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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/30/2016 6:11:02 PM   
thompsonx


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"In amerika one is innocent till proved guilty. If you are proved guilty you are innocent. Maybe you should consult a fifth grade english teacher to help yu with the grammar. "


You also don't seem to understand the concept of which you speak - innocent until proven guilty. No, that is not it, you are PRESUMED innocent until proven guilty.

The difference between presumed innocent and innocent is ???? If you do not know don't be afraid to show your ignorance, go ask a grown up.


Come on and rape one of my little cousin in laws and leave no evidence,


It is pretty difficult to rape one of those round heeled sluts since they have a quarter slot behind their ear and a meter mounted on their head.

if they point the finger at you, you will find out how innocent my .38 finds you.
You keep telling me how you are going to kill me yet I find you conspiciously absent from the parade I attend each week at mcrd. doesn't mapquest work on your computer?

I know the guy is an asshole but still. Ad Cliven Bundy is going to get off.


He is also innocent because he has not been proven guilty.

That is what I said. Thank you for agreeing with me.

< Message edited by thompsonx -- 10/30/2016 6:27:04 PM >

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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/30/2016 6:18:42 PM   
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IN LAW you fucking moron. Not necessarily in fact.

Your mother would be the fucking moron, first for having sex with multi colored dogs and buterflys, secondly for allowing you to live.
I, on the other hand, am the one pointing out your ignorance. It is not a "fact" until you are proved guilty.





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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/30/2016 6:26:37 PM   
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you have had three different people, awareness, curmudgeonly, termyn8, explain to you in plain English, how your view on the matter of guilt and innocence when it comes to jurisprudence is mistaken.


Actually We have had three ignorant fools making noise with their mouths and nothing more.


having read their positions, I found they said the same things to you I would have said;

Now we have a fourth fool making noises with his mouth. Looks like a circle jerk to me.


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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/30/2016 10:05:16 PM   
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And we have one person who is such a fucking idiot he cannot understand the difference between being innocent and simply not able to be proven guilty.

Guess who that is.

T^T

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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/30/2016 10:12:44 PM   
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If the Bundys staged an armed insurrection, who were they trying to overthrow?
How many buildings did they destroy?
How many people did they kill?
How many people did they shoot at?
How many people, before the arrest did they even point their guns at?
Doesn't really fit an armed insurrection does it. Sounds more like a armed sit in.

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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/30/2016 11:29:24 PM   
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I did not say they were guilty but not proven so. I was trying to get it through someone's thick fucking head about the difference between presumed innocence and actual innocence. The Bundys, well actually how many were there there ? Ammand, what, did he bring siblings ? And they got Cliven in jail pending trial and I now the dude has money so they probably set the bail really high. Just because they do not like him. He is not a flight risk, he has too much to lose here. Plus the fact that he might just win because they beat him that means they own every fucking blade of grass and at least a third of the people in this country will not like that. I don't. I say if nobody specific owns the lad, that no claim has been made o n it then let your cows eat the grass.

And you know what, if they don't, those goniffs in government would charge us to mow it and to dispose of the clippings. And then they'll sell the clippings to someone who will mulch it and we will never see a dime of that money. It will just disappear like the trillion dollars the fed "lost" and Alan Grayson was looking for. Yes, a democrat who can do math. Just because of how he grilled the fed over that I would vote for him but he is apparently like the smart republicans, simply not interested in running.

Those people in Oregon or whatever should not have done what they did. It proved nothing. McVeigh should not have done what he did, he set every patriot back bigtime. These ill thought out actions do not help. McVeigh should have gotten 47 others to blow a federal building at the same time, and that means midnight, but 11PM, 1AM, 2AM as required because of time zones. All at the same time to show those motherfuckers we can get our shit together. Now that would have been a shot heard around the world eh ?

Ever think of targets ? Look at 911. They could have run all those jets into the whitehouse but they didn't. They could have killed alot more people, but that was not the plan. They killed 3,000 which is a drop in the bucket. Hospitals killed more people that week. And alot more than 3,000 worked there, who called all of them and told them to take the day off ? How come those building were double insured and the owner tried to collect twice but the insurance companies told him to go pound salt ? I don't see that guy even CHARGED with insurance fraud.

