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Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/25/2016 7:41:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the GOP wants to save the party and ever win the white house again it will have to:

.....go to war with right-wing media. That is, they need to dismantle the media machine persuading their base to believe completely bonkers, bigoted garbage. It is, after all, the right-wing radio, TV and Internet fever swamps that have gotten them into this mess, that have led to massive misinformation, disinformation and cynicism among Republican voters. And draining those fever swamps is the only way to get them out of it.

For example:

7 of 10 repubs still very seriously doubt or completely disbelieve that Obama was born in the US.

6 of 10 believe Obama is a secret Muslim.

5 of 10 believe that global warming is a hoax concocted by climate scientists.

7 of 10 believe government economic data are fabricated.

5 of 10 don’t trust that votes will be counted accurately in the November election.

Get this:

Some small fraction actually believe that presidential elections are determined by Instagram followers.
HERE

Data trutherism, claims that the economy is worse than the official numbers indicate, that polls are “skewed” to favor Democrats, that hurricane forecasts are exaggerated to scare the public into fearing climate change, riled the base, even as it sowed a deadly distrust in any impartial metric of the nation’s economic, political, social or climatological health.

Never-ending witch hunts against Planned Parenthood, climate scientists, Hillary Clinton similarly galvanized supporters in the near term but increased bloodlust for punishment of political enemies in the long run.

In other words, Trump is not some black swan, whose unique cocktail of charisma, telegenicism and political fluidity landed him the nomination. His nomination is the product of years of race-baiting, conspiracy-theorizing, expert-delegitimizing right-wing media nonsense, which Republican politicians aided and abetted because it seemed politically expedient at the time. They helped the alt-right create the alternate reality that made a Trump nomination inevitable.

And unless the party establishment grapples with its own complicity in misinforming, misleading and frightening the masses, it’s doomed to field more Donald Trumps in the future.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/25/2016 8:12:48 PM   
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The GOP lost me in 1992.

If they hadn't, they'd have lost me about 6 years ago.

They have allowed the left to pummel them with faux "outrage", time and time again only to curl up in the fetal position in a corner and whimper: "Please don't hurt me."

If one truly has values, one fights for those values. of course, that requires integrity; something else the GOP is seriously lacking, these days.



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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/25/2016 8:21:20 PM   
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If the GOP wants to save the party and ever win the white house again it will have to:

.....go to war with right-wing media. That is, they need to dismantle the media machine persuading their base to believe completely bonkers, bigoted garbage. It is, after all, the right-wing radio, TV and Internet fever swamps that have gotten them into this mess, that have led to massive misinformation, disinformation and cynicism among Republican voters. And draining those fever swamps is the only way to get them out of it.


Yeah, I get Fox Business vids on my Youtube and man, some of the BS crap they come up with is amazing.. and yeah, too many people believe this shite and drink the kool-aid.. how can they be so stupid? its like they have turned their brain off and have let someone else do the "thinking" for them.. while I dont think nutbar Trump will win (this time), that he has come so close is scary.. not just for the US but for the entire world..

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/25/2016 10:21:56 PM   
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Today's right and how [it] got a Trump

Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/25/2016 11:20:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		So in essence you are saying the GOP are a collection of half wit monstrosities who believe in the tooth fairy and the coming scorched earth is communist propaganda - what does that make their followers of their mad waffle then? Psychotic - actually frighty-hair-man answers that. They had what 6 candidates to choose from and they opted for a bankrupt animal – marvellous.

Actually my latest theories nazi base antratica dna spliced turnip gone with the blight billy the half wit goat are delving into the realms of creature of wretch was assembled incorrectly by crazyglue – I think they ran out of glue for his mullet…yes yes they forgot his brain tis why he is animated like a thunderbirds puppet. His russian overlords clearly pulling the faulty strings

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 12:20:13 AM   
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So in essence you are saying the GOP are a collection of half wit monstrosities who believe in the tooth fairy and the coming scorched earth is communist propaganda - what does that make their followers of their mad waffle then? Psychotic - actually frighty-hair-man answers that. They had what 6 candidates to choose from and they opted for a bankrupt animal – marvellous.

Actually my latest theories nazi base antratica dna spliced turnip gone with the blight billy the half wit goat are delving into the realms of creature of wretch was assembled incorrectly by crazyglue – I think they ran out of glue for his mullet…yes yes they forgot his brain tis why he is animated like a thunderbirds puppet. His russian overlords clearly pulling the faulty strings

Wow. You are really off your meds tonight.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 12:34:49 AM   
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Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.


He's more a product of society than government.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 12:50:44 AM   
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Wow. You are really off your meds tonight.

