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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 7:51:53 AM   
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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 8:01:29 AM   
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Having had two female prime ministers I dont see the excitement, but yes, for americans its a first.
And as many will vote for the fact that she has a vaj as will vote against her, for that same vaj.
Both delusional.


Well, Canada's only female Prime Minister didnt last long, not even 6 months before she was kicked out.. she had a certain arrogance about her that I found to be very unattractive.. like her shite didnt stink or something.. there are certain things where I will pick a man over a woman (Doctors, for instance).. I hate Hillary and have for a long time, but Trump will be so much worse than her.. You would think in a country with 300+ million citizens that they could do better than this lot..

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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 8:08:37 AM   
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My name's not mike, it's "His Excellency, the most High Overlord of Earth and Plenipotentiary to the Heathens" and you will address me as such, you grovelling worm.

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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 8:09:34 AM   
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Merkel has clearly been disastrous for Germany.



Germany doesn't look like a disaster to me, and they've certainly had worse male Chancellors than Merkel.

No serious domestic problem has been from her. But she has arguably not dealt the best possible way with endogenously imposed problems such as the Greek credit crisis, which though of Greece's own making was hidden from view as long as it was because of interest rate swap deals done with American bank Goldman Sachs that hid the magnitude of their actual debt.

And the financial crisis imported from Wall St. Yes, Deutche Bank and other Euro banks got in on the action too, but Wall St. banks invented the financial instruments of destruction which induced lenders in the US to severely lower lending standards and cause an artificial housing boom designed to go bust.

And the increase in terrorism and surge in refugees in Germany and across Europe arising ultimately from the ME invasions.

All of that from men, mostly in the US.

None of that from Merkel.



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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 9:48:13 AM   
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Have you seen the movie?
Im not sure why you think no one on the left sees what he is saying.
Oh, maybe because nobody on the left is saying, "You know, I understand the frustration that drives people to support Trump." Instead, you're all saying, "TRUMP VOTERS ARE SEXIST AND RACIST AND HATE VAGINAS!!!!"

That's why Lucy. Because you on the left demonstrate no fucking insight whatsoever. You leap to easy explanations which feed your ego instead of asking the hard fucking questions that might require you to give up your delusional sense of superiority.


What was Bernie all about then, that wasnt millions of people on the left who werre fed up with the establishment, and wanted bernie? I thought YOU were a supporter. Oh and I have said plenty of times why people are angry iwth the way things are, you are so forgetful.
SO Im seriously wondering where you dragged this out of your fetid imagination
PS I even get why trumps BASE are like they are. so you are looking dumber with every fucking post


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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 10:09:55 AM   
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TRUMP VOTERS ARE SEXIST AND RACIST AND HATE VAGINAS!!!!

No dear that describes much of his base and you, but I know you arent a trump supporter. You are just a gormless moron.
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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 10:14:36 AM   
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I actually had a couple of stupid messages in my inbox last week, Trump supporters who wrote ugly messages to me because they had read some of my posts here on the forum. I wrote this on my journal after that, and now I am getting even more ugly messages. Its stupid.

Someone emailed me today and told me that they had read some of my posts on the message boards, and that they would not be friends with me because of my opinions regarding the clusterfuck that is this year's presidential election and my choice of a candidate.

My response to this was why the fuck would I care? I have never talked with this member before, never heard of them, so I am not exactly heartbroken over his rejection of me.

But had I known this person and had I cared whether or not they rejected my friendship because of my views, I would have responded along the lines of something like this:

I am sorry you feel that way. I normally go out of my way not to talk politics or religion with my friends, because people that I care about enough to call 'friend' are usually people that I care more about than any politics or religion, and I choose not to let those topics be an obstacle to me having wonderful people in my life.

I may feel strongly about individuals in politics, but that does not transfer to people in the general population. I have some very defined views about Clinton, Trump, candidates who have dropped out, 3rd party candidates, etc. But what I think about those people does not affect what I think about their supporters. There are earnest, educated, honest people out there who have sincere concerns about Trump as a leader. I appreciate that they care. There are earnest, educated, honest people out there who have sincere concerns about Clinton. I appreciate that they care. While I may not agree with a candidate's views, I don't shun the candidates' supporters because of that. We all have reasons for thinking and feeling what we do, and two people who have many life experiences in common may differ on their choices, for completely rational reasons.

Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of people who stun me with their stupidity regarding why they make their choices. But I believe in giving those people the chance to demonstrate their ignorance-I don't automatically assume they are ignorant because of their political choices.

For instance, if someone messages me and tells me that they plan on writing Mickey Mouse in as their choice as President, I don't automatically assume that they are a delusional idiot. At that point, I am still open to listening to whatever it is they have to say, regarding why they have contacted me.

But if their next line is to criticize me for my opinions, knowing nothing else about me, then yes, in that situation I may go straight to 'this person is a delusional idiot'.

And I don't feel bad about that.

I would feel bad if it came between me and a friend. I would want to talk to that person, show them that whatever bond we have is more important than something we may never have another reason to talk about, and I would like to know that the people I choose as friends would be able to see beyond this issue.

But the idiot that assumed that his opinions would mean enough to me that I would feel ashamed over them, when I don't even know him?

That person is just as arrogant as any of the people running for Prez.

Nine more days, folks...nine more days...

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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 12:01:34 PM   
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quote:

Merkel has clearly been disastrous for Germany.

Germany doesn't look like a disaster to me, and they've certainly had worse male Chancellors than Merkel.
It looks pretty bad right now.

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No serious domestic problem has been from her.
You sure about that?

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And the financial crisis imported from Wall St. Yes, Deutche Bank and other Euro banks got in on the action too, but Wall St. banks invented the financial instruments of destruction which induced lenders in the US to severely lower lending standards and cause an artificial housing boom designed to go bust.
This is not even close to a reasonable argument. The mortgage backed security was invented by Lewis Ranieri in the 70's, but the decision to engage in speculation on MBS derivatives such as CDO's and CDO squared was enabled by a lack of good regulation. Regulation is the province of the government.

That's why the Australian banks were basically observers in the global financial crisis. Australia's banking regulation - often cited as 'anti-competitive' - severely restricted the ability of the local banks to engage in the kind of irresponsible speculation that brought about the financial crisis.

Indeed, when Michael Berry wanted to bet against the housing market, who was it who created the Credit Default Swap which allowed him to do it? Yes, you guessed it - Deutsche Bank.

It's also Deutsche Bank with an asset management portfolio worth US 2 trillion who's currently on the hook for a USD 14 billion fine for doing what again? Selling the exact kind of Mortgage Backed Securities which precipitated the financial crisis. Specifically packaging low quality mortgages into shitty CDO's and getting them rated as AAA.

And funnily enough, they're not sure if they can afford the fine. So Deutsche Bank is in trouble.

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And the increase in terrorism and surge in refugees in Germany and across Europe arising ultimately from the ME invasions.
Poppycock. Germany has opened its borders to Islamic migrants and the society is already suffering an increase in rape and terrorism as a consequence. This is because Merkel is playing out her ideas on her country with no thought for the consequences.

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All of that from men, mostly in the US.
So Germany's mismanagement of its financial and domestic policy has nothing to do with the German Chancellor. Are you for real?

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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 1:22:52 PM   
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The fact that women have been appointed to power doesn't - in any way - support the idea that they can do the job well.

Fail.


And some might cite The Peter Principle.



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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 1:33:05 PM   
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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 3:11:59 PM   
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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 3:36:18 PM   
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... Are you for real?


Only Trump University is for real.

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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 6:01:53 PM   
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Merkel has clearly been disastrous for Germany.

Germany doesn't look like a disaster to me, and they've certainly had worse male Chancellors than Merkel.
It looks pretty bad right now.



Depends on point of view and what gauge one uses as qualification for "disaster." If measured by conditions in everyday life, the working world, etc., i.e., reality, then Germany hardly qualifies for that designation. If however one's sole focus is on if there are any Muslims in a country or not, then yes, Germany along with every other Western country is an unmitigated disaster by your estimation of things.

The US is the second largest exporter in the world (total EX, not net), Germany is the third largest, exporting 92% of what the US does, with Only 27% of the population. Hint; -not a disaster-.

And, accomplishing the above with the 'typical' German working 36-38 hrs. a week and 5-6 weeks vacation a year, some of spent going to Spanish beaches in the bargain. -Not a disaster-.

