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BamaD -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/15/2016 9:51:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06. The housing market was already starting to slow down before that. The big builders simply got greedy and built too many new houses and condos. Simple supply and demand. Everyone wants to blame the national Democrats or Republicans on this but this was all on the builders, and of course the banks. No one blames the builders though in their greed for some reason. Perhaps some local officials could have curbed building somewhat, they did in some places, but if the next town over doesn't do the same, they get the new development and all the money associated with it. What really caused it was when the government forced the banks to give minorities loans that they could never pay off. But of course the people filling the market need are the evil ones not the people who gave out loans or the people who pushed them to do so. About the only person who tried to stop this was John McCain and he was branded as a racist for doing so.

Lucylastic -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/15/2016 10:00:33 PM)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-male-trump-supporter-punched-a-woman-eating-dinner-in-the-face_us_582b2c86e4b060adb5704c25 A man punched a woman in the face at a popular French restaurant in Brooklyn after she expressed disappointment about the election of President-elect Donald Trump, according to reports from restaurant staff and witnesses. On Saturday night, a 49-year-old woman who has not been publicly identified was at Bar Tabac in Boerum Hill with a female friend. According to Jonas Leon, the manager who was working that night, the two women were discussing the outcome of the election when a man at a nearby table got into an argument with them. The man asked the manager to kick the women out of the restaurant. Instead, Leon moved the man and his dining companion to another table. The man paid for his meal and left the restaurant, Leon said, before sprinting back in and punching one of the women square in the face. “The guy came back almost running, and he started pushing some customer and the high-chair next to him with the baby because he couldn’t reach the girl,” Leon said. “Then he punched the girl.” Leon told DNAInfo that the assault was because of politics. “The guy who punched the girl was pro-Trump for sure,” he said. One witness, Katie Nave Freeman, told DNAInfo that she was dining at the eatery when she heard people yelling “call 911.” She saw a woman in the back of the restaurant with her hands over her face. “The woman was extremely (and understandably) shaken,” Freeman said. “She grabbed me, sobbed and held the left side of her face in her hand.” An NYPD spokesman confirmed to Gothamist that an assault occurred at the bar. The woman did not suffer any visible injuries and refused medical attention. No arrests have been made in the case. On Monday, Bar Tabac posted a statement about the incident on Facebook. We at Bar Tabac do not condone violence of any type or manner, especially in our own establishment; to the tough guy who assaulted a female patron of ours on Saturday night over a political conversation: Once the law is done with you, do not come back to Bar Tabac (this includes your partner). At a point in this nation when tensions are highest we need to come together now more than ever, we apologize to any customers who had to witness this vulgar outburst. In the aftermath of Trump’s surprise election, there has been a slew of reports of racist, anti-Semitic and anti-women attacks by Trump supporters. “Since the election, we’ve seen a big uptick in incidents of vandalism, threats, intimidation spurred by the rhetoric surrounding Mr. Trump’s election,” Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, told USA TODAY.

heavyblinker -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/15/2016 10:24:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs. This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world. For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06. So the whole notion of a 2007/08 economic crash was merely a media plot to get Obama elected. I am officially amazed. Not only are you amazed but you are illiterate. I said the economy tanked from O6 to 08, once the Dems had control of both houses. I also never said that the media faked the crash, but they put things in the worst light they could and for the last 8 years have been cheerleaders for the "recovery" which has be terrible. The only reason that unemployment has gone down is that so many people have given up or run out of unemployment. Ahhhh so you mean that the crash occurred but immediately afterwards everything was fine and people didn't lose their jobs or homes or savings at all. Did the Dems intentionally cause the crash? I mean, since everything was fine before 2006 and it was all their fault, I'm guessing that they must have seen an opportunity to sabotage all of the admirable efforts of the incredibly popular Bush-era GOP and install an evil Kenyan socialist dictator in his place. And I guess my investment portfolio's gains are a mistake? Wow... I should alert my bank and tell them they accidentally gave me the money I actually lost. I've already explained what the issue with jobs is... it's not merely a trend that started in 2006.

