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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 11:02:17 AM

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no, they don't nonstatisticalnanji.

Cite please.

Here ya go mental patient. As good a citation as you've ever posted. Much better actually.

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/a-to-z/h/hearing-voices

you should read it, by god maybe a flaccid brain stem can hear voices. But as I expected, you have your tongue in an ass and your little peener in your hands, the statistics are not there.

http://www.ddmed.org/pdfs/68.pdf

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 11:04:22 AM

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I want to see the pitch forks and flaming torches., And creature as Frankenstein, or creature scaling trump tower he has lizard hoofs you know - claws?...and a maiden fair befitted out in finest corset and some nice stockings, perhaps boots - best make it two maidens fair then.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 11:10:27 AM

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Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs.

This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world.

Well most statistics agree with MercTech's Gish gallop.

The world economy didn't take a nosedive in 2008, then?

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 11:40:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs.

This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world.

Well most statistics agree with MercTech's Gish gallop.

The only part of his post that was an actual response to the post he quoted asserted that there was a recovery happening when Obama took office and that Obama sabotaged it. It would have been far more helpful to explain why this is true as opposed to throwing out digressions about jobs moving overseas, foreign worker exploitation and unemployment.

If you're going to make an assertion that contradicts practically every known narrative about a point in history, you can't just expect people to agree with you without providing at least some facts, preferably from sites not named 'zerohedge' or 'breitbart' or 'newsmax'.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 11:49:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs.

This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world.

Well most statistics agree with MercTech's Gish gallop.

The only part of his post that was an actual response to the post he quoted asserted that there was a recovery happening when Obama took office and that Obama sabotaged it. It would have been far more helpful to explain why this is true as opposed to throwing out digressions about jobs moving overseas, foreign worker exploitation and unemployment.

If you're going to make an assertion that contradicts practically every known narrative about a point in history, you can't just expect people to agree with you without providing at least some facts, preferably from sites not named 'zerohedge' or 'breitbart' or 'newsmax'.

But references to Vox and the Huffington Post are acceptable? My how we choose to limit that which we think. Your kool aid certainly works wonders.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 11:53:25 AM

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Did the economy go down the toilet in 2008 or not?

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 2:01:30 PM

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PORTLAND, Ore. — More than 70 percent of the 112 anti-Trump protesters arrested in Portland didn’t vote in Oregon, according to state election records . . . At least seventy-nine demonstrators either didn’t turn in a ballot or weren’t registered to vote in the state . . . Records show 39 of the protesters arrested were registered in the state but didn’t return a ballot for the November 8 election. Thirty-six of the demonstrators taken into custody weren’t registered to vote in Oregon. ~KGW Portland

Apparently most of those arrested (in Portland, at least) weren't "disappointed voters."

K.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 5:01:47 PM

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I guess you can dismiss everything I say now, not that you weren't already doing just that.

If you want to make it to Broadway, leave the paranoid whining out of the act.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 5:21:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs.

This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world.

For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 6:18:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs.

This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world.

For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06.

So the whole notion of a 2007/08 economic crash was merely a media plot to get Obama elected.
I am officially amazed.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 6:21:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs.

This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world.

Well most statistics agree with MercTech's Gish gallop.

The only part of his post that was an actual response to the post he quoted asserted that there was a recovery happening when Obama took office and that Obama sabotaged it. It would have been far more helpful to explain why this is true as opposed to throwing out digressions about jobs moving overseas, foreign worker exploitation and unemployment.

If you're going to make an assertion that contradicts practically every known narrative about a point in history, you can't just expect people to agree with you without providing at least some facts, preferably from sites not named 'zerohedge' or 'breitbart' or 'newsmax'.

But references to Vox and the Huffington Post are acceptable? My how we choose to limit that which we think. Your kool aid certainly works wonders.

It depends on whether the article is presenting facts or conspiracy.
Using partisan sources to 'prove' there wasn't an economic crisis in 2008 isn't going to fly owing to the magnitude of such a claim.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 8:14:09 PM

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Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs.

