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Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 12:00:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Trump said he's "fine" with same-sex marriage remaining legal across the country, and wouldn't appoint Supreme Court judges with the goal of reversing that ruling.

All these things I said right from the beginning. Trump has been pro-homosexuality all his life.

LGBT community just see because he is joining GOP believe in the left fear mongering that Trump would be against their marriages.

But I always said from the start, Trump position has been pro-homosexuality all the while! So I knew he would never touch this and I said it from the beginning, there is absolutely no way Trump is anti-homosexuality at all. ZERO chance!


Another thing I am super please about is his abortion stances. He wants to give it back to the states to decide, rather than a blanket whole country ban on abortion. This is the best compromise he can do, as I know he is pro-choice, but also have a duty to republicans to do something about this issue. This way, as he said, people who want to abort can still abort in other states IF their states choose to ban it.

Trump also pledged to appoint judges who oppose abortion rights and oppose restrictions on Second Amendment gun rights.
If Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, were overturned, Trump said, decisions on whether to legalize or ban abortion would return to states.
Women seeking abortions whose state has banned them will "perhaps have to go -- they'll have to go to another state," Trump said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/donald-trump-60-minutes-first-interview/index.html


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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 6:16:53 AM   
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Trump also pledged to appoint judges who oppose abortion rights


I guess we're gonna see a lot of filibusters then.

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 6:19:44 AM   
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I guess we're gonna see a lot of filibusters then.

In some crazy ways, since US is almost like one big continent with mini countries as states.

Some states can be deeply religious.

I mean Philippines have total ban on abortion.

It kinda makes sense to let the states decide on abortion issue, and the fact that people can still abort in the next state that is not so religious, works out, to make everybody happy.

I mean, it's kinda a win-win.

Liberal states will never ban abortion. And then those hate that abortion is legal can move to the states where abortion is banned.

There is no one size fits all for America. And there will be a state for everybody and every type of beliefs.

And since Republicans is mostly all about letting states govern their own self and impose as little whole umbrella laws as possible.

This is seriously, the best solution.

I could not imagine as "head of asia" or something force Philippines to legalise abortion.

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 6:22:55 AM   
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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 6:26:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		So which part is not true that I said? It wouldn't return to the states to individually decide? And I mean, no way, every single state in the US would ban abortion.

Personally, I know the men are gonna hate this, but I am total believer of majority wins, and since this is about female's own body, men don't get a vote as it's not their bodies, they just donated a sperm, which is like, they wank off shitloads of that every night, and all those sperms died. I'd have every state female only vote on the abortion issue. Majority wins for each state.



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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 6:30:58 AM   
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Oh, and learn some reading comprehension. Thanks.

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 6:33:05 AM   
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Explain to me next about oceans. Is it true they separate the continents? And that ships and jets can cross them?

Oh, and learn some reading comprehension. Thanks.

Sarcasm is not helping, since I don't understand sarcasm. Most people on this forum knows this.

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 6:41:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		greta, men donate the sperm, women donate the egg, its 50/50.

if you want total rights barring men, then you produce both the egg and the sperm, otherwise men have a vested interest in the product of their creation since you cant produce a child without them, period.




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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 6:45:51 AM   
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greta, men donate the sperm, women donate the egg, its 50/50.

if you want total rights barring men, then you produce both the egg and the sperm, otherwise men have a vested interest in the product of their creation since you cant produce a child without them, period.

I disagree with this. There is a reason science says sperm is alive for however many seconds outside the penis. So Sperms do die. And men kill sperms everyday. So if one of their sperms dies inside a woman's belly, that's no longer their concern.
When men finds a way to carry the baby in their own belly, then they get to vote as well, since they are carrying it. I suggest, make that happen faster!

It's a little bit like, sperm merged with another thing, evolve into this thing. But only if they merged. And after it merges, the man doesn't do any more work.

So and as much as I want the man to also have the right to demand abortion from the female, but unfortunately, abortion also hurts a female body, so it's her own body at stake and not his body. So it's her decision, because it's her body. She is the hosting of that thing.

And men are 101% in control, whether to donate his sperm to her body or not. So it's like a disclaimer that if you voluntarily release your sperm into a female body, you are voluntarily signing off all rights to your sperm to decide whether it lives or dies.

It's not like men had a gun to their heads, being forced to donate their sperms to the female.

If that happens, then hell yea, he has the right in that decision, since she forced him. I assume in this situation, he was raped.

I will not agree to man maintaining a child, IF the female raped him and resulted in that child.

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 7:00:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 7:23:03 AM   
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No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

Terminate the life in her belly is not eliminating her responsibility.
If a man want a child, he can find another woman who wants it and have it together. IF a woman terminate her child. The man has no more responsibility.

To me, the reason why this is fair is because, a man has full control, who he wants to give a child to. So such situation does not even have to happen where a woman wants to abort and then man does not, or worst scenario is the man want to abort and the woman does not, IF the man simply take control and choose wisely who he gives his sperm to. I feel like there is almost zero possible way for such a situation to happen, if the man take full control on who he gives his sperm to.

I bet many of you males here, never faced such a situation. I mean, get a woman pregnant and then have her and you want different things on this pregnancy. It's all within your control, the choice of host for your child.

I think such things start being unfair if the man had no choice but to give his sperm to this specific woman in the first place, but fact is, he had a choice.

