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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:14:23 PM   
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This is soooooo weird!

Why are there Chinese words?

Shouldn't it be Spanish since Hispanic people are probably the second biggest minority?

Wow!

Why Chinese words on election sheets?

Is there Chinese on every election sheet in every state?


I thought you were in Singapore. Are you a US citizen?

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:21:09 PM   
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I thought you were in Singapore. Are you a US citizen?

That ballot is in the picture is Eric Trump's voting ballot in NY.
I am in Singapore. But we are 70% chinese population so we have chinese in our ballot. But I am amazed chinese population is not that big in the US and yet they got chinese in their ballot.
Just another wacky thing in the US!



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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:27:34 PM   
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Why are there Chinese words?

Shouldn't it be Spanish since Hispanic people are probably the second biggest minority?

How would you write the names in Spanish? Exactly the same as they are in English, you fucking idiot.



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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:38:04 PM   
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How would you write the names in Spanish? Exactly the same as they are in English, you fucking idiot.

That can't be true.

I learn today that the name "John" is "Giovanni" in Italian. So technically, there could be a Spanish version of their name.

And there are things like, "Dirk" is "Derek" in Dutch.

There gotta be Spanish versions.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:39:01 PM   
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She's been a liar, a criminal, and a traitor for 40 years. You may lean left, but you have to be pretty indiscriminate to accept that in a candidate. Trump isn't perfect, but cast the first stone, would you? He's a deal maker. He'll do what benefits him if nobody else. The thing is, he gets more benefit from all of us benefiting than from cashing us in. See the difference?

You like open borders? Show me where Trump says we're going to seal them permanently. We have terrorists who want to kill us. Why is it wrong to back up and have a closer look? We have economic effects from vast numbers of ILLEGAL immigrants flooding our system, plus the terrorists know they have an easy way in there. Why is it wrong to expect these people to follow the rules?

I remember 1980 and what a fuckup our economy was. We adjusted taxes and grew our way out of stagnation and inflation. The only reason we didn't learn from that was it was so anathema to these leftrhoids that they couldn't let it be true, they've been shouting at us since then how it wasn't true, and they've managed to control the terms of the debate so far too many of us believed them. Who you gonna believe, them or your lying eyes? Can you truly say you'd rather be in England 35 years on from 1980 as it was, moreso than it is now?

I'm not really interested in debating fine points, but what it all comes down to is that neither of them can really do that much damage, and it's never really the case, EXCEPT that we have SCOTUS appointments coming up this time, and I'd rather have some strict constructionists that have to face a skinning in the Senate than some partisan hacks that just get handed their seats.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:46:57 PM   
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I don't know if you intended this Greta, but you really sound so desperate that you are clutching at straws here. It seems that at long long last, you have realised that the odds are heavily against a Trump victory.
You know, it's kind of sweet to see that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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The Electoral College system makes Trump's path to the 270 electoral votes that guarantee the Presidency far more difficult than Clinton's. Trump needs to win all or almost all of the 13 so-called swing States to get the necessary EC votes. Clinton can afford to lose quite a few of them while still gaining an EC majority.
No, you're wrong. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Clinton's majority is concentrated in a few blue states such as California and New York where those extra voters do her no good whatsoever. Trump's constituency is spread out across the country - and that's a reality which has been made very clear tonight.

In addition, Nate Silver's 538 has repeatedly emphasised Clinton's weak position in the electoral college. Clinton needed to maintain a significant majority of 4% or more of the popular vote in order to reach a 95% chance of winning the college. The lower the margin, the worse her chances get.

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That's not because the system is "rigged" as The Mop likes to claim but because the Dems are far more popular in areas of high population density like New York and California. Republicans tend to be more popular in poorly populated rural areas in the Mid West and old South.
Yes. Which is exactly why her position is WEAK, you unthinking tool. Christ, you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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So in a rather roundabout fashion this election system usually reflects the wishes of the US population even though in infrequent cases winning the popular vote doesn't guarantee the White House
Well it certainly reflects the will of the people - which is apparently to tell the Democrats to go fuck themselves.


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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:49:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		John in English would be equivalent to Juan in Spanish, but that would be what he would be named originally; you don't translate the name of someone that already has it. For example, an ancestor of mine is Pedro I el cruel de Castilla y Leon, whom I wouldn't call Peter, even though Peter is the English equivalent of Pedro.

