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MercTech -> A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/17/2016 11:51:06 PM)

I have been having trouble getting my 80+ uncle to understand why the Clinton Email Server Scandal was really and truly a big deal. And, it was one of the key reasons people turned out in droves to vote against Hillary Clinton. Note, I don't say vote FOR Trump. By the time she was done alienating people there were enough people who would have voted Sauron of Mordor before they would have voted for her.

Anyway, Karen Straughn on why the Clinton emails matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5flSZ-FVM




Lucylastic -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 12:14:48 AM)

The popular vote says more people voted for Clinton, Those that didnt vote at all were on BOTH sides against BOTH candidates. but Karen doesnt explain the email situation, she spins it, shes apparently not very good at what she does.





Edwird -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 1:17:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech
I have been having trouble getting my 80+ uncle to understand why the Clinton Email Server Scandal was really and truly a big deal. And, it was one of the key reasons people turned out in droves to vote against Hillary Clinton. Note, I don't say vote FOR Trump. By the time she was done alienating people there were enough people who would have voted Sauron of Mordor before they would have voted for her.

Anyway, Karen Straughn on why the Clinton emails matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5flSZ-FVM


Before I bother to read it; did the author explain why Clinton's putative email/server indiscretions were more significant or impactful than lying to the American public and the world about WMD in a country that the US VP and the oil companies had the hots for, thereby worsening the security situation in the US and in much of the world for years to come? Or why Clinton email situation is worse than the high crime treason of blowing the cover of CIA operations officer Valerie Plame and all of her hard-won operatives?

So, apparently all these people supposedly voted 'against Clinton in voting for Trump' because of emails, yet had no issues with outright treason (as per 2004 election), and you expect anybody to give a shit about what these treasonous idiots think?






Greta75 -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 1:17:41 AM)

She may have won the popular vote, but fact is, less people turn up for her than Obama. So the reason she lost is, because she didn't inspire enough people to come out and vote for her. And she didn't reach out to everybody. She was only focus on minorities.

Trump has lesser votes but he managed to motivate people who didn't vote in previous elections to come out and support him. Trump managed to tap into a group of voters that does not usually vote to bring up his numbers. On top of that, he motivated these people to come out of hiding in the blue states that Obama won.

While I think Hillary just didn't motivate the people who voted for Obama to vote for her as well. Many just stayed home. They might have preferred Bernie.





BamaD -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 1:38:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

I have been having trouble getting my 80+ uncle to understand why the Clinton Email Server Scandal was really and truly a big deal. And, it was one of the key reasons people turned out in droves to vote against Hillary Clinton. Note, I don't say vote FOR Trump. By the time she was done alienating people there were enough people who would have voted Sauron of Mordor before they would have voted for her.

Anyway, Karen Straughn on why the Clinton emails matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5flSZ-FVM

I would have seriously considered Sauron, and then the email broke.




BamaD -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 1:42:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird


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ORIGINAL: MercTech
I have been having trouble getting my 80+ uncle to understand why the Clinton Email Server Scandal was really and truly a big deal. And, it was one of the key reasons people turned out in droves to vote against Hillary Clinton. Note, I don't say vote FOR Trump. By the time she was done alienating people there were enough people who would have voted Sauron of Mordor before they would have voted for her.

Anyway, Karen Straughn on why the Clinton emails matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5flSZ-FVM


Before I bother to read it; did the author explain why Clinton's putative email/server indiscretions were more significant or impactful than lying to the American public and the world about WMD in a country that the US VP and the oil companies had the hots for, thereby worsening the security situation in the US and in much of the world for years to come? Or why Clinton email situation is worse than the high crime treason of blowing the cover of CIA operations officer Valerie Plame and all of her hard-won operatives?

So, apparently all these people supposedly voted 'against Clinton in voting for Trump' because of emails, yet had no issues with outright treason (as per 2004 election), and you expect anybody to give a shit about what these treasonous idiots think?




