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OsideGirl -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/14/2016 4:07:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire California has the 5th, ~~or 6th~~ biggest economy the world...fek I wonder how large their economy will be if the US Govt pulled out and cancelled it's defense contracts And Silicon Valley leaves because the tariffs would impact their profits.

LadyDemura -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/14/2016 8:50:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Well, the issue would be that the many of the bases in San Diego are the training bases...so they would either closed or be shrunk drastically. Camp Pendelton (the largest in the world), MCAS Miramar, MCRD, and Naval Base Coronado (home to several SEAL teams and BUDS training). Is there a reason Camp Pendleton needs to stay this big? Or even exist? That area is prime beachfront real estate and prevents LA/OC and San Diego from becoming the megacity it should be. CalExit or not, I want it to be gone, or at least seriously downsized and the rest turned residential, preferably high rise condos that pay lots of property tax.

BamaD -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/14/2016 9:24:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Well, the issue would be that the many of the bases in San Diego are the training bases...so they would either closed or be shrunk drastically. Camp Pendelton (the largest in the world), MCAS Miramar, MCRD, and Naval Base Coronado (home to several SEAL teams and BUDS training). Is there a reason Camp Pendleton needs to stay this big? Or even exist? That area is prime beachfront real estate and prevents LA/OC and San Diego from becoming the megacity it should be. CalExit or not, I want it to be gone, or at least seriously downsized and the rest turned residential, preferably high rise condos that pay lots of property tax. Do you want it moved, or is it that any cut to the military is a good thing.? And BTW I was paying attention to this stuff since well before you were born.

OsideGirl -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 10:11:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Well, the issue would be that the many of the bases in San Diego are the training bases...so they would either closed or be shrunk drastically. Camp Pendelton (the largest in the world), MCAS Miramar, MCRD, and Naval Base Coronado (home to several SEAL teams and BUDS training). Is there a reason Camp Pendleton needs to stay this big? Or even exist? So, you want an untrained military? quote: That area is prime beachfront real estate and prevents LA/OC and San Diego from becoming the megacity it should be. I'm incredibly happy that San Diego County is not an extension of OC or LA (and I've lived in both)

Nnanji -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 10:38:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Well, the issue would be that the many of the bases in San Diego are the training bases...so they would either closed or be shrunk drastically. Camp Pendelton (the largest in the world), MCAS Miramar, MCRD, and Naval Base Coronado (home to several SEAL teams and BUDS training). Is there a reason Camp Pendleton needs to stay this big? Or even exist? That area is prime beachfront real estate and prevents LA/OC and San Diego from becoming the megacity it should be. CalExit or not, I want it to be gone, or at least seriously downsized and the rest turned residential, preferably high rise condos that pay lots of property tax. What prevent LA/OC and San Diego from becoming a mega city is politics and resources. Which will become even more difficult for them if they exit. Those places have no resources and they all have to be imported. The Major of LA isn't going to give up power to someone from San Diego and the cost of food and water from outside the new country will make it too expensive to live there except for the elite who want this thing.

LadyDemura -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 11:50:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Do you want it moved, or is it that any cut to the military is a good thing.? And BTW I was paying attention to this stuff since well before you were born. That land is just too valuable to be mostly unused. I can see that a small part of the beachfront might be useful for training for a battle in a similar beach, but why does it have to be that big? There's only a small portion of the California coastline that has water warm enough for it to be a tourist area, and most of it is mostly single family homes which isn't changing anytime soon. If was turned into a high rise beach condo and hotel area, it would bring in a lot of tax dollars. No, I don't want an untrained military, and I wouldn't think closing Camp Pendleton wouldn't really cut the military budget by much anyway. I was meaning megacity to be a continuous urban area from LA to SD, not necessarily a single city government. Resources are less of a problem than people make them out to be. If they just banned grass lawns in all of Southern California, there would be much less of a water problem. I'm not sure if it would be in a CalExit, though it seems like reservoirs should be built in the parts of the state where there is rain, and there would have to be even more conservation.

WhoreMods -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 11:52:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji The Major of LA isn't going to give up power to someone from San Diego and the cost of food and water from outside the new country will make it too expensive to live there except for the elite who want this thing. Quite. That's why nobody lives in Dubai.