There are concentrations of different ethnic groups in different areas. For some reason there are ATMs in my area that allow the selection of Polish as the operating language, but none I'm aware of with Chinese, even though it seems there are more Chinese around here than Poles or, say, Russians.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:52:40 PM   
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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 8:59:01 PM   
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And there are things like, "Dirk" is "Derek" in Dutch.



No it's not. Dirk is a common Dutch and Flemish name.

I've got an uncle named Dirk, my parents have a neighbor named Dirk, and my ex-boyfriend's father is named Dirk.

I'm sure I know others, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:02:32 PM   
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No it's not. Dirk is a common Dutch and Flemish name.

I've got an uncle named Dirk, my parents have a neighbor named Dirk, and my ex-boyfriend's father is named Dirk.

I'm sure I know others, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

But this was told to me by a Belgium friend. His name is Dirk and he told me the English Equivalent would be Derek, so call him Derek, as I was unable to pronounced "Dirk" properly.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:07:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's his option. It would just be presumptuous to take it upon yourself to call him Derek without consulting him first.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:09:21 PM   
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No it's not. Dirk is a common Dutch and Flemish name.

I've got an uncle named Dirk, my parents have a neighbor named Dirk, and my ex-boyfriend's father is named Dirk.

I'm sure I know others, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

But this was told to me by a Belgium friend. His name is Dirk and he told me the English Equivalent would be Derek, so call him Derek, as I was unable to pronounced "Dirk" properly.


Oh, I see, I thought you were meaning it the other way around. That you meant Derek was the Dutch version.

And yeah, Dutch/Flemish is one of the hardest languages to learn to pronounce as an adult. We've got a bunch of sounds no other language has. I've got a bunch of middle names (3 actually) and nobody here comes even close to being able to pronounce them.
My husband and slave are attempting to learn Flemish, and at this point, nobody but me would be able to understand what they're saying... But then again, we've got words like 'slechtsschrijvende' so I guess that's understandable.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:13:38 PM   
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How would you write the names in Spanish? Exactly the same as they are in English, you fucking idiot.

That can't be true.

I learn today that the name "John" is "Giovanni" in Italian. So technically, there could be a Spanish version of their name.

And there are things like, "Dirk" is "Derek" in Dutch.

There gotta be Spanish versions.
No. Spanish people use the same English alphabet. Kanji is used for people who can't read interpret written English.

Names are not transliterated in any way. They're a legal construct and thus must be reproduced verbatim.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:14:23 PM   
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That's his option. It would just be presumptuous to take it upon yourself to call him Derek without consulting him first.

I don't know what you are talking about, since he was the one who educated me that Dirk is Derek in English.
So it's the same thing.

Just like an Italian dude told me to call him John, even though his name is Giovanni, because Giovanni is Italian, and I can use the English version.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:31:05 PM   
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How would you write the names in Spanish? Exactly the same as they are in English, you fucking idiot.

That can't be true.

I learn today that the name "John" is "Giovanni" in Italian. So technically, there could be a Spanish version of their name.

And there are things like, "Dirk" is "Derek" in Dutch.

There gotta be Spanish versions.

Please kill yourself before you reproduce. Your level of stupid should not be passed on to others.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:31:36 PM   
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That's his option. It would just be presumptuous to take it upon yourself to call him Derek without consulting him first.

I don't know what you are talking about, since he was the one who educated me that Dirk is Derek in English.
So it's the same thing.

Just like an Italian dude told me to call him John, even though his name is Giovanni, because Giovanni is Italian, and I can use the English version.


That's exactly what I'm talking about. There are equivalents, and it's his option to tell you to use the equivalent rather than hold you to the original. Dirk or Giovanni could have gotten all stressed out at you and insisted on "Dirk" or "Giovanni", but they'd rather make it easier for you. They're nice guys, is all.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:32:29 PM   
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Please kill yourself before you reproduce. Your level of stupid should not be passed on to others.

As usual stef, when you do bother typing.
Only negativity comes out of you. Do you ever have anything positive to contribute?

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:43:16 PM   
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THe ballot is in 3 languages. If you look at the top of the pic you will see "Neuva York" and "del 2016". The two largest languages spoken in NYC other than English are Spanish and Chinese

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:49:51 PM   
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Well the way things are going if someone really feels inside that they are a natural born citizen, that will work too. Maybe Arnold has a chance afterall.



Arnold is a trans-natural-born-citizen. If you don't vote for him as prez, you're anti-trans.... and a bigot.

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RE: The crazy American Election System - 11/8/2016 9:58:20 PM   
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Do you ever have anything positive to contribute?

Removing yourself from the gene pool would be incredibly positive for the planet.

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