Lying to the public isn't a crime, passing on the information from 7 different countries even less so.
Putting classified information on a unsecured server on the other hand is a felony.




MrRodgers -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 2:23:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Edwird


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ORIGINAL: MercTech
I have been having trouble getting my 80+ uncle to understand why the Clinton Email Server Scandal was really and truly a big deal. And, it was one of the key reasons people turned out in droves to vote against Hillary Clinton. Note, I don't say vote FOR Trump. By the time she was done alienating people there were enough people who would have voted Sauron of Mordor before they would have voted for her.

Anyway, Karen Straughn on why the Clinton emails matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5flSZ-FVM


Before I bother to read it; did the author explain why Clinton's putative email/server indiscretions were more significant or impactful than lying to the American public and the world about WMD in a country that the US VP and the oil companies had the hots for, thereby worsening the security situation in the US and in much of the world for years to come? Or why Clinton email situation is worse than the high crime treason of blowing the cover of CIA operations officer Valerie Plame and all of her hard-won operatives?

So, apparently all these people supposedly voted 'against Clinton in voting for Trump' because of emails, yet had no issues with outright treason (as per 2004 election), and you expect anybody to give a shit about what these treasonous idiots think?




Lying to the public isn't a crime, passing on the information from 7 different countries even less so.
Putting classified information on a unsecured server on the other hand is a felony.

Which produced the greatest and most detrimental effect on the nations security, finances and gravitas in the world ? I'll take private email servers over W's corruption...every time.

To create the surveillance society that W's first 4 years did, to go through arguably $11-$13 trillion on tax cuts (outlandish dereliction of duty on bank regulation, producing a net loss of jobs and a loss of Trillion$ in GDP over the 2nd 4 years) plus two wars, to actually create the so-called 'war on terror'...W was this country's most useful idiot of all time and whose 'cult' was made up of nothing but criminals.

W's 8 years gave is the new right wing that I called real nonconservative not a simple neocon that IS the repub right of today and...starting with Reagan.




Edwird -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 4:00:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
... did the author explain why Clinton's putative email/server indiscretions were more significant or impactful than lying to the American public and the world about WMD in a country that the US VP and the oil companies had the hots for, thereby worsening the security situation in the US and in much of the world for years to come? Or why Clinton email situation is worse than the high crime treason of blowing the cover of CIA operations officer Valerie Plame and all of her hard-won operatives?

So, apparently all these people supposedly voted 'against Clinton in voting for Trump' because of emails, yet had no issues with outright treason (as per 2004 election), and you expect anybody to give a shit about what these treasonous idiots think?

Lying to the public isn't a crime, passing on the information from 7 different countries even less so.
Putting classified information on a unsecured server on the other hand is a felony.


What in the US (or Brit or Euro) press told us about this alleged 'information from 7 different countries'? From creditable sources, that is.

And, no surprise, you missed the point entirely; " ... did the author explain why Clinton's putative email/server indiscretions were more significant or impactful than lying to the American public ... "the high crime treason of blowing the cover of CIA operations officer Valerie Plame and all of her hard-won operatives?"

"Putting classified information on a unsecured server on the other hand is a felony."

Which has yet to be proved, and certainly not at time of voting. The only evidence thus far is that content of -some- emails were relegated to 'classified' 2-4 years after the fact.

Nevertheless, thanks for clarifying that your idea of 'patriotism' is based upon lying that ultimately results in increased terrorism, and on treason.

Just another advocate of treason, with guns; oh joy for the US.





Awareness -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 4:04:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The popular vote says more people voted for Clinton, Those that didnt vote at all were on BOTH sides against BOTH candidates. but Karen doesnt explain the email situation, she spins it, shes apparently not very good at what she does.


Karen Straughan is a waitress. How do you feel competent to comment on the quality of her work?