Tonight?

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 12:56:08 AM   
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Wow. You are really off your meds tonight.

Tonight?

I try to take things around here on a case by case basis...just to be fair.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 1:04:06 AM   
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Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.

He's more a product of society than government.

A rather unimportant distinction.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 1:28:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Trump is an inevitable product of any party that invites and supports a large group of uneducated reactionaries (Tea Party) who can't comprehend a technological urban civilization takes cash to maintain and co-ordinate just to a minimally basic level of function. To advance and progress it takes considerable group negotiation, investment and foresight. Instead, party leaders swore publically to do Not what was in the country's best long term interest, but 'whatever it took' to assure the other party lost the White House ASAP. Legislative gridlock as a political weapon is as bankrupt a philosophy as thinking you can pick effective party leaders with the Tea Party your most involved voter block. Our lack of adequate education to prepare for the future is just one shortcoming of the blatant catering to the lowest common denominator in search of votes for immediate personal and party power, instead of acting as the leaders our country's founders conceived with instituting a Republic instead of a Democracy. To the extent the Republicans have made their profession, government, the enemy, they have shot themselves in the feet. Less effort into making a lean, egalitarian and effective government their goal and standard could have transformed the country in countless beneficial ways. Instead they have sabotaged function and snuck in business favors at the beck and call of private corporations constantly while mouthing platitudes about 'family values'. If the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, where do bad intentions take everyone?

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 1:50:02 AM   
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Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.

He's more a product of society than government.

A rather unimportant distinction.

How is he a product of a failed government when he has never held elected office? Since he has not
had a chance to fuk anything up in the government, it would stand to reason he is a product of society.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 2:21:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.

He's more a product of society than government.

A rather unimportant distinction.

How is he a product of a failed government when he has never held elected office? Since he has not
had a chance to fuk anything up in the government, it would stand to reason he is a product of society.

Quit trying to be so literal.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 2:48:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Chaska
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.

He's more a product of society than government.

A rather unimportant distinction.

How is he a product of a failed government when he has never held elected office? Since he has not
had a chance to fuk anything up in the government, it would stand to reason he is a product of society.

Quit trying to be so literal.

Quit being a slacker.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 2:56:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Chaska
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.

He's more a product of society than government.

A rather unimportant distinction.

How is he a product of a failed government when he has never held elected office? Since he has not
had a chance to fuk anything up in the government, it would stand to reason he is a product of society.

Quit trying to be so literal.

Quit being a slacker.

Quit being obtuse.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 3:14:23 AM   
Chaska


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Chaska
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.

He's more a product of society than government.

A rather unimportant distinction.

How is he a product of a failed government when he has never held elected office? Since he has not
had a chance to fuk anything up in the government, it would stand to reason he is a product of society.

Quit trying to be so literal.

Quit being a slacker.

Quit being obtuse.

From your sig line:
I find your arguments strewn with gaping defects in logic.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 3:23:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Chaska
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.

He's more a product of society than government.

A rather unimportant distinction.

How is he a product of a failed government when he has never held elected office? Since he has not
had a chance to fuk anything up in the government, it would stand to reason he is a product of society.

Quit trying to be so literal.

Quit being a slacker.

Quit being obtuse.

From your sig line:
I find your arguments strewn with gaping defects in logic.

And that's exactly what I'm thinking.

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 3:54:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rottenjonny how dare thee besmirch my impeccable character. May the pox visit ye. It was actually 5am GMT, proper time that is - but for some reason we are calling it 6am.

Okay. Dr Frankenstein created monster, plausible. Then something went badly amiss; brain obviously, decency, dignity, cash that daddy gave him, other peoples cash parasite plundered, its tax returns, sanity, soul, charisma, empathy... its a very long list...has anyone checked frighty-hair-man for a bolt on its neck?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPiu4QmJyWs

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 4:44:14 AM   
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6 of 10 believe Obama is a secret Muslim.

Michelle Obama makes me believe Obama is not a Muslim. But he does feel a kinship to it, as his paternal father is a Muslim.
Obama joked on Jimmy Kimmel that even after he finish being President, he will not go through a metal detector or be padded down!
I didn't find that funny. Infact, that made me think, WTF? Why not?

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RE: Today's right and how [it] got a Trump - 10/26/2016 4:53:52 AM   
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Trump isn't a product of the right. He's the product of an overall failed government.


He's more a product of society than government.

Possibly, but his presence in the political landscape is down to the Republicans having spent the last decade or so deliberately slanting their party towards the elements of society he represents. Do you think he'd have got as far as he had if the tea party hadn't spent so much time money and effort cultivating the angry white fuckwit vote?

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