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KenDckey -> Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 5:45:52 AM)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/10/donald-trump-can-eviscerate-obama-policies-by-drop/

This Washington Times article explains how easily it may be done and what is funny, at least to me, is that Obama himself set the president for some of this.




subrob1967 -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 7:42:13 AM)

May be?

His legacy took a nosedive into the shitter as soon as Clinton lost the election.

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If President Barack Obama’s plan to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for middle-class tax cuts and programs won’t go anywhere in the new Republican Congress, why did Obama even spend time discussing it during last week’s State of the Union?

"Because it’s something for people to run on," said Cokie Roberts as part of a Sunday pundit analysis on ABC’s This Week.

"He’s lost almost 70 Democrats since he’s been president," Roberts said of Congress, "and more than 900 state legislators. So he needs to give Democrats something to run on."

We had heard iterations of Democratic losses on the congressional level, but never such a large number of losses for Democrats in legislatures across the country.

Turns out, Roberts is correct.

Our analysis shows Democrats have lost 910 seats since Obama took office. (You can see the changes in every state here.)

Politifact

His signature legislation, the ACA is under severe threat, and there's a damn good chance it will be repealed.

His foreign policy was horrible.

And unless Obama himself is running for office, he's lost every election he's been involved in.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 8:22:43 AM)

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His signature legislation, the ACA is under severe threat,

Well it's an absolute piece of shit, so that's hardly surprising




bounty44 -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 1:21:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
His signature legislation, the ACA is under severe threat, and there's a damn good chance it will be repealed.


"The Obamacare Repeal is Coming"

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After a day in Washington D.C. Thursday, less than 48 hours after winning the White House, President-elect Donald Trump indicated one of his main focuses in the first 100 days of his presidency will be healthcare.

On the campaign trail throughout the year, Trump promised voters a repeal of Obamacare.

With Trump's victory, the end of the collapsing program is coming. Under President Obama's tenure, Republicans voted over 50 times to repeal Obamacare, but were met with roadblocks from former Majority Leader Harry Reid and veto threats from the Oval Office. With a Republican majority in the House, Senate and a Republican president, the path to repealing Obamacare is wide open.

Republicans have been criticized and accused of failing to provide a plan to replace Obamacare. Speaker Ryan produced a plan earlier this year.

Trump has also offered a series of healthcare solutions:

Repeal and replace Obamacare with Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).

Work with Congress to create a patient-centered health care system that promotes choice, quality, and affordability.

Work with states to establish high-risk pools to ensure access to coverage for individuals who have not maintained continuous coverage.

Allow people to purchase insurance across state lines, in all 50 states, creating a dynamic market.

Maximize flexibility for states via block grants so that local leaders can design innovative Medicaid programs that will better serve their low-income citizens.


During an interview Thursday with CNN, former Republican Senator and Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint said with a Republican majority, there are is no excuse not to move for repeal.

No more excuses! It’s time to repeal Obamacare. pic.twitter.com/bZJSggPkkG
— Jim DeMint (@JimDeMint) November 10, 2016


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/11/11/the-obamacare-repeal-is-coming-n2244084







bounty44 -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 1:32:42 PM)

"McConnell: Oh Yeah, We're Going To Move To Repeal Obamacare"

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Senate Republicans, flush with victory and defying the odds, have maintained their majority in the upper chamber and vowed to move quickly on repealing Obamacare. Senate Majority Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said, “It's pretty high on our agenda as you know. I would be shocked if we didn't move forward and keep our commitment to the American people."

President-elect Donald Trump has vowed to repeal President Obama’s signature domestic achievement. McConnell did not discuss whether reconciliation would be used, though the chances of that are likely since the GOP majority is slim. And there is virtually no chance that Senate Republicans will be able to cobble together nine Democrats to reach 60 votes for cloture. Still, make no mistake, Trump and Congressional Republicans have signaled that Obamacare repeal is on the table. Yet, as with most bills, a lot of cost analysis, meetings, and the formulation of a replacement piece of legislation could take some time (via the Hill):

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Wednesday he would be "shocked" if Republicans did not move forward with repealing the health law, but declined to discuss if reconciliation would be used.