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 7:47:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		always wondered about him , maybe he is a tranny,
notice how bitchy he is,
and is now very softly spoken
????

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 7:51:45 AM   
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No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

When you become a human incubator, we'll talk.



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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 8:04:14 AM   
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No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

Sorry A, it's NOT your body to have that option with.

When you can carry another life inside you, you'll have that option.


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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 8:05:59 AM   
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No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

Sorry A, it's NOT your body to have that option with.

When you can carry another life inside you, you'll have that option.



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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 8:08:03 AM   
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No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

Terminate the life in her belly is not eliminating her responsibility.
If a man want a child, he can find another woman who wants it and have it together. IF a woman terminate her child. The man has no more responsibility.

To me, the reason why this is fair is because, a man has full control, who he wants to give a child to. So such situation does not even have to happen where a woman wants to abort and then man does not, or worst scenario is the man want to abort and the woman does not, IF the man simply take control and choose wisely who he gives his sperm to. I feel like there is almost zero possible way for such a situation to happen, if the man take full control on who he gives his sperm to.

I bet many of you males here, never faced such a situation. I mean, get a woman pregnant and then have her and you want different things on this pregnancy. It's all within your control, the choice of host for your child.

I think such things start being unfair if the man had no choice but to give his sperm to this specific woman in the first place, but fact is, he had a choice.

Wow, I agree. It's amazing how some men act so in control and dominant yet somehow "get a girl pregnant " and act like the victim.

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 8:12:01 AM   
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No, Greta.

If a woman has the right to terminate life and eliminate her responsibility, then men should also have that option.

Anything else, is sexist. (Which is why feminists support the anything else option - they're fundamentally sexist.)

OK, get me pregnant (or I am the dumb one and get pregnant because i don't take the proper precautions) and I want to terminate the pregnancy but you don't. I've already made it clear I do not want motherhood and you've made it clear since you are prolife that you value the child growing inside me more than I do, so I'll carry to term and you can raise it. Seems fair. Everyone is happy. You get the baby you believe should have a right to life, I get the freedom I want that you decided wasn't worth an abortion. (Hypothetically, since I'm done having kids, have an IUD and looking into getting my tubes tied)

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 8:45:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think to be really fair, when there's a difference of opinion, the party who wants the baby should compensate the woman for carrying the child to term, then be solely responsible for the child. So ithe party who didn't want it shouldn't have to pay child support and doesn't need to have anything to do with it.

But I'm also wondering how the discussion went from the individual states' right to decide criminality in abortion to a woman's right to abortion...

Greta, let's say you and your friend went overseas on holiday and whilst there you killed her. You would still be a criminal in the eyes of your country, and your option then becomes never being able to go back to your country or being charged as soon as you enter. It's not just as simple as "going to another state to get an abortion", although admittedly it would probably be easer to do so today than back then. Roe vs Wade was a gruelling legal battle that the Supreme Court does not need to rehash and go over again, so in fact Trump's promises are inconsistent. If he holds the "what's done is done" opinion on one Supreme Court decision (gay marriage), he should leave abortion rights alone as well. The fear also, is that most states will criminalize abortion given the choice. So what happens to the 49% who voted yes to the right to choose? It also gives people the right to materially discriminate against others for their beliefs, which is against what some believe to be one of the founding beliefs of America.

Moving to another state is a naive answer because, no matter who gets moved, who's paying for it? And what about those who cannot legally choose for themselves, like teens? There's just a lot of problems that would come about from this.

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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 9:23:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I cant work out his position I thought he was anti. Then reading up today on his latest rambling he says the decision has been made - was that by the supreme court and part of me thinks its not legal in some states....do you see why I am confused?

But he will throw the abortion thingy back down to states? I am sure he campaigned on anti abortion, and anti same sex marriages..."Traditional marriage" he said with the 3rd wife. Look I dont get easily confused but wtf is happening?

Abortion I dont believe in it, save in heinous circumstances, medical etc...and no i don believe in god(s).
I believe the women has the right. But I also believe the man should have a right because he becomes non-human in the equation - like the life soon to be extinguished. Which is why I normally avoid these type of posts.



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RE: Trump officially supports same sex marriage - 11/14/2016 9:31:40 AM   
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I cant work out his position I thought he was anti. Then reading up today on his latest rambling he says the decision has been made - was that by the supreme court and part of me thinks its not legal in some states....do you see why I am confused?

But he will throw the abortion thingy back down to states? I am sure he campaigned on anti abortion, and anti same sex marriages..."Traditional marriage" he said with the 3rd wife. Look I dont get easily confused but wtf is happening?

Abortion I dont believe in it, save in heinous circumstances, medical etc...and no i don believe in god(s).
I believe the women has the right. But I also believe the man should have a right because he becomes non-human in the equation - like the life soon to be extinguished. Which is why I normally avoid these type of posts.



The guy has flip-flopped on so many issues that it confused a LOT of people....many of which voted for him because at some point he said things that those people wanted to hear. I can't quote the source, due to having heard it from a third party, though they DID quote a source...but anyway what was said is that Trump is already waffling on a number of issues, one of which is his "wall". According to where I heard it (The Young Turks) he is now saying it will be more like a fence. A two layered fence, but just a fence.

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