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Real0ne -> Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/26/2016 11:04:12 PM)

Yep hillary supports obamacare, a system that cannot work in America.


Average Obamacare premiums are spiking 25%, and 115% spike in Arizona.


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/obamacare-premiums-will-increase-about-25-year



yep all those promises, 'affordable' (NOT), keep your own doc (NOT), several insurers (NOT), and on and on another huge pack of lies and hillarys plan is to ride that titanic all the way to the bottom!

Trump has it right, repeal this shit deal and start over.




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Cannon is director of health policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute
The recent exodus of insurers shows we need more reliable affordable care

They’re dropping like flies.

The health-insurance giant Aetna has announced it will exit 11 of the 15 health-insurance exchanges where it sells Obamacare plans. Aetna’s announcement comes on the heels of news that UnitedHealthcare, Humana, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of New Mexico, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota, and Texas’ Scott and White Health Plan, and 70% of Obamacare’s failed Co-Ops, and other insurers will exit many or all of the exchanges for which they had previously shown such enthusiasm.

The ongoing and nationwide exodus of insurers is just the latest piece of evidence that Obamacare is a failed law built on false promises.

Obamacare’s only real selling point was that it supposedly guarantees access to care for people with expensive illnesses. President Obama repeatedly boasted that under Obamacare, it will be illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage to the sick because “all discrimination against pre-existing conditions will be prohibited.”

On the contrary, Obamacare itself is denying coverage to people with preexisting conditions. Just ask the residents of Pinal County, Arizona, where Obamacare has driven every carrier out of the exchange, and may yet destroy the individual market outside the exchange.

As it turns out, Obamacare does not prevent insurance companies from denying you coverage, dropping your coverage, or watering down your coverage. It does not prevent insurers from limiting your coverage. It does not prevent discrimination against the sick. All of these things happened in Pinal County—and not in spite of Obamacare, but because of it. Obamacare made covering everybody in the exchange prohibitively expensive, so insurers stopped covering anybody.

If you’re a Pinal County resident who had a pre-Obamacare plan that covered your (now-preexisting) medical condition, Obamacare took away your coverage and the long-term protection it provided. It has left you either with far more expensive coverage, or no coverage at all.

President Obama also promised Obamacare would give everyone “the same kind of choice of private health insurance that members of Congress get for themselves.” Members of Congress can choose from four carriers in D.C.’s small business Exchange. (Who knew Congress is a small business?)

What about us little people? In 2017, one third of counties and one in six enrollees will have only one carrier in their Exchange. As it was before Obamacare, few Americans will have as many health-insurance choices as Congress.

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.” This year’s ongoing insurer exodus has so far added another 2 million Americans to the number that Obamacare has thrown out of their health plans.

In the same breath, Obama promised: “We will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.” Can you guess what one of the worst parts of all those plan cancellations is? They often force patients to switch doctors and hospitals mid-treatment.

In 2010, Obama found one insurer who raised premiums by an “unacceptable” 39%. Obamacare would make such increases a thing of the past, he promised.

Are you sitting down? He hasn’t kept that promise, either.

In 2016, eight states had Obamacare plans whose premiums increased by 39% or more. Half the states saw increases of 30% or more.

Premiums appear to be rising even faster in 2017. Across Tennessee’s three exchange-participating insurers, the lowest average increase will be 44%. The highest will be 62%.

Obamacare’s defenders respond that subsidies defray the cost of Obamacare plans. Except they don’t. Subsidies don’t reduce the amount of the premium. They just shift the cost of Obamacare coverage to taxpayers. Either way, fewer than half of consumers facing these premium hikes are getting subsidies.

For a great many people, including many with preexisting conditions, Obamacare has made matters worse. No one wants the system we had before Obamacare. But repealing Obamacare would create space for a sounder and more sustainable health reform than this ongoing failure.
http://time.com/4466081/broken-obamacare-promises/





mnottertail -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/26/2016 11:08:12 PM)

It was right at first blush when Hillary tried it the first time. National Single Payer Universal.


seize and sell out the insurance companies.