MercTech -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 2:10:25 PM)
Southern California is a desert. It is kept viable for millions of people only be extraordinary effort. With the huge amount of gang violence; a separation of California from the rest of the country; SoCal would be a ticking timebomb for mass destruction. With the internal friction between SoCal and the rest of the state; California seceding would lead to NorCal seceding from California in a heartbeat. Shut down four of the six water pipes and the SoCal die off would begin in a day or two. Pendleton, El Toro, and 29 Palms constitute the major elements of west coast training and logistics for the military. Why not close Pendleton and relocate the commands there to new buildings built on the Hanford Site in eastern Washington? The Federal Government already owns 734 square miles there. But, Hanford is NOT on or near major transportation hubs as there are in SoCal. Remember, the interstates were built in part to provide for the ability to rapidly transport troops and materiel. Yep, I'm sure our servicemen will be really happy about leaving San Diego and moving to rural Washington. Gad, what that would do to the Tri-Cities school system and infrastructure is cringe worthy.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 2:27:03 PM)
Where we up to on this one?

BamaD -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 3:01:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Do you want it moved, or is it that any cut to the military is a good thing.? And BTW I was paying attention to this stuff since well before you were born. That land is just too valuable to be mostly unused. I can see that a small part of the beachfront might be useful for training for a battle in a similar beach, but why does it have to be that big? There's only a small portion of the California coastline that has water warm enough for it to be a tourist area, and most of it is mostly single family homes which isn't changing anytime soon. If was turned into a high rise beach condo and hotel area, it would bring in a lot of tax dollars. No, I don't want an untrained military, and I wouldn't think closing Camp Pendleton wouldn't really cut the military budget by much anyway. I was meaning megacity to be a continuous urban area from LA to SD, not necessarily a single city government. Resources are less of a problem than people make them out to be. If they just banned grass lawns in all of Southern California, there would be much less of a water problem. I'm not sure if it would be in a CalExit, though it seems like reservoirs should be built in the parts of the state where there is rain, and there would have to be even more conservation. Your world view is amazing. There are many of us who find San Angelous or mega city 3 as a bad thing.

Nnanji -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 3:05:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Southern California is a desert. It is kept viable for millions of people only be extraordinary effort. With the huge amount of gang violence; a separation of California from the rest of the country; SoCal would be a ticking timebomb for mass destruction. With the internal friction between SoCal and the rest of the state; California seceding would lead to NorCal seceding from California in a heartbeat. Shut down four of the six water pipes and the SoCal die off would begin in a day or two. Pendleton, El Toro, and 29 Palms constitute the major elements of west coast training and logistics for the military. Why not close Pendleton and relocate the commands there to new buildings built on the Hanford Site in eastern Washington? The Federal Government already owns 734 square miles there. But, Hanford is NOT on or near major transportation hubs as there are in SoCal. Remember, the interstates were built in part to provide for the ability to rapidly transport troops and materiel. Yep, I'm sure our servicemen will be really happy about leaving San Diego and moving to rural Washington. Gad, what that would do to the Tri-Cities school system and infrastructure is cringe worthy. That's the thing. Central and eastern CA would not go with the coastal cities. There are already movements in CA to separate into more states so central and Easten CA doesn't have to be governed by the People's Republic of CA. Why would they now want to become a separate nation and give the power to the coastal cities. All of Southern CA water comes from the eastern part of the state and all of the food comes from the central part of the state. Sure, So CA could negotiate for that water as they leave. But the price will most likely not be viable.

LadyDemura -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/15/2016 4:20:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Your world view is amazing. There are many of us who find San Angelous or mega city 3 as a bad thing. What can I say, I'm a city person. City vs. country divide would be just as much of a problem in an independent California as it is in the current US it seems though. A SoCalExit or CoastalExit would be much less viable. I'm not sure if a split while all pieces remaining in the US would be good or bad. An entire West Coast Secession would be much more viable, though really any of this is unlikely to happen and won't resolve the city/country divide.

Musicmystery -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/16/2016 5:04:02 AM)
Well, Oakland in particular is a major shipping port. But as OG noted earlier, CA's water comes from other states . . .

Nnanji -> RE: Is CalExit viable (11/16/2016 9:17:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, Oakland in particular is a major shipping port. But as OG noted earlier, CA's water comes from other states . . . Oakland's water comes from the East Bay MUD reservoirs and pipelines hundreds of miles from Oakland in the Sierra Nevadas in the eastern part of the state. It would be easy to turn that pipeline off.

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