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UllrsIshtar -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/29/2016 8:48:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

I can see that argument, and I agree that calling somebody on behavior isn't the same as calling somebody on their DNA.

But that still leaves the fact that there's offensive ways, and polite(r) ways to call somebody on their behavior.
I personally don't believe in using language that's deliberately offensive with a person who hasn't provoked such language by they themselves stooping to it first, and I've never seen Greta trow around insulting terms to people. Though her language can be harsh and direct sometimes, she doesn't stoop to name calling.



Some (and I'd be one of them) would argue that if the behavior that's being "called out" is particularly scummy, one need not be all that polite, when calling it out.

For example: Am I stepping over a line when I call a child molester a "sick scumbag"? I don't think so.

We're all allowed to decide what behavior is egregious to us and what behavior is just a "toe over the line".

In return, the rest of us are allowed to decide if calling someone a "slut" is out of bounds or not.

Free speech is a beautiful thing.

As an aside: I realize that the moderation these days moves at the pace of a lame snail, but as the father of a child who is not all white, I would appreciate a little less liberal use of the "N word".

Someone comes along to bash me in three ... two ...



Michael



Fair enough. If that suits you, have at it.

That still leaves the fact that I personally don't believe in using derogatory language towards people who have not provoked such language by using it first (and even if they use it first I usually still don't believe it warranted, because in that case I'm most likely out of things I desire to say to them altogether).

I'm not here to fling mud at monkeys. I'm here because it's helpful (in a diary writing kinda way) to write out my thoughts and because here and there other people say things that make me think about something in a new way.
In order to do that, I desire to have conversations, no matter how heated they might get. An exchange of ideas.

Which cannot, and does not happen once the mudslinging begins. At the point random insults are flying around, nobody is listening anymore, or paying any attention to what the other party says, and so both might as well be screaming at a wall. Even derogatory language isn't effective to drive home a point at that point, because the other party has long stopped listening or paying attention anyways.

I don't find that to be productive, if you do... well, to paraphrase what you said: it's a free WWW.

PS: Freedom of speech doesn't apply in this case, because it's a right that specifically related to having the freedom to express one's thoughts or ideas without the fear of government retribution. This is a private website, and the government isn't involved. As such, the owner of the website could chose to restrict your speech in any way he pleases (including making certain words such as 'slut' or the n-word off-limits) without it every infringing on your freedom of speech.




BamaD -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/29/2016 8:52:39 PM)

For example: Am I stepping over a line when I call a child molester a "sick scumbag"? I don't think so.



I think in that case you are being nice.
Personally I think they should be turned over to the parents with a blank check as to what they do to him.




MaryMaryProDom -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/29/2016 8:59:53 PM)

I miss the good old days when a Moderator would step in and ban those people who hijack threads.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/29/2016 9:04:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

PS: Freedom of speech doesn't apply in this case, because it's a right that specifically related to having the freedom to express one's thoughts or ideas without the fear of government retribution. This is a private website, and the government isn't involved. As such, the owner of the website could chose to restrict your speech in any way he pleases (including making certain words such as 'slut' or the n-word off-limits) without it every infringing on your freedom of speech.



I wasn't conflating Freedom of Speech with what goes on here. My last paragraph started with: "As an aside ..." (and yes, I appreciate the irony of advocating for free speech while politely asking people to not throw around a word that is personally offensive to me).

In regards to that last paragraph of mine: my son was gone about three months and some friends dragged me out to a karaoke bar I used to frequent, many years before. It was about 15 miles from where I lived and it was right on the border of "farm country" as opposed to the city in which I lived (the bar was in Old Bridge, NJ and I lived in New Brunswick).

I was outside, having a smoke and some random (turns out he was an asshole) guy asked me: "You look familiar. Where are you from?"

I told him I lived in New Brunswick.

He said: "Oh, you live in "N _ _ _ erville! Yeah, I don't know how any self-respecting white person could live in the middle of all those darkies."

In my mind, I was already measuring the size of the hole I'd have to dig for this asshole.

I handled it a bit more diplomatically.

"My son, who spent his entire adult life protecting the rights of assholes like you to be as offensive as they wish, would probably appreciate you exercising your right a little less freely. In honor of his service and his memory, would you shut that fucking sewer under your nose, please?"

Somehow, I was cast as the asshole. I think my request, here was a bit more mannerly. All the more reason I won't repeal it, but will repeat it.



Michael





needlesandpins -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 4:51:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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Wow, you know what, I've said I've before, and I'm going to say it again; Your chosen screen name is seriously an oxymoron.

Needles
Look, if you've been slutting around for years and have reached the point where no decent man wants you, that is entirely your own problem. Don't bitch and complain about the fact that some men have standards.





Ah well see, there in lies the error of your assumptions. The defense of a fellow woman in having the right to the same choices as a guy to fuck around is not the same in having actually having done it myself. I haven't. For me personally I find it very cold, empty, and boring, but I will still defend the rights of others to do the same as men get the pat on the back for.