You are talking about something that has been ongoing for decades re the jobs situation. The flow of capital and labor finds a way around almost any national policy to direct that effort, and not just in the US. It might help if we took a dose of reality and not stupidly rely upon the essentially useless HS education in the US to prepare anybody for anything much. The first step in that is to quit relying on useless measure of purely academic achievement for any and all estimation of human utility in the work force. And quit looking down on those with lesser capabilities as per arbitrary measure determined by those with no idea of what is useful to a society or not, in real terms.

Focus on what society needs, look at the demand curves across various sectors, then focus educational efforts to that end. I don't know why academicians have their knickers in such a twist about the humanities, sometimes. I can tell you from personal experience, of my own and those I associated with; there is no way you can suppress natural, instinctive interest in a subject, -nor can you enforce it-. Good gosh, just look at the Irish or German or Polish or Russian ditch digger writers.

You'll get no argument from me that there is far too much 'highty-flighty' notions what education in the US is actually supposed to accomplish. Fuckwit academics have got it in their heads that -every last thing- needs to be taught, which presumption of such indicates nothing short of the greatest distrust of natural development of both mind and body. I have been around kids a lot (thanks to sisters and friends) and all I can do is sit in wonder sometimes at the things they learn for themselves. The last thing I'd want to do would be to get in the way of that wonderful process. But the academics, i.e. too many post docs with too much funding and too much time on their hands, have got the notion that we should grab the kids as early as possible because the think tanks sponsored by the corporations say that all efforts should be to instill and inculcate otherwise fresh minds with the notion of 'team work', being a 'team player', etc., hence all the idiotic 'work together' crap in every classroom nowadays. They want everybody showing up for the job interview to tear up the job description sheet as soon as it's handed to them, in front of the boss. And smile at everybody all day even through the most idiotic crap thrown their way by some idiot taking what he/she learned in their MBA class literally.

THIS is why America is going down. Not I or anybody else needed 'instruction' or 'classroom experience' to learn how to work together. I did well in my former line of work from my ability to deal with 'troublesome' people, and I can tell you with great certainty that no instructor in any class I've taken could have taught that. And I can absolutely assure you that only two instructors in my stumbling sporadic and lengthy academic career could have dealt with it at all.

Well, that aside; so, what about the economic situation now vs. 2008? You claim it's worse, so I might ask you ...

Do we have the same number of retirees now as we did then who completely lost their ass on home equity, that is, their house being lower in value in even 2010-12 than it was in pre-boom 2000-2002? Oh right, Obama was supposed to magically turn the way of finance to his will at snap of the finger and restore home equity overnight. Just like the jobs that were lost before he came on board. Snap!

The thing is, I had tons of gripes against The First Clinton, and more than a few digs regarding the subtlety-embelished-ears guy with (as some say) Muslim skin color, but somehow, no matter how many gripes I had against those guys, finding any overlap with the ankle biters and their gripes was effectually impossible.

I know that since Reagan the mantra has been 'More oil! More Jerry Falwell! - more bio-weapons to Iraq while people looking at other distraction ... More America! Ain't we great! etc. I looked at Clinton getting all-in with Gingrich in cutting the 'work or go to school' welfare program theretofore turn into the 'just work, bitch, fuck school and possibly achieving what obtains from your natural abilities.' (I forget what the law was called.) Sickening. Obama having some honcho at Monsanto as 'Food Safety Csar.' Sickening.

Funny, though, I never heard a peep from the ankle biters about those episodes. I guess the Gingrich plan for turning teenage black girls into life-long Molly Maids, attractive as that prospect was to them, still didn't raise from the ankle biters any respect for Clinton, just because he signed off on it.

Does that answer at least in part to your query as to why the US work force is losing out? Lot's more where that came from, but that's all for now.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 8:27:13 PM

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For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06.

