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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 8:24:12 AM   
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well,.. Good luck with that..


What else is there to do? Roll over and surrender?


Leave? There are better countries than the US, but you have to find one that checks the most important boxes for you, and you have to have the guts to actually move.. (Saverin chose Singapore, Tina Turner chose Switzerland) or at least become a global citizen, staying/living in a few countries as a visitor/tourist but not an actual permanent resident of any of them..

Or.. you could run for office and try to affect change that way, rather than just passively waiting for the next voting day (which may still result in a Prez you didnt want)..

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 10:55:37 AM   
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well,.. Good luck with that..


What else is there to do? Roll over and surrender?


Leave? There are better countries than the US,


Good luck with that.

The average American has ZERO chance at expatriating.

There isn't a single country on Earth that takes in foreigners without conditions, and usually the conditions are one of two things:

- Come with a job which is in high demand in our economy (nurses for instance).
- Come with a lot of cash and make an investment in our economy.

That's all good an well for celebrities, but for the average person on the left? Nope, not a chance in fucking hell anybody will take them.
They can't leave, because they have nowhere to go... unless they want to go be illegal somewhere else...

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 11:11:03 AM   
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You never know your luck: he might get killed before he's sworn in, and then Pence will get the job instead.



I find it so interesting that there are a 100x more random death threats being spouted against Trump online than 'the racist evangelical bigots who voted for Trump' ever made towards Obama when he got elected.

Apparently the Left is far less tolerable than the 'deplorables' they so despise are.

That wasn't a threat.
Evidently the shitgibbon's thin skin is catching.


You didn't make a threat, just just supported all the ones who have been making them and expressed the hope that they'll be successful at carrying them out.

BTW, I didn't vote Trump... I'm just calling the bullshit as I see it.




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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 11:13:01 AM   
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You didn't make a threat, just just supported all the ones who have been making them and expressed the hope that they'll be successful at carrying them out.

No I didn't.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 12:58:09 PM   
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Leave? There are better countries than the US, but you have to find one that checks the most important boxes for you, and you have to have the guts to actually move.. (Saverin chose Singapore, Tina Turner chose Switzerland) or at least become a global citizen, staying/living in a few countries as a visitor/tourist but not an actual permanent resident of any of them..

Or.. you could run for office and try to affect change that way, rather than just passively waiting for the next voting day (which may still result in a Prez you didnt want)..


Leave? This is my home. This is where I live. This is where those I love live. Why on earth would I want to abandon it? It doesn't take guts to leave. In fact it sounds rather cowardly to me - running just because things aren't perfect.

As for political office . . . an atheist who writes BDSM stories on a BDSM website? Oh yeah, they'll be lining up to vote for the "god hating pervert," which is what I'm sure I'd be labeled as once Fox News gets done with me.

What I can do is continue to make my voice heard, continue to be active in my community, continue to simply set an example in how I live my life and treat with others (which does not exclude calling a mother fucker a mother fucker when necessary) . . . and continue to hold out hope that both my country and humanity as a whole will - despite the occasional setback - continue to move forward toward a more just, peaceful and prosperous future.





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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 1:34:42 PM   
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Speaking of hypocrisy, anybody else foresee an increase in Democrats hypocritically staging many filibusters and Republicans hypocritically complaining about them?

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 1:37:49 PM   
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Speaking of hypocrisy, anybody else foresee an increase in Democrats hypocritically staging many filibusters and Republicans hypocritically complaining about them?


Count on it.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 2:53:01 PM   
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I would like to remind everyone of a Donald Trump quote from 1998:

"If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voter in the country. They believe anything on FOX news. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific."

Donald Trump, People Magazine 1998

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 3:18:22 PM   
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Haven't you heard, Jeff? We live in the days of post-truth politics. Trump never said that. Or, if he did, he didn't mean it. He only ever meant the stuff that his supporters want him to have meant.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 3:56:14 PM   
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I would like to remind everyone of a Donald Trump quote from 1998:

"If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voter in the country. They believe anything on FOX news. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific."

Donald Trump, People Magazine 1998

So you're expecting a burst of giggling and a "Bazinga!" as he refuses to be sworn in and tweets bragging that he's just punked the whole country?

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 5:00:25 PM   
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That quote has been proven false. People has denied it. It's false hope.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 5:04:51 PM   
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Speaking of hypocrisy, anybody else foresee an increase in Democrats hypocritically staging many filibusters and Republicans hypocritically complaining about them?

for a while, but havent some in the repub party already declared that filibustering will be gone in the first days?
I cant remember where I read it, but it would seem to me to be the thing to do. They will control everything, its shouldnt be hard.


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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 5:08:33 PM   
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That quote has been proven false. People has denied it. It's false hope.

Yup, pure bullshit. I mean come on people, if it were true, his primary opponents would have used it.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 5:18:35 PM   
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That quote has been proven false. People has denied it. It's false hope.

Yup, pure bullshit. I mean come on people, if it were true, his primary opponents would have used it.


On the other hand, it would had to have competed with the things he verifiably *did* say, and there were a *lot* of choice comments to choose between.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 7:29:31 PM   
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That quote has been proven false. People has denied it. It's false hope.

Yup, pure bullshit. I mean come on people, if it were true, his primary opponents would have used it.


On the other hand, it would had to have competed with the things he verifiably *did* say, and there were a *lot* of choice comments to choose between.



Which is why so many people actually believe he said it, though, in fact he did not.

It has also probably slipped the 'believers' mind that in 1998, FOX news was not as prominently watched as it is now.

One more point, it proves the old adage, that, when someone sees it on the internet, they automatically assume the truth of the information.

What Donald did say in 1998 was that he was 'considering a run for political office' and that he was a 'registered republican,' which was contrary to what he said ten years earlier when he stated he would not run for office at any time in the future.