Just because you're a misogynist that doesn't grasp the concept of a woman actually having sexual freedom to do as she pleases is not my fault. That's YOUR very narrow view on life.

I have chosen to remain single for the last couple of years having spent the previous 22 with 2 different men. You see, I'm whole on my own, I actually do not need a man in my life to make me complete, and I certainly don't need to be in a relationship to validate my opinions.

You have no clue as to what men want me, but please, go ahead, keep throwing your little man digs at me. So far the offence, and insult factor is about as empty as your argument. Please try harder sweetie because you're failing this module.

Needles




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 5:50:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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And for your assertion (that a few have also taken) "What you're doing isn't any different than if you had a black friend who politely told you he didn't appreciated being called a nigger", Greta had admitted that she didn't respond to him at all so the guy had not been told she didn't appreciate the term.
Her exact words in her post were: "BTW, just for context, I haven't even replied him."


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You are doing it by continuing to insist on calling her a slut when she's told you she doesn't appreciate the term. Not the guy.


It wasn't me calling her a slut, and I'm still not calling her a slut.

She made a post that she objected to being called one from some communication she'd received from a guy that she didn't reply to.
She denied she fitted the meaning of one definition and disowned the word.
And it wouldn't be the first time that her definitions of things don't meet the real world.

I'm just saying that she does in fact fit one of the meanings of the word that the guy used.
I cited many dictionaries as well as Wiki.
Again, it wasn't me calling her it as I'm being accused of here.

And seeing as many are jumping on the bandwagon, it has definitely drifted off the rails.
So I will no longer say any more on the word.


As for the topic, I also don't necessarily agree that women want the same as men.
They might want the same sort of thing as men but in a different way.

I think that a lot of women do want some sort of cerebral attachment to their sexual activities.
A lot of men, outside of any relationship attachment, are quite happy (and actually prefer) anything NSA that doesn't require the use of grey cells.
In that sense, the little head is quite adept at detaching itself from it's owner.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 8:05:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

And for your assertion (that a few have also taken) "What you're doing isn't any different than if you had a black friend who politely told you he didn't appreciated being called a nigger", Greta had admitted that she didn't respond to him at all so the guy had not been told she didn't appreciate the term.
Her exact words in her post were: "BTW, just for context, I haven't even replied him."


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You are doing it by continuing to insist on calling her a slut when she's told you she doesn't appreciate the term. Not the guy.


It wasn't me calling her a slut, and I'm still not calling her a slut.

She made a post that she objected to being called one from some communication she'd received from a guy that she didn't reply to.
She denied she fitted the meaning of one definition and disowned the word.
And it wouldn't be the first time that her definitions of things don't meet the real world.

I'm just saying that she does in fact fit one of the meanings of the word that the guy used.
I cited many dictionaries as well as Wiki.
Again, it wasn't me calling her it as I'm being accused of here.

And seeing as many are jumping on the bandwagon, it has definitely drifted off the rails.
So I will no longer say any more on the word.


As for the topic, I also don't necessarily agree that women want the same as men.
They might want the same sort of thing as men but in a different way.

I think that a lot of women do want some sort of cerebral attachment to their sexual activities.
A lot of men, outside of any relationship attachment, are quite happy (and actually prefer) anything NSA that doesn't require the use of grey cells.
In that sense, the little head is quite adept at detaching itself from it's owner.


Oh bullshit. Man up and take responsibility for what you wrote.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 10:53:22 AM)

So tell me, why do you have such an unreasonable hate on for Greta, what did she do that pissed you off so much that you hve to attack her in every thread she appears in?




MoxieMcfly -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 1:33:22 PM)

There is a saying: Water, Water every where, nor a drop to drink. If a woman wants snuggles and sex, all she has to do is find a man she wants to do those things with. Not overly abundant at all. A man she wants to do those things with, might be incredibly difficult to find.

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If a man wants sex, all he has to do is join a site and pay a woman for it.
If a man wants to just cuddle, there are sites for that too.
I know one woman who will kiss for $$ per hour.
Holding hands, cuddling, kissing, etc... is all available for a man for a price.

However, don't women want these things too?
Or is it just these activities are overly abundant for women that they don't have to pay for it?




Greta75 -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 5:53:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Her exact words in her post were: "BTW, just for context, I haven't even replied him."


What I posted was his second nasty message to me, AFTER I haven't replied his FIRST fawning message about how much he loves my profile and wants to get to know me!

Read my post carefully! That's what I mean by I haven't even replied. I haven't replied his first message to deserve the second message. He could have ignored me.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 5:55:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Her exact words in her post were: "BTW, just for context, I haven't even replied him."


What I posted was his second nasty message to me, AFTER I haven't replied his FIRST fawning message about how much he loves my profile and wants to get to know me!

Read my post carefully! That's what I mean by I haven't even replied. I haven't replied his first message to deserve the second message. He could have ignored me.