BamaD -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 3:45:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs. This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world. For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06. So the whole notion of a 2007/08 economic crash was merely a media plot to get Obama elected. I am officially amazed. Not only are you amazed but you are illiterate. I said the economy tanked from O6 to 08, once the Dems had control of both houses. I also never said that the media faked the crash, but they put things in the worst light they could and for the last 8 years have been cheerleaders for the "recovery" which has be terrible. The only reason that unemployment has gone down is that so many people have given up or run out of unemployment. Ahhhh so you mean that the crash occurred but immediately afterwards everything was fine and people didn't lose their jobs or homes or savings at all. Did the Dems intentionally cause the crash? I mean, since everything was fine before 2006 and it was all their fault, I'm guessing that they must have seen an opportunity to sabotage all of the admirable efforts of the incredibly popular Bush-era GOP and install an evil Kenyan socialist dictator in his place. And I guess my investment portfolio's gains are a mistake? Wow... I should alert my bank and tell them they accidentally gave me the money I actually lost. I've already explained what the issue with jobs is... it's not merely a trend that started in 2006. I said no such thing, you just answer to what you assume I would have said with no regard for what I did say.

heavyblinker -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 5:59:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I said no such thing, you just answer to what you assume I would have said with no regard for what I did say. Why would anyone have regard for what you say?

Edwird -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 7:29:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06. The housing market was already starting to slow down before that. The big builders simply got greedy and built too many new houses and condos. Simple supply and demand. Everyone wants to blame the national Democrats or Republicans on this but this was all on the builders, and of course the banks. No one blames the builders though in their greed for some reason. Perhaps some local officials could have curbed building somewhat, they did in some places, but if the next town over doesn't do the same, they get the new development and all the money associated with it. What really caused it was when the government forced the banks to give minorities loans that they could never pay off. But of course the people filling the market need are the evil ones not the people who gave out loans or the people who pushed them to do so. About the only person who tried to stop this was John McCain and he was branded as a racist for doing so. All the bank and commodities market deregulation just let the banks run wild, it not 'force' them to do a fucking thing. The fiasco was caused by the 'financial innovation' of collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps. Loan quality was meaningless after that. There was in fact no -demand- for no-doc or 'NINJA' loans from the buyers' side at any time because no one knew they existed until some shyster mortgage broker shoved that application in their face and told them 'hey, no worries, you can afford this, really.' The investment banks were pounding on loan originators' doors, screaming 'we want more!' The government forced banks to quit discrimination schemes such as redlining. The government did no forcing whatsoever of CDO and CDS which created the demand for loans of any sort -from the other side-, not from the home buyers or re-fi victims of mortgage broker fraud. The government did not force the credit rating agencies to commit fraud in rating shit as shinola. Please just shut your stupid mouth.

Musicmystery -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:00:00 AM)
The credit rating agencies did that because they are businesses, and if they don't rate your shit well, people go to the competition.

Edwird -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:13:58 AM)
Exactly. There was an abundance of inter-office memos and emails to that effect, and admonitions against looking at the data too hard, because the other guys weren't looking too hard.

heavyblinker -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:22:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What really caused it was when the government forced the banks to give minorities loans that they could never pay off. But of course the people filling the market need are the evil ones not the people who gave out loans or the people who pushed them to do so. About the only person who tried to stop this was John McCain and he was branded as a racist for doing so. Oh wow I actually missed this choice quote completely. Edwird has already responded to this lunacy... but I am still left wondering how blaming the Democrats for the crash in any way proves that the aftereffects of the crash weren't as severe as the 'left-wing controlled' media claimed, or how it leads to the conclusion that Obama sabotaged or mishandled a supposed recovery, thereby making it worse... but more importantly, I'm dying to understand WHY he would do this at all. Was he just using the crash as an excuse to use taxpayer money to pay off the people who got him elected? Was he trying to fool the American people into becoming socialists? Was he simply taking a page from the 9/11-was-an-inside-job playbook and manufacturing a crisis? I'm dying to understand the dark depths of this conspiracy. Please don't tell me you're just writing it off as another example of liberal incompetence, or fear of racism-- I would be severely disappointed. Chalking it up to intense fear of racism is pretty funny too, but that's sort of a one-off as opposed to the comedic legs a full-blown conspiracy would have. Given your posting history, I was convinced that you were you simply responding to the fact that I mentioned 2008 and trying to fit in some unrelated jabs at your great liberal nemesis and their unforgivable incompetence, as well as the efforts by the left-controlled media to cover it up... but I am a huge fan of RWNJ conspiracy theories so if there's more to it than that please let me know.