Lucylastic -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 4:16:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The popular vote says more people voted for Clinton, Those that didnt vote at all were on BOTH sides against BOTH candidates. but Karen doesnt explain the email situation, she spins it, shes apparently not very good at what she does.


Karen Straughan is a waitress. How do you feel competent to comment on the quality of her work?





oh dear.
we are discussing her blog, her explanation of the mail situation and her youtube video.
She is also an MRA in canada, and antifeminist, Ive read her stuff before, numpty dumbty.




Awareness -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 4:16:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird
Before I bother to read it; did the author explain why Clinton's putative email/server indiscretions were more significant or impactful than lying to the American public and the world about WMD in a country that the US VP and the oil companies had the hots for, thereby worsening the security situation in the US and in much of the world for years to come? Or why Clinton email situation is worse than the high crime treason of blowing the cover of CIA operations officer Valerie Plame and all of her hard-won operatives?
Why would anyone do that? Clinton's violation of government security policy is unrelated to these extraneous events. Your notion that someone needs to prove a greater degree of culpability in order for her to be held accountable for her actions is fallacious in the extreme.

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So, apparently all these people supposedly voted 'against Clinton in voting for Trump' because of emails, yet had no issues with outright treason (as per 2004 election), and you expect anybody to give a shit about what these treasonous idiots think?
Clinton's culpability has nothing to do with what people think. It's a matter of record. Or are you arguing that she deserves special treatment because she's a woman?

Ah, Leftists. Anti-evidence, anti-rationality, anti-reason.








WickedsDesire -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 6:02:52 AM)

President predator bankrupt chaos trump CV reads like several train wrecks.
Who votes for a man:

1. Who has filed for bankruptcy 4 times
2. “It has not been easy for me ... My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars”
3. Pays shag all tax
4. Has 3,500 pending lawsuits
5. Insults war heroes and the fallen “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Your commander and chief ffs.
6. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever
7. "grab women by the pussy”
8. Insults brown people
9. Insults black people
10. Insults Islamic people
11. “rapist criminals – referring to Mexicans
12. Burns and shreds all his business documents and emails
13. “I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.” WTF does that mean git.
14. Two Corinthians, right? Two Corinthians 3:17, that’s the whole ballgame. Where the spirit of the Lord—right?—is, there is liberty! Holy fuk Donald and its second Corinthians
15. “Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife! Ffs again Donald wtf does that mean
16. “I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.” April 18, 2016, speech in Buffalo, New York, misidentifying the 9/11 attacks. Wicked Shakes his head
17. His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald’s being — you know, shot. I mean…mad waffle etc
18. Trump alleges that Bill Clinton committed rape as well as other sexual offenses. Same allegations are against him and his hot mic predatory speech tells you what manner of beast he is.
19. “The judge was appointed by Barack Obama, federal judge. Frankly, he should recuse himself because he’s given us ruling after ruling after ruling, negative, negative, negative. What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine.” A fine speaker he is not.
20. “Look at my African American over here!”
21. “Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!” Fuking imbecile
22. “He was a bad guy—really bad guy. But you know what? He did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didn’t read them the rights. They didn’t talk. They were terrorists. Over. Today, Iraq is Harvard for terrorism.”
23. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens."
24. “He’s not going into Ukraine, OK? Just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, alright? You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.” The are already in Crimea fuking moron and took it back from the Ukraine.
25. “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.”
26. If [Hillary Clinton] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”
27. “ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He founded ISIS. And I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton. You should be in a fuking asylum you deranged loon


Did you explain that to your 80+ uncle - nah. Did you also explain why a creature with 23% of the vote and that CV got in





Real0ne -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 6:36:11 AM)

So your point then is that the only way to go is better.


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everything britain and their banking pals touches turns to shit.