The GOP’s toughest challenge ahead, though, involves replacing ObamaCare — a problem that has consistently dogged Republicans since the law’s passage.

Experts say it is likely a repeal bill would delay the date it takes effect to give lawmakers time to try to come up with a replacement. The reconciliation bill last year did not include a replacement but phased out the subsidies and Medicaid expansion over two years in what could allow time for a replacement.

Republicans would face difficulty uniting around the details of a plan and dealing with factors like cost estimates, despite the outline put forward by House Republicans this year.

Joe Antos, a healthcare expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said there would have to be some kind of transition period so people were not kicked off their plans right away.

"I don't think you can get anybody to say 'OK, on February 1 you're off,'" Antos said. "2018 is another matter," he added, though he noted that the law could be adapted rather than completely scrapped.

In an interview, Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) would not absolutely commit to using reconciliation to repeal ObamaCare, noting that there still had to be planning meetings with the Trump transition team, but spoke favorably of the test run the process got last year.


Health care wars reloaded. Stay tuned.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/09/mcconnell-oh-yeah-were-going-to-move-to-repeal-obamacare-n2243641




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 1:41:36 PM)


Donald Trump, in Exclusive Interview, Tells WSJ He Is Willing to Keep Parts of Obama Health Law
President-elect hints at possible compromise after vows to repeal the Affordable Care Act
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-willing-to-keep-parts-of-health-law-1478895339?emailToken=JRr8fv16YX2WhtQzbMww01shaqVNF/WUQ0uSM3HOPknKuznJpqeiyqgtwsO%2Bu3%2B0AEF0otAJ5mojRXjViXUvBZPOy%2B4uzAz/Kg%3D%3D

the link may not work so I am posting the text.

By MONICA LANGLEY and GERARD BAKER
Updated Nov. 11, 2016 4:09 p.m. ET
382 COMMENTS
NEW YORK—President-elect Donald Trump said that, after conferring with President Barack Obama, he would consider leaving in place certain parts of the Affordable Care Act, an indication of possible compromise after a campaign in which he pledged repeatedly to repeal the 2010 health law.

In his first interview since his election earlier this week, Mr. Trump said one priority was moving “quickly” on the president’s signature health initiative, which he argued has become so unworkable and expensive that “you can’t use it.”

Yet, Mr. Trump also showed a willingness to preserve at least two provisions of the health law after the president asked him to reconsider repealing it during their meeting at the White House on Thursday

Mr. Trump said he favors keeping the prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of patients’ existing conditions, and a provision that allows parents to provide years of additional coverage for children on their insurance policies.

“I like those very much,” Mr. Trump said in the interview.

Other urgent priorities during his first few weeks as president, Mr. Trump said, would be deregulating financial institutions to allow “banks to lend again,” and securing the border against drugs and illegal immigrants.

He said he would create jobs through nationwide infrastructure projects and improved international trade deals. He also said he would preserve American jobs by potentially imposing tariffs on products of U.S. companies that relocate overseas, thereby reducing the incentive to move plants abroad.

After a bitter campaign in which he came under criticism for his harsh and angry rhetoric, and a postelection period marked by anti-Trump protests in numerous cities, Mr. Trump said he is placing a high priority on bringing the country together.

“I want a country that loves each other,” Mr. Trump said. “I want to stress that.” He said the best way to ease tension would be to “bring in jobs.”

Asked whether he thought his rhetoric had gone too far in the campaign, the president-elect responded: “No. I won.”




Real0ne -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 1:42:15 PM)

President-elect Donald Trump has vowed to repeal President Obama’s signature domestic failure.




KenDckey -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 1:53:05 PM)

Lucy. I know I can live with those two provisions. My objectioon has always been the mandatory provisions.




Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 3:39:50 PM)

Trumps U-turn on Obamacare is just the start. Those who voted for him need to get used to it.




Kirata -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 3:53:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Trumps U-turn on Obamacare is just the start. Those who voted for him need to get used to it.

That it's replacement may have one or two aspects in common with the original hardly constitutes a "U-turn on Obamacare".

K.




Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 4:02:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Trumps U-turn on Obamacare is just the start. Those who voted for him need to get used to it.