Oh look;

(net inc.=after tax AW=average wage P10=lowest tenth percentile)
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Net income at 50% AW, as % of median income Percentage Australia- 72.3 Germany- 75.2 USA- 61.2 OECD avg. 69.7

Net income at P10 Wage, as % of median income Percentage Australia- 71.3 Germany- 73.9 USA- 45.3 OECD avg. 70


Yeah ... I'm just not seeing the "German disaster" in all that. Can anyone else besides Awareness see it? Am I missing something here?

Sure sucks to be in the lowest tenth income percentile in the US, though, no question. A lot closer to what -I'd- call "disaster," for that unlucky lot.


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And the financial crisis imported from Wall St. Yes, Deutche Bank and other Euro banks got in on the action too, but Wall St. banks invented the financial instruments of destruction which induced lenders in the US to severely lower lending standards and cause an artificial housing boom designed to go bust.
This is not even close to a reasonable argument.


It's not an argument, it's a statement of facts.


quote:

The mortgage backed security was invented by Lewis Ranieri in the 70's,


Actually no. There was a commercial MBS market in the 1920s and FNMA started the government version in 1938. Ranieri revived the commercial practice at Soloman Bros. in the '70s, i.e., Wall St.

quote:

but the decision to engage in speculation on MBS derivatives such as CDO's and CDO squared was enabled by a lack of good regulation. Regulation is the province of the government.


Good boy! I've only said that a hundred times in this forum already. Like I said, all this crap started on Wall St., which you said was 'not an argument,' then say it started on Wall St. Not having the best reading comprehension day there, eh?

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Indeed, when Michael Berry wanted to bet against the housing market, who was it who created the Credit Default Swap which allowed him to do it? Yes, you guessed it - Deutsche Bank.


Wrong again. Credit default swaps came from JP Morgan in the latter '90s, paying premiums to a third party for them to insure the risk of their (Morgan's) assets (loans) for purpose of reducing their capital requirements. Only when the CDOs came along later did they get turned to that purpose. And Berry wasn't the first to utilize them that way in any case, he just made the biggest noise about it.

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It's also Deutsche Bank with an asset management portfolio worth US 2 trillion who's currently on the hook for a USD 14 billion fine for doing what again? Selling the exact kind of Mortgage Backed Securities which precipitated the financial crisis. Specifically packaging low quality mortgages into shitty CDO's and getting them rated as AAA.


Can you effing read? What I said, again;

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And the financial crisis imported from Wall St. Yes, Deutche Bank and other Euro banks got in on the action too, but Wall St. banks invented the financial instruments of destruction which induced lenders in the US to severely lower lending standards and cause an artificial housing boom designed to go bust.



One big German bank screwing up vs. at least ten major Wall St. banks and hundreds of loan broker/originator banks in the US, not Germany. Deutche Bank didn't invent the CDO or the credit default swaps nor were they a US rating agency.

Here again you are basically repeating what I said as argument against what I said. Some goood shit you got there, bruv.


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And the increase in terrorism and surge in refugees in Germany and across Europe arising ultimately from the ME invasions.
Poppycock. Germany has opened its borders to Islamic migrants ...


Refugees. Who would not be there if not for the ME invasions. Get an effing clue. Or just pay attention. Or something.

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All of that from men, mostly in the US.
So Germany's mismanagement of its financial and domestic policy has nothing to do with the German Chancellor. Are you for real?


Did I say that? No I didn't. Are you for real?

I said that the worst of Germany's problems have been imposed upon them by doings outside their own country and not of their own making. As for what part of troubles Germany did bring upon themselves, you have yet to convince anyone but the mirror that Merkel is even arguably worse in handling troubles in her country than her male counterparts in their respective countries, especially those considered the 'main players.'



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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 6:30:30 PM   
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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 7:04:06 PM   
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mike
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My name's not mike, it's "His Excellency, the most High Overlord of Earth and Plenipotentiary to the Heathens" and you will address me as such, you grovelling worm.

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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 9:19:20 PM   
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Im not sure why you think no one on the left sees what he is saying.


Awareness's understanding of 'the left' is perhaps less incisive than his understanding of feminism, I feel.