Nnanji -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:41:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs. This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world. For the same reason that people thought that the recession was in full swing in 92 until the day after the election when we found out that the recession had ended in 91. The press was and is in the pocket of the Democratic party. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the economy didn;t tank untill after the Democrats took control of both houses in 06. So the whole notion of a 2007/08 economic crash was merely a media plot to get Obama elected. I am officially amazed. Not only are you amazed but you are illiterate. I said the economy tanked from O6 to 08, once the Dems had control of both houses. I also never said that the media faked the crash, but they put things in the worst light they could and for the last 8 years have been cheerleaders for the "recovery" which has be terrible. The only reason that unemployment has gone down is that so many people have given up or run out of unemployment. Ahhhh so you mean that the crash occurred but immediately afterwards everything was fine and people didn't lose their jobs or homes or savings at all. Did the Dems intentionally cause the crash? I mean, since everything was fine before 2006 and it was all their fault, I'm guessing that they must have seen an opportunity to sabotage all of the admirable efforts of the incredibly popular Bush-era GOP and install an evil Kenyan socialist dictator in his place. And I guess my investment portfolio's gains are a mistake? Wow... I should alert my bank and tell them they accidentally gave me the money I actually lost. I've already explained what the issue with jobs is... it's not merely a trend that started in 2006. The economy crash has been argued here for ever. It was caused by banking rule changes made by Carter and Clinton. Whether it occurred under Bush or not is not relevant. Both Bush and McCain tried to get congress to act to fix the banking rules and Barney Frank(I've seen tape of this and I'm sure you can google it) said absolutely no way. His buds were making too much money over at fanny and Freddie. So yes, the Dems intentionally crashed the economy. But their buddies made a lot of money. Google how much Jamie Gerelic made.

Nnanji -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:44:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I said no such thing, you just answer to what you assume I would have said with no regard for what I did say. Why would anyone have regard for what you say? There you go, typical liberal arrogance. Usually most prevalent when in possession of the least knowledge.

Nnanji -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:51:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What really caused it was when the government forced the banks to give minorities loans that they could never pay off. But of course the people filling the market need are the evil ones not the people who gave out loans or the people who pushed them to do so. About the only person who tried to stop this was John McCain and he was branded as a racist for doing so. Oh wow I actually missed this choice quote completely. Edwird has already responded to this lunacy... but I am still left wondering how blaming the Democrats for the crash in any way proves that the aftereffects of the crash weren't as severe as the 'left-wing controlled' media claimed, or how it leads to the conclusion that Obama sabotaged or mishandled a supposed recovery, thereby making it worse... but more importantly, I'm dying to understand WHY he would do this at all. Was he just using the crash as an excuse to use taxpayer money to pay off the people who got him elected? Was he trying to fool the American people into becoming socialists? Was he simply taking a page from the 9/11-was-an-inside-job playbook and manufacturing a crisis? I'm dying to understand the dark depths of this conspiracy. Please don't tell me you're just writing it off as another example of liberal incompetence, or fear of racism-- I would be severely disappointed. Chalking it up to intense fear of racism is pretty funny too, but that's sort of a one-off as opposed to the comedic legs a full-blown conspiracy would have. Given your posting history, I was convinced that you were you simply responding to the fact that I mentioned 2008 and trying to fit in some unrelated jabs at your great liberal nemesis and their unforgivable incompetence, as well as the efforts by the left-controlled media to cover it up... but I am a huge fan of RWNJ conspiracy theories so if there's more to it than that please let me know. No but as Obama people said: "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before. Rahm Emanuel" Obama took advantage of the crisis to help his constituency. I don't know if you read the text of the 1 trillion dollar Kainsian spending bill Reid, Palosy, an Obama put together, I did, but it was a boondoggle from get go. It paid huge (think Solendyne) to leftist causes and never had any intention of helping recession recovery.