All those nots are insurance companies, not the law.




Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/26/2016 11:11:49 PM)

WASHINGTON — Clint Murphy let the deadline for getting health insurance by the new year pass without a second thought.

Mr. Murphy, an engineer in Sulphur Springs, Tex., estimates that under the Affordable Care Act, he will face a penalty of $1,800 for going uninsured in 2016. But in his view, paying that penalty is worth it if he can avoid buying an insurance policy that costs $2,900 or more. All he has to do is stay healthy.

“I don’t see the logic behind that, and I’m just not going to do it,” said Mr. Murphy, 45, who became uninsured in April after leaving a job with health benefits to pursue contract work. “The fine is still going to be cheaper.”

Two years after the Affordable Care Act began requiring most Americans to have health insurance, 10.5 million who are eligible to buy coverage through the law’s new insurance exchanges were still uninsured this fall, according to the Obama administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/us/many-see-irs-fines-as-more-affordable-than-insurance.html?_r=0






Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/26/2016 11:19:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It was right at first blush when Hillary tried it the first time. National Single Payer Universal.


seize and sell out the insurance companies.


All those nots are insurance companies, not the law.



the part they forgot about before creating a monopoly complete with fines and penalties for noncompliance.

Trump has it right that it was designed to fail and should be repealed, and a new plan should be his forst order of business to save america from the these career political criminals who are doing nothing more than extorting everyones money.

If this was such a good play there would bee no need to have the irs forcing people into it at gun point.

We all knew it was doomed from the very beginning when hillary anounced it. (well except the nutsuckers)




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 5:54:28 AM)

I expect they thought the deals they had made with insurance companies would be honored. they were not. Part out the insurance companies and sell them off and put the money in national single payer. Then repeal any restrictive legislation such as the government cannot set prices or bargain on pharma costs etc.




Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 6:22:37 AM)

so then you agree that a vote for hillary is a vote for the titanic, interesting.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 9:14:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

so then you agree that a vote for hillary is a vote for the titanic, interesting.

No, shiteater. I agree that you are a retard with some serious mental defects that make your fantasy world seem real.

Thats as far as we agree, ever.
gubmint-foef-allodial-foef-gubmint.




Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 9:35:23 AM)

but snotty you just admitted that the gubblemint should repeal and go to single payer, so we agree on repeal and you agree with trump that the catastophe should be repealed




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 10:30:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

but snotty you just admitted that the gubblemint should repeal and go to single payer, so we agree on repeal and you agree with trump that the catastophe should be repealed

I did not.

I said that we should replace with national single payer, peddle the insurance companies and replace some laws.

We do not agree on repeal. I dont agree with your horseshit, and I dont agree with trumps horseshit. Never repeal the law. Replace it. You dont hispeekie engliche, dumbass.




WhoreMods -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 10:31:38 AM)

Star Trek is more interesting than this bullshit.
(The observant will notice something wrong with this list...)




Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 12:24:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

but snotty you just admitted that the gubblemint should repeal and go to single payer, so we agree on repeal and you agree with trump that the catastophe should be repealed

I did not.

I said that we should replace with national single payer, peddle the insurance companies and replace some laws.

We do not agree on repeal. I dont agree with your horseshit, and I dont agree with trumps horseshit. Never repeal the law. Replace it. You dont hispeekie engliche, dumbass.




and thats going to 'fix' what?





mnottertail -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 1:20:08 PM)

gubmint-alloidal-foef-gubmint-eeyul-eeyul. what else is there with you?




Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 1:41:30 PM)

and the 1 trick pony just ran out of gas.

nice to see we are back to status quo with you

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take your meds you will feel much better tomorrow.




popeye1250 -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 2:14:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Yep hillary supports obamacare, a system that cannot work in America.


Average Obamacare premiums are spiking 25%, and 115% spike in Arizona.