Well the fact that he believes there is a left in the US pretty much proves that.

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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/2/2016 10:12:41 PM   
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And some might cite The Peter Principle.



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Well ... I have to admit that it seemed ... appropriate?



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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/3/2016 1:29:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: Edwird
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Merkel has clearly been disastrous for Germany.

Germany doesn't look like a disaster to me, and they've certainly had worse male Chancellors than Merkel.
It looks pretty bad right now.



Depends on point of view and what gauge one uses as qualification for "disaster." If measured by conditions in everyday life, the working world, etc., i.e., reality, then Germany hardly qualifies for that designation. If however one's sole focus is on if there are any Muslims in a country or not, then yes, Germany along with every other Western country is an unmitigated disaster by your estimation of things.

The US is the second largest exporter in the world (total EX, not net), Germany is the third largest, exporting 92% of what the US does, with Only 27% of the population. Hint; -not a disaster-.

And, accomplishing the above with the 'typical' German working 36-38 hrs. a week and 5-6 weeks vacation a year, some of spent going to Spanish beaches in the bargain. -Not a disaster-.

Oh look;

(net inc.=after tax AW=average wage P10=lowest tenth percentile)
.
Net income at 50% AW, as % of median income Percentage Australia- 72.3 Germany- 75.2 USA- 61.2 OECD avg. 69.7

Net income at P10 Wage, as % of median income Percentage Australia- 71.3 Germany- 73.9 USA- 45.3 OECD avg. 70


Yeah ... I'm just not seeing the "German disaster" in all that. Can anyone else besides Awareness see it? Am I missing something here?

Sure sucks to be in the lowest tenth income percentile in the US, though, no question. A lot closer to what -I'd- call "disaster," for that unlucky lot.


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And the financial crisis imported from Wall St. Yes, Deutche Bank and other Euro banks got in on the action too, but Wall St. banks invented the financial instruments of destruction which induced lenders in the US to severely lower lending standards and cause an artificial housing boom designed to go bust.
This is not even close to a reasonable argument.


It's not an argument, it's a statement of facts.


quote:

The mortgage backed security was invented by Lewis Ranieri in the 70's,


Actually no. There was a commercial MBS market in the 1920s and FNMA started the government version in 1938. Ranieri revived the commercial practice at Soloman Bros. in the '70s, i.e., Wall St.

quote:

but the decision to engage in speculation on MBS derivatives such as CDO's and CDO squared was enabled by a lack of good regulation. Regulation is the province of the government.


Good boy! I've only said that a hundred times in this forum already. Like I said, all this crap started on Wall St., which you said was 'not an argument,' then say it started on Wall St. Not having the best reading comprehension day there, eh?

quote:

Indeed, when Michael Berry wanted to bet against the housing market, who was it who created the Credit Default Swap which allowed him to do it? Yes, you guessed it - Deutsche Bank.


Wrong again. Credit default swaps came from JP Morgan in the latter '90s, paying premiums to a third party for them to insure the risk of their (Morgan's) assets (loans) for purpose of reducing their capital requirements. Only when the CDOs came along later did they get turned to that purpose. And Berry wasn't the first to utilize them that way in any case, he just made the biggest noise about it.

quote:

It's also Deutsche Bank with an asset management portfolio worth US 2 trillion who's currently on the hook for a USD 14 billion fine for doing what again? Selling the exact kind of Mortgage Backed Securities which precipitated the financial crisis. Specifically packaging low quality mortgages into shitty CDO's and getting them rated as AAA.


Can you effing read? What I said, again;

quote:

And the financial crisis imported from Wall St. Yes, Deutche Bank and other Euro banks got in on the action too, but Wall St. banks invented the financial instruments of destruction which induced lenders in the US to severely lower lending standards and cause an artificial housing boom designed to go bust.



One big German bank screwing up vs. at least ten major Wall St. banks and hundreds of loan broker/originator banks in the US, not Germany. Deutche Bank didn't invent the CDO or the credit default swaps nor were they a US rating agency.

Here again you are basically repeating what I said as argument against what I said. Some goood shit you got there, bruv.