Nnanji -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:55:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What really caused it was when the government forced the banks to give minorities loans that they could never pay off. But of course the people filling the market need are the evil ones not the people who gave out loans or the people who pushed them to do so. About the only person who tried to stop this was John McCain and he was branded as a racist for doing so. Oh wow I actually missed this choice quote completely. Edwird has already responded to this lunacy... but I am still left wondering how blaming the Democrats for the crash in any way proves that the aftereffects of the crash weren't as severe as the 'left-wing controlled' media claimed, or how it leads to the conclusion that Obama sabotaged or mishandled a supposed recovery, thereby making it worse... but more importantly, I'm dying to understand WHY he would do this at all. Was he just using the crash as an excuse to use taxpayer money to pay off the people who got him elected? Was he trying to fool the American people into becoming socialists? Was he simply taking a page from the 9/11-was-an-inside-job playbook and manufacturing a crisis? I'm dying to understand the dark depths of this conspiracy. Please don't tell me you're just writing it off as another example of liberal incompetence, or fear of racism-- I would be severely disappointed. Chalking it up to intense fear of racism is pretty funny too, but that's sort of a one-off as opposed to the comedic legs a full-blown conspiracy would have. Given your posting history, I was convinced that you were you simply responding to the fact that I mentioned 2008 and trying to fit in some unrelated jabs at your great liberal nemesis and their unforgivable incompetence, as well as the efforts by the left-controlled media to cover it up... but I am a huge fan of RWNJ conspiracy theories so if there's more to it than that please let me know. No but as Obama people said: "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before. Rahm Emanuel" Obama took advantage of the crisis to help his constituency. I don't know if you read the text of the 1 trillion dollar Kainsian spending bill Reid, Palosy, an Obama put together, I did, but it was a boondoggle from get go. It paid huge (think Solendyne) to leftist causes and never had any intention of helping recession recovery. In fact, blinker, look at post 110 from edweird. There you go with banking industry rules as I point out. Of course you missed that because you're not aware enough of what happened. To you it was all just push posh brought about by the bad Bush. Very poor thinking actually.

Nnanji -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:57:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Obama inherited an economy that was starting to recover and left it in worse shape than he got it. The number of unemployed is high but doesn't show in the numbers because when your six month unemployment is up; you are no longer part of the statistics. Technical jobs that actually pay a decent wage are hemorrhaging overseas. What technical jobs left in the U.S. are being filled by H1B visa personnel. And one of the reasons that H1B personnel are preferable is never mentioned. When a project is over, a visa hire just goes away; no severance, no unemployment compensation, nada from the company coffers. Manufacturing jobs are mainly working for foreign corporations who opened satellite factories in the U.S. so they can do an end run around import tariffs. Health care is less affordable to working people and the gouging for health care continues as a federal law mandated sinecure for health insurance companies continues to drive up out of pocket costs. This is a gish gallop and I'm not going to waste time replying to it all not in the least because it has nothing to do with Obama, but I am very curious why you think the economy was recovering in 2008 when practically everyone else thought it was the end of the world. Sorry above, not posh posh, Gish gallop from an uninformed tough guy wanna be.

heavyblinker -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:57:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji So yes, the Dems intentionally crashed the economy. But their buddies made a lot of money. Google how much Jamie Gerelic made. So the fact that people profited from the crash proves it was intentional? Or is it the fact that some of the stimulus investments didn't pay off?

Nnanji -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 8:59:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji So yes, the Dems intentionally crashed the economy. But their buddies made a lot of money. Google how much Jamie Gerelic made. So the fact that people profited from the crash proves it was intentional? Or is it the fact that some of the stimulus investments didn't pay off? Once you've understood what actually happened and shown enough knowledge to discuss this you can ask all of the stupid leading questions you wish. In the mean time make declarative statements and take my statements as a whole rather than trying to cherry pick and bait me.