The housing market was already starting to slow down before that. The big builders simply got greedy and built too many new houses and condos. Simple supply and demand. Everyone wants to blame the national Democrats or Republicans on this but this was all on the builders, and of course the banks. No one blames the builders though in their greed for some reason. Perhaps some local officials could have curbed building somewhat, they did in some places, but if the next town over doesn't do the same, they get the new development and all the money associated with it.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 8:35:54 PM

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Job Losses
Net job gains and losses by month[edit]
United States[edit]

Percent of US civilian working age population employed, 1995–2012
2008[edit]
September 2008 – 433,000 jobs lost
October 2008 – 489,000 jobs lost
November 2008 – 803,000 jobs lost
December 2008 – 661,000 jobs lost[2]
2009[edit]
January 2009 – 818,000 jobs lost
February 2009 – 724,000 jobs lost
March 2009 – 799,000 jobs lost
April 2009 – 692,000 jobs lost
May 2009 – 361,000 jobs lost
June 2009 – 482,000 jobs lost
July 2009 – 339,000 jobs lost
August 2009 – 222,000 jobs lost
September 2009 – 199,000 jobs lost
October 2009 – 202,000 jobs lost[3]
November 2009 - 64,000 jobs created[4]
December 2009 - 109,000 jobs lost[4]
---2010---

January 2010 - 40,000 jobs lost[5]
February 2010 - 35,000 jobs lost
March 2010 - 189,000 jobs created
April 2010 - 239,000 jobs created
May 2010 - 516,000 jobs created
June 2010 - 167,000 jobs lost
July 2010 - 58,000 jobs lost (143,000 Federal Census jobs lost) [6]
August 2010 - 51,000 jobs lost
September 2010 - 27,000 jobs lost (According to U.S. Labor Department, 64,000 private sector jobs are added but a net loss of 95,000 jobs are due to government layoffs) [7][8]
October 2010 - 220,000 jobs created (Private sector jobs net increase)
November 2010 - 121,000 jobs created
December 2010 - 120,000 jobs created
2011[edit]
January 2011 - 110,000 jobs created
February 2011 - 220,000 jobs created
March 2011 - 246,000 jobs created
April 2011 - 251,000 jobs created
May 2011 - 54,000 jobs created
June 2011 - 84,000 jobs created
July 2011 - 96,000 jobs created
August 2011 - 85,000 jobs created
September 2011 - 202,000 jobs created
October 2011 - 112,000 jobs created
November 2011 - 157,000 jobs created
December 2011 - 223,000 jobs created
January 2012 - 275,000 jobs created
February 2012 - 259,000 jobs created
March 2012 - 143,000 jobs created
April 2012 - 68,000 jobs created
May 2012 - 87,000 jobs created
June 2012 - 45,000 jobs created
July 2012 - 181,000 jobs created
August 2012 - 142,000 jobs created
September 2012 - 114,000 jobs created
October 2012 - 225,000 jobs created [9]
November 2012 - 203,000 jobs created
December 2012 - 214,000 jobs created

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 8:51:21 PM

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Job Losses
Net job gains and losses by month[edit]
United States[edit]

Percent of US civilian working age population employed, 1995–2012
2008[edit]
September 2008 – 433,000 jobs lost
October 2008 – 489,000 jobs lost
November 2008 – 803,000 jobs lost
December 2008 – 661,000 jobs lost[2]
2009[edit]
January 2009 – 818,000 jobs lost
February 2009 – 724,000 jobs lost
March 2009 – 799,000 jobs lost
April 2009 – 692,000 jobs lost
May 2009 – 361,000 jobs lost
June 2009 – 482,000 jobs lost
July 2009 – 339,000 jobs lost
August 2009 – 222,000 jobs lost
September 2009 – 199,000 jobs lost
October 2009 – 202,000 jobs lost[3]
November 2009 - 64,000 jobs created[4]
December 2009 - 109,000 jobs lost[4]
---2010---