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And the increase in terrorism and surge in refugees in Germany and across Europe arising ultimately from the ME invasions.
Poppycock. Germany has opened its borders to Islamic migrants ...


Refugees. Who would not be there if not for the ME invasions. Get an effing clue. Or just pay attention. Or something.

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All of that from men, mostly in the US.
So Germany's mismanagement of its financial and domestic policy has nothing to do with the German Chancellor. Are you for real?


Did I say that? No I didn't. Are you for real?

I said that the worst of Germany's problems have been imposed upon them by doings outside their own country and not of their own making. As for what part of troubles Germany did bring upon themselves, you have yet to convince anyone but the mirror that Merkel is even arguably worse in handling troubles in her country than her male counterparts in their respective countries, especially those considered the 'main players.'



Among the early examples of MBS or mortgage-backed securities in the United States were the farm railroad mortgage bonds of the mid-19th century which contributed to the panic of 1857. HERE

The first CDO or collatrailzed debt obligation was issued in 1987 by bankers at now-defunct Drexel Burnham Lambert Inc. for the also now-defunct Imperial Savings Association. During the 1990s the collateral of CDOs was generally corporate and emerging market bonds and bank loans. HERE

The buyer of the CDS or credit default swap, makes a series of payments (the CDS "fee" or "spread") to the seller and, in exchange, receives a payoff if the loan defaults. It was invented by Blythe Masters from JP Morgan in 1994. HERE

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RE: Clinton Supporter Mike Moore demonstrates an insigh... - 11/3/2016 2:49:05 AM   
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Yes, I knew all that awhile ago, which is why I didn't have all the details perfectly.

The important point about credit default swaps, though, is that Masters and her crew (it wasn't just her) were looking for a way to reduce Morgan's capital requirements, which banks are always trying to do. They are required to have a certain amount of capital reserve in some proportion to loans outstanding so as to be able to absorb some amount of losses from defaults. Of course capital in reserve is capital not utilized for profit-making loans, hence the incentive for creative work-arounds. The new innovation of transferring risk from the loans to a third party freed up capital by reducing the risk-adjusted capital ratio.

-If done correctly-, which it was when used for that purpose, in the beginning, there is nothing unduly risky about it. It only works if the third party are able to back up a significant amount of potential losses from non-performing loans.

Fast-forward 6-8 years later and when CDSs were turned to purpose of 'insuring' CDOs, which were themselves put together based on much more foot lose and fancy free notions of risk, the financial fitness of these third parties was of less concern. AIG stopped issuing them in 2006 but by then they had issued so many that it sunk them 2 years later when it all crashed.

I laid all this and much more out for people to see at the time but the vast majority had no interest whatsoever. They had fallen hook line and sinker for the media's version of the story, which was that it was 100% the fault of greedy and spendthrift financial scofflaw home buyers and those who (the media loved saying this over and over) "used their equity like an ATM." And a great many of the finger-waggers who ate it up (because they were too stupid and lazy to dig any further) were so-called 'liberals.' Proud and self-righteous blame-the-victim liberals. Disgusting.

Poor people were 'irresponsible' because they couldn't understand (nor could anybody) a contract that the loan originators paid a lawyer $10,000 to write with purpose of as much obfuscation as possible. With fine-print obscure formulas that left completely indeterminate exactly what the interest rate and monthly payment would be two-three years hence.

Meanwhile, the investment banks cobbling together these multi-tranch CDOs needed more and more fodder to stuff them with, and kept increasing the pressure on loan originators to come up with more and more loans, however they could. Loan quality was of no concern, because they were just going to be fobbed off to the suckers buying the CDOs. People didn't actually ask for 'pay option' loans or ask for 'no income, no job' applications; they got them shoved in their faces.

So yeah, I don't need more 'explanations' from people who finally caught on 6-8 years after the fact (like Annoyness, above), when I got shouted down for that attempt myself at the time, while I was trying to help people in r.l work through the mess right in the middle of it when it was happening and saw what was really going on, aaand that just after my 'Money, Credit and Banking' class at the uni. What timing!

Anyway, I'm done with it.





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My name's not mike, it's "His Excellency, the most High Overlord of Earth and Plenipotentiary to the Heathens" and you will address me as such, you grovelling worm.

We just call you dumbass for short.

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