However, the quote, is partially true, in that he did say, at some points in his public life that he considered the voters of both parties gullible in that the majority do not think for themselves.

He, like many others, noted that depending on the party, voters would spout items they heard on the various news networks as gospel.

Unfortunately, this is fact.

Donald Trump won for one simple reason, he did not play ball with the party establishment. This appealed to the voters as him being his own man.

For good or bad, he is/was the type of person that people wanted to run for office. He thumbed his nose at every established GOP standard and laughed off all his GOP critics.

Hillary on the other hand, spouted the same party line that had helped the dems when in the past, but at a time in American history when that was not the way to play the game.

Trump's win will shake up the GOP. They realize that America wants health care reform but not the Affordable Care Act which has proved anything but. The social welfare systems are in need of an over haul, including Social Security, which is set up to allow congress to 'borrow' from the social security trust fund to meet budget needs.

Illegal immigrants are also a problem, but a wall is not a viable solution.

While some of his ideas are clearly unconstitutional, let us not forget that FDR pulled some things that were equally unconstitutional, and before SCOTUS shut them down, did achieve a lot of good.

The only thing I would want is a secret service agent with orders to use a stun gun on the man if he ever suggested using nukes to deal with terrorists.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 7:29:36 PM   
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The best line I've read was to the effect that if you turn an election into a three ring then don't be surprised if the dancing bear wins. Which it certainly did.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 7:31:08 PM   
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Hey lets just be thankful that the winner has a higher IQ than a certain poster from singapore.

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 9:41:32 PM   
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Leave? There are better countries than the US, but you have to find one that checks the most important boxes for you, and you have to have the guts to actually move.. (Saverin chose Singapore, Tina Turner chose Switzerland) or at least become a global citizen, staying/living in a few countries as a visitor/tourist but not an actual permanent resident of any of them..

Or.. you could run for office and try to affect change that way, rather than just passively waiting for the next voting day (which may still result in a Prez you didnt want)..


Leave? This is my home. This is where I live. This is where those I love live. Why on earth would I want to abandon it? It doesn't take guts to leave. In fact it sounds rather cowardly to me - running just because things aren't perfect.

As for political office . . . an atheist who writes BDSM stories on a BDSM website? Oh yeah, they'll be lining up to vote for the "god hating pervert," which is what I'm sure I'd be labeled as once Fox News gets done with me.

What I can do is continue to make my voice heard, continue to be active in my community, continue to simply set an example in how I live my life and treat with others (which does not exclude calling a mother fucker a mother fucker when necessary) . . . and continue to hold out hope that both my country and humanity as a whole will - despite the occasional setback - continue to move forward toward a more just, peaceful and prosperous future.


I guess it depends on how bad you think it is, obviously you dont think its that bad (at least not yet).. lots of people have left their homes, some even loved their homes, but sometimes shite happens.. I had a relative who left Germany after WWII cuz she thought it was too bad for her (she wasnt Jewish either).. Personally I dont see much hope for the US.. I think Trump will create an economic boom but he will cost the US in seriously high debt and when the boom finally busts it will make the Great Recession look like a picnic in comparison.. it aint gonna be pretty..

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 10:00:41 PM   
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well,.. Good luck with that..


What else is there to do? Roll over and surrender?


Leave? There are better countries than the US,


Good luck with that.

The average American has ZERO chance at expatriating.

There isn't a single country on Earth that takes in foreigners without conditions, and usually the conditions are one of two things:

- Come with a job which is in high demand in our economy (nurses for instance).
- Come with a lot of cash and make an investment in our economy.

That's all good an well for celebrities, but for the average person on the left? Nope, not a chance in fucking hell anybody will take them.
They can't leave, because they have nowhere to go... unless they want to go be illegal somewhere else...


Of course there are requirements.. Canada has an Express Entry program where if you have a degree, 2 years experience and about 10k in the bank you could qualify for that.. there are a few countries that require you to have a certain amount of income (from investments or pension, etc).. some have programs that give residency if you invest (some are not that much) in a business or industry.. in many countries if you marry a citizen you can move there,.. but people have to do their research to find the countries they would consider moving to and how they could do it.. So a nice American guy could marry me and be allowed to live in Canada.. I would need to get divorced first tho..

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RE: Oh Fuck. - 11/10/2016 10:23:40 PM   
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well,.. Good luck with that..


What else is there to do? Roll over and surrender?


Leave? There are better countries than the US,


Good luck with that.

The average American has ZERO chance at expatriating.

There isn't a single country on Earth that takes in foreigners without conditions, and usually the conditions are one of two things:

- Come with a job which is in high demand in our economy (nurses for instance).
- Come with a lot of cash and make an investment in our economy.

That's all good an well for celebrities, but for the average person on the left? Nope, not a chance in fucking hell anybody will take them.
They can't leave, because they have nowhere to go... unless they want to go be illegal somewhere else...


Of course there are requirements.. Canada has an Express Entry program where if you have a degree, 2 years experience and about 10k in the bank you could qualify for that.. there are a few countries that require you to have a certain amount of income (from investments or pension, etc).. some have programs that give residency if you invest (some are not that much) in a business or industry.. in many countries if you marry a citizen you can move there,.. but people have to do their research to find the countries they would consider moving to and how they could do it.. So a nice American guy could marry me and be allowed to live in Canada.. I would need to get divorced first tho..


Yeah, as I said: average American has zero chance. 69% of this country has less than a $1000 in savings... seriously...

Even my marriage visa into the US ended up costing about $4000 once all was said and done. For most other countries it would cost similar fees. Investment visas are even more expensive. And then there's moving fees, etc.

69% of this country has less than a $1000 in savings... all of those options are not an option for them.

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