And the hijackers ? All this for 72 virgins ? Why virgins ? They got small dicks ? They don't know how to satisfy a Woman ? I like one with some experience, why do they want virgins all the time ? But then this government goes on a manhunt for the hijackers, THEY ARE DEAD, didn't you see the planes ? But of course we got people who say there were no planes. I don't buy into that conspiracy theory, there are just too many people in NYC for them to get that off. And building seven went down because of the percussion - it set off the self destruct charges. You put a building up that high in an urban area you have to provide a way to demolish it without demolishing half the city. That is why the buildings pretty much fell down on themself. They were designed to. What's more, what alot of people do not know, those buildings were pretty close to EOL. (end of life) And they were nowhere near full occupancy.

Bottom line, in this country it is not what you do it is who you are. Like they bitch about all of Trump's lawsuits, they don't seem to get the fact that he is the plaintiff in most of them. They say he won't pay. Well maybe not, maybe he won't pay $3,000 to get a toilet fixed. Maybe people see those deep pockets and want to fuck him.

The court system proves almost nothing, they simply make legal judgements about disputes and breaking the laws. They are not perfect of course. But some people are so fucking dense they cannot comprehend that. Courts are also corrupt. They can stick it to you, but if you know what you're doing you can stick it back. For example you have signed and notarized testimony from witnesses at the scene and the court says they are inadmissable, well you tell the court they will be at the appeal. Getting overturned on appeal is like kryptonite to a judge.

And this is the kind of shit the Bundys know. And just what did Cliven do ? Nobody got shot, aqnd even if they did he didn't do it. He got a bunch of friends n shit to come and stand up to a government who claims they own every blade of grass. I see nothing wrong with that. Grazing fees my ass. All they want is the fucking money, which means that he is actually in debtor's prison. What's more, his family's claim on that land predates theirs. He has alot of public support for good reason, among those of us who can reason. I hope he sues and gets a million dollars a day for sitting in jail.

The government is going too far, and there will be more shit like this happening. But the people with the balls to do it have to develop a brain and figure out what to do. They took over a ranger station in bumfuct Oregon somewhere nobody ever heard of. Want change ?

How about BLM ? Stupid fucks get themselves on a list by marching and having meetings. What people like me would do is to get about 25 n_____s with AK-47s and just shoot up the police station. But that is none of my business. Plus I am too old for shit like that. But people are all engaging in non-productive efforts. The cops are racist ? Find out where they are and kill them. Don't burn down the fucking KFC. Hit who needs to be hit.

So it is not just the courts. the police give evidence to the courts and are well capable of modifying it. Most of it is their testimony and they can modify the living shit out of that, unless they are on camera. I am White, White as they come and I agree with BLM. I also understand the problem, White cops are afraid of Blacks, especially big hairy ones that look like they could eat your car and barely burp. I ask, what happened to physical training ? Cops should know martial arts so they don't have to be afraid. They also should know how to shoot so they don't waste 41 rounds on a guy with a knife.

Really, people are getting fed up with how this government works, on all levels. And the thing is, in countries where they have no guns they will have to comply, no resistance is possible. And a bunch of the idiots actually like it that way. But here, I really believe shit is going to start happening more and more.

And it is about time.

T^T

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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/31/2016 12:09:13 AM   
Greta75


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From my point of view. There are peaceful way of protesting and aggressive way of protesting.
They hijacked public property and occupied it for days, that does not seem the right way to stage a protest. I believe in their grievances that caused their actions, but at the same time, a slap on the wrist type of warning would still be good.

I don't think they had any intention to cause harm or hurt people. They just wanted media attention and to be heard.

But there should be right ways going about this and a slap on the wrist type of sentence, would just serve as a gentle reminder to protest without over taking buildings next time!

But to rule that they have not committed any offense, is saying, they can do this again and it's okay to do so again! That's what it seems like.

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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/31/2016 12:10:17 AM   
BamaD


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I did not say they were guilty but not proven so. I was trying to get it through someone's thick fucking head about the difference between presumed innocence and actual innocence. The Bundys, well actually how many were there there ? Ammand, what, did he bring siblings ? And they got Cliven in jail pending trial and I now the dude has money so they probably set the bail really high. Just because they do not like him. He is not a flight risk, he has too much to lose here. Plus the fact that he might just win because they beat him that means they own every fucking blade of grass and at least a third of the people in this country will not like that. I don't. I say if nobody specific owns the lad, that no claim has been made o n it then let your cows eat the grass.

And you know what, if they don't, those goniffs in government would charge us to mow it and to dispose of the clippings. And then they'll sell the clippings to someone who will mulch it and we will never see a dime of that money. It will just disappear like the trillion dollars the fed "lost" and Alan Grayson was looking for. Yes, a democrat who can do math. Just because of how he grilled the fed over that I would vote for him but he is apparently like the smart republicans, simply not interested in running.

