has already been ruled upon. Putin will not have a problem with getting his dick polished by Duerte but he won't be paying for the cheap blow job although he may dangle a carrot and wink a lot for it.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 6:51:36 AM

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Can't you form your own answer instead of constantly questioning others?

Because she is interested in other perspectives?

Because this is a discussion board?

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 7:24:48 AM

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Can't you form your own answer instead of constantly questioning others?

If you cannot substantiate your opinion what value has it?
I have my opinions of the phillippines. I have been there, more than once over a time frame of many years. I am not unaware of the bredth and depth of my country's involvement there.
My answer to the question posed is that the phillippines are a soverign nation and they should do as they please. How thier decission affects amerika,china or russia is yet to be seen.
As for your snark, I would sugest you find a shoe box and put it inside,wrap it in some nice paper and put a big pink bow on it. Then shove it up your ass.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 7:37:15 AM

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Yes.

Why?

If I were Duerte, I might not believe the US would come to my defense against China. I might believe the US is exploiting my country. I might believe the US is a false friend. I might believe the US is weaker than the appearances it likes to give. I might believe China is the Devil I know, and the US is the devil I know too well. I might also be concerned that the next US President might meddle in my affairs, might disapprove of my direction and methods, and support a coup.

I am surely no expert. This is just an opinion based on limited reading and not enough facts.

Yes I have ties to the Philippines, going back 30 years, but they are slender, and mostly old.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 7:48:19 AM

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If I were Duerte, I might not believe the US would come to my defense against China. I might believe the US is exploiting my country. I might believe the US is a false friend. I might believe the US is weaker than the appearances it likes to give. I might believe China is the Devil I know, and the US is the devil I know too well. I might also be concerned that the next US President might meddle in my affairs, might disapprove of my direction and methods, and support a coup.

I am surely no expert. This is just an opinion based on limited reading and not enough facts.

Yes I have ties to the Philippines, going back 30 years, but they are slender, and mostly old.

For someone who claims not to be an expert you surely have accurately nailed down the major issues that phillippinos have with amerika going back for more than 100 years.
Thank you for your accurate and thoughful response to my quiry.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 8:04:37 AM

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Can't you form your own answer instead of constantly questioning others?

You forgot the

emoji. Surely that was a rhetorical question.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 8:11:46 AM

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You forgot the

emoji. Surely that was a rhetorical question.

You obviously consider all my posts to be rhetorical because you never answer any questions I pose to you...or is it because you lack the talent and courage to do so?

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 8:15:14 AM

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I think geography has alot to do with it. I also agree that they have (possibly valid) doubts about the US defending them against China. Look at the shit North Korea is doing, and the US isn't bombing them not even thinking about it. Why ?

There is of course the fact that they don't have much we can sell, but they're cozy with China. If fear of war with China is not the reason they are leaving North Korea alone, that indicates then that all this sabre rattling at Iran is because of their natural resources and of course getting "involved" in their economy. They want to install a US friendly government that will borrow a ton of money from the IMF to improve their lives so much, and then they end up like Greece where parents have been know to just drop their kids off at an orphanage because they can't feed them. Some improvement huh. The only countries I can think of that ever got those motherfuckers off their back were Iceland and Hungary.

Plus they (Phillipenes) might see the US as too aggressive. Even Trump doesn't seem to get it about the South China sea, it is ten fucking thousand miles away, the US has no business there. And Clinton is even more interventionalist.

All this talk of preventing access to the South China sea, or the Straits of Hormutz for that matter, would be in retaliation for acts committed by the US government in that area. But we need to protect the South China sea from China ? We buy more shit from them than we buy from ourselves ! What, are they fucking crazy ?

Yes. And yes. It is a good idea for quite a few reasons for them to ally with China. Another reason is that the US military is getting bloated, spread too thin and losing its edge. Our planes don't win, and everyhing is overbudget. If I were in charge I would make them really engineer this shit, in fact deliver a WORKING prototype before you get a fucking dime. Then we would not have this collosal fiasco concerning those boat anchor F-35s.

See that's what people don't seem to get. Just because the US spends more it doesn't mean they get more. Kinda like healthcare.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 8:20:17 AM

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Look at the shit North Korea is doing, and the US isn't bombing them not even thinking about it. Why ?

Why should we?

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 8:41:55 AM

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Perhaps we here in the US should take note of the Trump of the Philippines and how our future may play out if Trump is elected.

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RE: Did the Phillipine president make a good move? - 10/21/2016 9:44:02 AM

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If I were Duerte, I might not believe the US would come to my defense against China. I might believe the US is exploiting my country. I might believe the US is a false friend. I might believe the US is weaker than the appearances it likes to give. I might believe China is the Devil I know, and the US is the devil I know too well. I might also be concerned that the next US President might meddle in my affairs, might disapprove of my direction and methods, and support a coup.

I am surely no expert. This is just an opinion based on limited reading and not enough facts.

Yes I have ties to the Philippines, going back 30 years, but they are slender, and mostly old.

For someone who claims not to be an expert you surely have accurately nailed down the major issues that phillippinos have with amerika going back for more than 100 years.
Thank you for your accurate and thoughful response to my quiry.

In as much as the Hague having ruled against China and on almost every point, the question becomes to what extent the US or any power or group of powers will try to establish a regime to enforce its rulings. The answers to your questions, depend on what China does in view of these rulings, doesn't do and what the Philippines want.

As these disputes pertain to the South China Sea and the Philippines, do they rise up tho the level of the US either using force or having any need to effect or change the Philippine govt ? I doubt that very much on either count until US investors/capitalists suffer due to specific Chinese behavior and such as beyond building some small islands. If so, once that point is reached...all bets are off.

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