That it's replacement may have one or two aspects in common with the original hardly constitutes a "U-turn on Obamacare".

K.



You obviously didnt listen to Trumps pre-election speeches well enough.

quote:

On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform







Nnanji -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 4:09:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Trumps U-turn on Obamacare is just the start. Those who voted for him need to get used to it.

That it's replacement may have one or two aspects in common with the original hardly constitutes a "U-turn on Obamacare".

K.



You obviously didnt listen to Trumps pre-election speeches well enough.

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On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform





So let's keep playing word games. A full repeal can't have affordable insurance or health care because that was part of Obamacare. A full repeal won't allow doctors to be paid because that was part of ACA. It's idiotic, but it's what liberals do. They twist words so that they can argue they were right all along. No PS. It's not a U-turn.




Kirata -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 4:24:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Trumps U-turn on Obamacare is just the start. Those who voted for him need to get used to it.

That it's replacement may have one or two aspects in common with the original hardly constitutes a "U-turn on Obamacare".

You obviously didnt listen to Trumps pre-election speeches well enough.

quote:

On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform


Jesus you are phoquing stupid. [:D]

K.




AtUrCervix -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/11/2016 4:28:20 PM)

(Ya think????)




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/12/2016 3:30:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Trumps U-turn on Obamacare is just the start. Those who voted for him need to get used to it.

That it's replacement may have one or two aspects in common with the original hardly constitutes a "U-turn on Obamacare".

K.


Well, in light of no plan at all, we're left with Ryan's last proposal, which is fairly categorized as a U-turn.




mnottertail -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/12/2016 4:33:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Trumps U-turn on Obamacare is just the start. Those who voted for him need to get used to it.

That it's replacement may have one or two aspects in common with the original hardly constitutes a "U-turn on Obamacare".

K.



You obviously didnt listen to Trumps pre-election speeches well enough.

quote:

On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform





So let's keep playing word games. A full repeal can't have affordable insurance or health care because that was part of Obamacare. A full repeal won't allow doctors to be paid because that was part of ACA. It's idiotic, but it's what liberals do. They twist words so that they can argue they were right all along. No PS. It's not a U-turn.

You fucked this up as usual nutsucker word games, and idiocy is what the nutsuckers do. A repeal is a repeal. That is the official plank of the nutsucker party. Doctors were paid before the ACA. If they 'replace' it with their own law that has the features of the ACA it is a U-turn, or if you say it is not a UTurn because there is no mandatory clause, then its a Y Turn. Don't be nutsucker idiot, Natasha. First Lady, hoeney darlink, show us your tits.





WhoreMods -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/12/2016 4:38:04 AM)

Careful, Ron, you're committing a thoughtcrime there, as "We've always been at war with Eastasia..."
[:D]




MercTech -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/12/2016 11:58:37 PM)

A sinecure for insurance companies and an excuse for insurance company gouging with inflated insurance prices does not affordable health care make.
Insurance in no way equates to affordable health care and never did. The ACA is smoke and mirrors to move huge amounts of money from working person's pockets to large corporations while creating no net benefit to society.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/13/2016 12:04:30 AM)


You want affordable care? Pass a "Good Samaritan" law for doctors so they can't be sued by cry-babies that don't understand that sometimes, people die; even when we don't want them to.

Watch "Malpractice Insurance" become a thing of the past.

Then, make sure doctors are reading the Hippocratic Oath, every day.

There's your affordable health care.



Michael




MrRodgers -> RE: Obama Legacy May be in Jeporday (11/13/2016 12:50:47 AM)

Come on kinkroids, how many times do I need to tell you that just like most things that in America, health care too, is not about your health care...it's about fucking money. Greed is why we don't have a national plan like militias and Catholic schools...well regulated.

You want health care, then keep your passport active and go to Germany or Japan where strange as it may seem, health care in those countries...is about your fucking health care.

1/2 and often less in cost, just as successful and proficient. (they live 3-4 years longer) Germany has 106 health insurance companies ALL competing for business. I am now looking into buying some and would gladly comply with any requirement that I use German drs. and German health care providers.




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