January 2010 - 40,000 jobs lost[5]
February 2010 - 35,000 jobs lost
March 2010 - 189,000 jobs created
April 2010 - 239,000 jobs created
May 2010 - 516,000 jobs created
June 2010 - 167,000 jobs lost
July 2010 - 58,000 jobs lost (143,000 Federal Census jobs lost) [6]
August 2010 - 51,000 jobs lost
September 2010 - 27,000 jobs lost (According to U.S. Labor Department, 64,000 private sector jobs are added but a net loss of 95,000 jobs are due to government layoffs) [7][8]
October 2010 - 220,000 jobs created (Private sector jobs net increase)
November 2010 - 121,000 jobs created
December 2010 - 120,000 jobs created
2011[edit]
January 2011 - 110,000 jobs created
February 2011 - 220,000 jobs created
March 2011 - 246,000 jobs created
April 2011 - 251,000 jobs created
May 2011 - 54,000 jobs created
June 2011 - 84,000 jobs created
July 2011 - 96,000 jobs created
August 2011 - 85,000 jobs created
September 2011 - 202,000 jobs created
October 2011 - 112,000 jobs created
November 2011 - 157,000 jobs created
December 2011 - 223,000 jobs created
January 2012 - 275,000 jobs created
February 2012 - 259,000 jobs created
March 2012 - 143,000 jobs created
April 2012 - 68,000 jobs created
May 2012 - 87,000 jobs created
June 2012 - 45,000 jobs created
July 2012 - 181,000 jobs created
August 2012 - 142,000 jobs created
September 2012 - 114,000 jobs created
October 2012 - 225,000 jobs created [9]
November 2012 - 203,000 jobs created
December 2012 - 214,000 jobs created

Jobs lost were good jobs.
Jobs created were Walmart- type jobs.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 9:01:35 PM

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Because a lot of the companies that outsourced, did so way before obama. Oh yes, some left after but it had fuck all to do with Obama, which I was showing.
Way before Obama, people had their jobs moved overseas. And had their hours cut, and were only able to find part time jobs after they lost their 40 hr a week job
That had fuck all to do with govmnt, it had to do with profits.

Of course you can cite that "little factoid" you claim???

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Jobs created were Walmart- type jobs.

I suggest you take a look at the actual figures at the only reliable source available.
Its quite convoluted when you get down to it, good luck.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 9:06:38 PM

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Jobs lost were good jobs.
Jobs created were Walmart- type jobs.

Do you hear the Germans bitching about the Chinese?

They still kick ass and export almost as much as the US with barely over a quarter of the population -because they already learned their lesson about false promises of demagogues some decades ago-.

I guess we have to be all like the French and insist on doing it our own way and ignore everybody else, huh?

Being against HRC is understandable to me, too much of the same old same, etc.

But in voting for Trump, the US just broadcast a big gargantuan ... whimper ... to the rest of the world.

#whiningisnotthebestshowofstrength

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 9:20:14 PM

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Jobs lost were good jobs.
Jobs created were Walmart- type jobs.

The 'good jobs' have been getting axed for quite some time now... the recession was just an excuse for corporations to slash and burn all of their high-paying positions, double up the responsibilities of the lower rungs, etc. There are people who go to university and get degrees to help them do this sort of thing.

The stimulus should have been more like nationalization and the bailed out businesses should have been far more tightly regulated to ensure that job conditions were subject to rules similar to those in Social Democracies, but instead the CEOs got golden parachutes and the businesses continued on their merry way because socialism is scary and there was a mysterious upsurge in Libertarian propaganda around that time (all but absent during this election cycle, though).

Considering he has filled his cabinet with lobbyists, there is no doubt in my mind that Trump will make it even worse. And instead of being called out on it, he will distract everyone with more xenophobic conspiracy theories and scapegoating.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 9:44:02 PM

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Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs.

This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world.

For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06.

So the whole notion of a 2007/08 economic crash was merely a media plot to get Obama elected.
I am officially amazed.

Not only are you amazed but you are illiterate.
I said the economy tanked from O6 to 08, once the Dems had control of both houses. I also never said that the media faked the crash, but they put things in the worst light they could and for the last 8 years have been cheerleaders for the "recovery" which has be terrible. The only reason that unemployment has gone down is that so many people have given up or run out of unemployment.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/15/2016 9:46:51 PM

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And yet those figures have shrunk too, but then you were never any good at giving out cites to back up your lies.

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