Musicmystery -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 9:03:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji So yes, the Dems intentionally crashed the economy. But their buddies made a lot of money. Google how much Jamie Gerelic made. So the fact that people profited from the crash proves it was intentional? Or is it the fact that some of the stimulus investments didn't pay off? Yeah, and Republicans made not a dime. He's just gonna keep spinning ya. It's the only game he knows.

heavyblinker -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 9:05:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji In fact, blinker, look at post 110 from edweird. There you go with banking industry rules as I point out. Of course you missed that because you're not aware enough of what happened. To you it was all just push posh brought about by the bad Bush. Very poor thinking actually. Yes, I saw it... I agree with what he's saying. I'm not sure what your point is. Why do you think I'm blaming Bush? I mentioned Bush because I was trying to discern the nature of this conspiracy. Bama had just brought up the Dems controlling both houses and I thought maybe he was suggesting they caused the crisis to help get Obama elected. I was hoping that he would say that this was the only way Obama could have won the 2008 election. I didn't say Bush alone caused the crisis.

Nnanji -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 9:10:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji So yes, the Dems intentionally crashed the economy. But their buddies made a lot of money. Google how much Jamie Gerelic made. So the fact that people profited from the crash proves it was intentional? Or is it the fact that some of the stimulus investments didn't pay off? Yeah, and Republicans made not a dime. He's just gonna keep spinning ya. It's the only game he knows. Wow MM, playing your little game. Not a word in the discussion except negativity. Sure Republicans made money. You heard Trump say he saw it coming and profited from it. That was the purpose, to rape middle class and send the money to the ruling class. All of the ruling class made money off of the actions put in place by Clinton and Carter. Hey, the Clinton's left the White House dead broke and now have hundreds of millions of dollars. It paid off for him.

heavyblinker -> RE: These aren't "protests" (11/16/2016 9:37:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji Once you've understood what actually happened and shown enough knowledge to discuss this you can ask all of the stupid leading questions you wish. In the mean time make declarative statements and take my statements as a whole rather than trying to cherry pick and bait me. I was cherry picking because I quoted you saying that the Dems intentionally crashed the economy? Sorry, I guess I just got excited because it was my favorite part. I get that you're desperate to hold the Democrats entirely responsible but I think you're alluding to more than incompetence as the cause. It seems there was a deliberate plot involved both before and after the crash. This rabbit hole must go deeper than brainwashed sheeple like me could ever comprehend... especially since all we do is watch MSNBC, worship Hillary and angrily accuse people of being racists. I might point out that Barney Frank himself disagrees with your version of the story, not that you would ever take him at his word: http://democrats.financialservices.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=382689 But seriously, why is it that every time a crisis occurs, the RWNJs are right there with a conspiracy theory to explain it all as being the product of insidious, predatory minds? Is it totally beyond the scope of reason to suggest that maybe the real problem was simply yet another tremendous failure to communicate? Or that competent people make mistakes due to their own deep-rooted ideological beliefs? Why does it always have to come back to 'these evil government sociopaths are trying to ruin our lives for their own personal gain'? Why can't we simply admit that sometimes our ideologies fail us or blind us to the truth, despite our good intentions? I highly doubt that the government or any one political party is comprised almost exclusively of soulless predators. Even Trump is an egomaniac who probably only became fascist due to a lack of self-awareness... I mean, he has already admitted that he hates to read books and most of what he says has been gleaned from the same backwards trash that gets endlessly regurgitated on boards like these in discussions like this. He probably just thinks the presidency will get him laid, and his immaturity and incompetence is dangerous, but I don't think his main goal is to destroy America. The fact that he probably will is beside the point. And risking the continued prosperity of America and its values is pretty much what you're accusing the Dems of if you seriously think they would intentionally crash the economy. Most politicians want the economy to succeed and America to be great... if only because success is easier to turn into votes and being corrupt puts you at a risk of being caught, and being immature means you won't last long. The GOP (not Trump) dreams of a return to the glory days of Reagan, the Dems want FDR or possibly some variant of European-style socialism... sure they bend the rules in pursuit of their goals, but mostly because they feel that they can do good things for the country. Of course there are idiots in every field, but for the majority the issue isn't whether or not they're all slimy inhuman monsters or noble defenders of human righteousness, it's whether or not what they believe is right is good or bad for the country. If you're actually interested in unity, you should be a little more diplomatic and stop filling your head with paranoid bullshit.

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