Greta, ignore the guy who emailed you, and ignore FD too. He's pulling a Trumpism and denying what he said. Not worth your time.




Greta75 -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 6:01:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Greta is promiscuous and uses men. For both sex and anything else she can get out of them. She prides herself on her lack of reciprocation for all they do for her. She's a slut... and frankly, something of a cunt, to boot. If she finds that offensive, but insists on continually bringing up her sexual attitudes on the board, then there's really not much anyone can do. She's going to get judged for it. Which means she either has to let it drop or harden up and stop caring what anonymous internet people think of her.

Actually, when I do things for people, I don't expect reciprocation. I don't know why people are so focus on reciprocation. And I tend to hook up with people who have sex with me without expecting reciprocation of anything.
Sex should be just all about pure mutual enjoyment. There shouldn't be other terms and conditions attached to it, except the pure mutual enjoyment of both parties enjoying each other.

But I also disagree with your other assertion about female and males. There are males who get sex easily, like sooo easily. End of the day, 2 things get you sex. A personality or good looks. You just need one of those whether male or female.

I am sure there are dominants here with nicer profile who get female attention too.

In my casual sex experience, men have standards these days too. For your assertion to be true, you are saying, most men have no standards and would fuck any woman. THAT is not true. As I am sure, you have standards yourself and you are not exclusively like this in the male world.

There are women who wish they could get laid freely without getting judged for it, but never done it. Thanks to this continuous double standards towards women who wants to enjoy sex for sex. So I will continually call out men who practice this double standards oppressing women from enjoying sex.





Greta75 -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 6:08:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
Greta, ignore the guy who emailed you, and ignore FD too. He's pulling a Trumpism and denying what he said. Not worth your time.

I have ignored the guy who emailed me that's for sure. His first message and second message was like world's apart. I just had a damn long 14 hour day at work that day, and saw his nice first message before I went to work who proclaim our compatibility with each other, thought it was a nice guy, then came home to his nasty second message. And it's like, he was angry at me for having a sex life, and initially, I was just pissed off that I haven't even said anything to him. But later on, it's like, it's always good that people show their true colours and ugly characters within second message. Or I'd be wasting my time ping ponging with this dude, not knowing about this side of him.




PeonForHer -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 6:14:55 PM)

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Oh fuck off. Men and women live in totally different worlds. A man who fucks a lot of women is doing well. A woman who fucks a lot of men is NOT. There are entirely valid reasons why men and women are judged differently.


Oh shut up, A. Please stop trying to ram your half-baked biological-determinism-based worldview down everyone's throats. If you want to see yourself as a chimpanzee, fine. The rest of us don't want to see ourselves as chimpanzees, because we're actually not chimpanzees, and that is that.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 6:20:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
Greta, ignore the guy who emailed you, and ignore FD too. He's pulling a Trumpism and denying what he said. Not worth your time.

I have ignored the guy who emailed me that's for sure. His first message and second message was like world's apart. I just had a damn long 14 hour day at work that day, and saw his nice first message before I went to work who proclaim our compatibility with each other, thought it was a nice guy, then came home to his nasty second message. And it's like, he was angry at me for having a sex life, and initially, I was just pissed off that I haven't even said anything to him. But later on, it's like, it's always good that people show their true colours and ugly characters within second message. Or I'd be wasting my time ping ponging with this dude, not knowing about this side of him.


The men on here tend to show their true selves pretty quickly. It saves a lot of time.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 8:10:24 PM)

Why are we discussing the other thread's topic in this thread instead of the other thread?




Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/30/2016 9:59:22 PM)

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Oh fuck off. Men and women live in totally different worlds. A man who fucks a lot of women is doing well. A woman who fucks a lot of men is NOT. There are entirely valid reasons why men and women are judged differently.


Oh shut up, A. Please stop trying to ram your half-baked biological-determinism-based worldview down everyone's throats. If you want to see yourself as a chimpanzee, fine. The rest of us don't want to see ourselves as chimpanzees, because we're actually not chimpanzees, and that is that.
Peon, shove a fucking tampon in your bleeding vagina and hire some hideous wildebeest to peg you till you scream for mercy. You sure as shit aren't going to get women with the weak-minded pussy of an attitude you currently have, so you may as well fucking pay for it.




PeonForHer -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/31/2016 2:51:41 AM)



But I do get women, Awareness. I do quite nicely there, actually. [:)] Now, google 'soap' to find out what it is, go and get a bar, and wash your mouth out with it.




Awareness -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/31/2016 7:12:29 AM)

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But I do get women, Awareness. I do quite nicely there, actually. [:)] Now, google 'soap' to find out what it is, go and get a bar, and wash your mouth out with it.
You weak-minded fool. Christ you're thick as a plank! [:D] [:D] [:D]




PeonForHer -> RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? (10/31/2016 1:45:27 PM)

Only a fruitcake would think that. ;)




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