Those people in Oregon or whatever should not have done what they did. It proved nothing. McVeigh should not have done what he did, he set every patriot back bigtime. These ill thought out actions do not help. McVeigh should have gotten 47 others to blow a federal building at the same time, and that means midnight, but 11PM, 1AM, 2AM as required because of time zones. All at the same time to show those motherfuckers we can get our shit together. Now that would have been a shot heard around the world eh ?

Ever think of targets ? Look at 911. They could have run all those jets into the whitehouse but they didn't. They could have killed alot more people, but that was not the plan. They killed 3,000 which is a drop in the bucket. Hospitals killed more people that week. And alot more than 3,000 worked there, who called all of them and told them to take the day off ? How come those building were double insured and the owner tried to collect twice but the insurance companies told him to go pound salt ? I don't see that guy even CHARGED with insurance fraud.

And the hijackers ? All this for 72 virgins ? Why virgins ? They got small dicks ? They don't know how to satisfy a Woman ? I like one with some experience, why do they want virgins all the time ? But then this government goes on a manhunt for the hijackers, THEY ARE DEAD, didn't you see the planes ? But of course we got people who say there were no planes. I don't buy into that conspiracy theory, there are just too many people in NYC for them to get that off. And building seven went down because of the percussion - it set off the self destruct charges. You put a building up that high in an urban area you have to provide a way to demolish it without demolishing half the city. That is why the buildings pretty much fell down on themself. They were designed to. What's more, what alot of people do not know, those buildings were pretty close to EOL. (end of life) And they were nowhere near full occupancy.

Bottom line, in this country it is not what you do it is who you are. Like they bitch about all of Trump's lawsuits, they don't seem to get the fact that he is the plaintiff in most of them. They say he won't pay. Well maybe not, maybe he won't pay $3,000 to get a toilet fixed. Maybe people see those deep pockets and want to fuck him.

The court system proves almost nothing, they simply make legal judgements about disputes and breaking the laws. They are not perfect of course. But some people are so fucking dense they cannot comprehend that. Courts are also corrupt. They can stick it to you, but if you know what you're doing you can stick it back. For example you have signed and notarized testimony from witnesses at the scene and the court says they are inadmissable, well you tell the court they will be at the appeal. Getting overturned on appeal is like kryptonite to a judge.

And this is the kind of shit the Bundys know. And just what did Cliven do ? Nobody got shot, aqnd even if they did he didn't do it. He got a bunch of friends n shit to come and stand up to a government who claims they own every blade of grass. I see nothing wrong with that. Grazing fees my ass. All they want is the fucking money, which means that he is actually in debtor's prison. What's more, his family's claim on that land predates theirs. He has alot of public support for good reason, among those of us who can reason. I hope he sues and gets a million dollars a day for sitting in jail.

The government is going too far, and there will be more shit like this happening. But the people with the balls to do it have to develop a brain and figure out what to do. They took over a ranger station in bumfuct Oregon somewhere nobody ever heard of. Want change ?

How about BLM ? Stupid fucks get themselves on a list by marching and having meetings. What people like me would do is to get about 25 n_____s with AK-47s and just shoot up the police station. But that is none of my business. Plus I am too old for shit like that. But people are all engaging in non-productive efforts. The cops are racist ? Find out where they are and kill them. Don't burn down the fucking KFC. Hit who needs to be hit.

So it is not just the courts. the police give evidence to the courts and are well capable of modifying it. Most of it is their testimony and they can modify the living shit out of that, unless they are on camera. I am White, White as they come and I agree with BLM. I also understand the problem, White cops are afraid of Blacks, especially big hairy ones that look like they could eat your car and barely burp. I ask, what happened to physical training ? Cops should know martial arts so they don't have to be afraid. They also should know how to shoot so they don't waste 41 rounds on a guy with a knife.

Really, people are getting fed up with how this government works, on all levels. And the thing is, in countries where they have no guns they will have to comply, no resistance is possible. And a bunch of the idiots actually like it that way. But here, I really believe shit is going to start happening more and more.

And it is about time.

T^T

That was a FR, and not aimed at you.

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RE: The Bundys' are acquitted - 10/31/2016 2:50:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

And we have one person who is such a fucking idiot he cannot understand the difference between being innocent and simply not able to be proven guilty.

Guess who that is.

T^T


ah, so that "thanking everyone for 'disabusing' him of his ignorance" wasn't forthcoming was it? what a surprise!

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