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/obamacare-premiums-will-increase-about-25-year



yep all those promises, 'affordable' (NOT), keep your own doc (NOT), several insurers (NOT), and on and on another huge pack of lies and hillarys plan is to ride that titanic all the way to the bottom!

Trump has it right, repeal this shit deal and start over.




quote:



Cannon is director of health policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute
The recent exodus of insurers shows we need more reliable affordable care

They’re dropping like flies.

The health-insurance giant Aetna has announced it will exit 11 of the 15 health-insurance exchanges where it sells Obamacare plans. Aetna’s announcement comes on the heels of news that UnitedHealthcare, Humana, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of New Mexico, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota, and Texas’ Scott and White Health Plan, and 70% of Obamacare’s failed Co-Ops, and other insurers will exit many or all of the exchanges for which they had previously shown such enthusiasm.

The ongoing and nationwide exodus of insurers is just the latest piece of evidence that Obamacare is a failed law built on false promises.

And Hillary wants to ,....."re-visit" "NAFTA" too! Now what do you think she *really* means by that?
If something is that bad or doesn't work you shit-can it not make more of it!
I would guess that "revisit" Nafta would mean that she would try to tweak it or some such thing. She never was that bright."Tweaking" is; "O.K. I'm going to shovel 1/3 of that pile of horse shitover here, see, TWEAKED!"




Hillwilliam -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 2:17:45 PM)

Why do people keep calling it "Obamacare" when it really should be called "Romneycare"?




Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 2:25:56 PM)

hillary first introduced it and was shot down in flames, what we have today is the same shit with a different nameplate. Ohaha will take the fall and hillary would only put a couple of bandaids on it to take it off the table for another year or two till the next group of problems come up, meantime you are being wallet raped and cant do shit about it.




Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 2:30:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Yep hillary supports obamacare, a system that cannot work in America.


Average Obamacare premiums are spiking 25%, and 115% spike in Arizona.


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/obamacare-premiums-will-increase-about-25-year



yep all those promises, 'affordable' (NOT), keep your own doc (NOT), several insurers (NOT), and on and on another huge pack of lies and hillarys plan is to ride that titanic all the way to the bottom!

Trump has it right, repeal this shit deal and start over.




quote:



Cannon is director of health policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute
The recent exodus of insurers shows we need more reliable affordable care

They’re dropping like flies.

The health-insurance giant Aetna has announced it will exit 11 of the 15 health-insurance exchanges where it sells Obamacare plans. Aetna’s announcement comes on the heels of news that UnitedHealthcare, Humana, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of New Mexico, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota, and Texas’ Scott and White Health Plan, and 70% of Obamacare’s failed Co-Ops, and other insurers will exit many or all of the exchanges for which they had previously shown such enthusiasm.

The ongoing and nationwide exodus of insurers is just the latest piece of evidence that Obamacare is a failed law built on false promises.



And Hillary wants to ,....."re-visit" "NAFTA" too! Now what do you think she *really* means by that?
If something is that bad or doesn't work you shit-can it not make more of it!
I would guess that "revisit" Nafta would mean that she would try to tweak it or some such thing. She never was that bright."Tweaking" is; "O.K. I'm going to shovel 1/3 of that pile of horse shitover here, see, TWEAKED!"




the top of the food chain and career politicians are gettting filthy wealthy with this shit.





mnottertail -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 2:32:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

hillary first introduced it and was shot down in flames, what we have today is the same shit with a different nameplate. Ohaha will take the fall and hillary would only put a couple of bandaids on it to take it off the table for another year or two till the next group of problems come up, meantime you are being wallet raped and cant do shit about it.

No she did not. not even close. zero trick pony is all puckered up and ready to toiletlick.




Real0ne -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 2:39:41 PM)

Bill Clinton made health care reform one of his highest priorities; the First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton chaired the Task Force on National Health Care Reform.




mnottertail -> RE: Hillary's ObamaCare Takeover (10/27/2016 2:58:59 PM)

Yup, I am aware of that. We all are, that don't make the ACA that effort.





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