The world has continued to borrow hand over fist since the financial crisis, adding nearly $60 trillion since 2007 in the process of pushing the worldwide debt load to $200 trillion, or nearly three times the size of the entire global economy.Feb 22, 2016



you and I had damn well better have collateral to back up our loans, they are using YOU as collateral and your FUTURE labor as collateral.

Its a loan when you do it slavery when it outside of your control and THEY do it.

Congress has the authority to establish taxes and no one can legally contest it.

We the gubblemint..........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag









Real0ne -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 6:45:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The popular vote says more people voted for Clinton, Those that didnt vote at all were on BOTH sides against BOTH candidates. but Karen doesnt explain the email situation, she spins it, shes apparently not very good at what she does.





if you are all butthurt over it lucy by all means lobby for amenedments that give nutsucks additional electors on demand!

No one will care if california has 270, thats fair [8|]




WickedsDesire -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 8:22:24 AM)

There is an article on the BBC website today where the chancellor (has no idea who that is) of the UK says he still aspires for a surplus..google it that lyng clown, short on even one detail, is not worth my time

Term one the torynazi party campaigned on running at a surplus and it would be achieved after year 4- first term.
Term two the torynazi party campaigned on running at a surplus and it would be achieved then whence they got in they had abit of a change of mind, but absolutely by the year year 2020 (beyond term 2) - they would be at a surplus and to get there they cut everything, and curiously no closer, and that included raiding the royal mail pension fund and adding it on to their lies...and raided everyone pensions, most people dignity, and upped the retirement age to 150....and yet they are further away from the goal from because of their lies, and dammed lies, borken promises aplenty, and have yet to offer an explanation. nor apology, or be tried for their crimes against humanity

Ooo is their a difference between deficit and debt




Edwird -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 8:33:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
Before I bother to read it; did the author explain why Clinton's putative email/server indiscretions were more significant or impactful than lying to the American public and the world about WMD in a country that the US VP and the oil companies had the hots for, thereby worsening the security situation in the US and in much of the world for years to come? Or why Clinton email situation is worse than the high crime treason of blowing the cover of CIA operations officer Valerie Plame and all of her hard-won operatives?
Why would anyone do that? Clinton's violation of government security policy is unrelated to these extraneous events.


Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz's intentional distortions of reality and their high crime act of treason re the CIA operations officer are a matter of record; suppositions of Clinton's emails putative indiscretions are not, as yet. Thereby are the first two items not considered "extraneous events" other than by an inveterate fuckwit.

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Your notion that someone needs to prove a greater degree of culpability in order for her to be held accountable for her actions is fallacious in the extreme.


I pointed out the glaringly obvious disparity as to which of the items referenced presented greater harm to the nation and the world. Put your face back in the pudding bowl, boy.

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Clinton's culpability has nothing to do with what people think. It's a matter of record.


According to the OP, Clinton's supposed (not proved) culpability had everything to do with it, too bad about your grossly deficient mental faculties in ignorance of that.

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Or are you arguing that she deserves special treatment because she's a woman?


Oh, no, dear sweet boy, you and only you deserve special treatment, the mirror tells you that every day.






ThatDizzyChick -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 8:55:05 AM)

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A Canadian actually explains it better....

We usually do.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 8:59:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The popular vote says more people voted for Clinton, Those that didnt vote at all were on BOTH sides against BOTH candidates. but Karen doesnt explain the email situation, she spins it, shes apparently not very good at what she does.


Karen Straughan is a waitress. How do you feel competent to comment on the quality of her work?


Well everybody has dealt with waitresses, so they are likely quite familiar with what is required to do the job well.




MercTech -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 9:31:03 AM)

Ok, I know I have a kettle of shit size spoon to stir with somewhere....
Get the horns affixed to the hat properly.
Devil's advocate engaged....


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

President predator bankrupt chaos trump CV reads like several train wrecks.
Who votes for a man:

1. Who has filed for bankruptcy 4 times

If you never take risks you never fail and never succeed you just maintain.
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2. “It has not been easy for me ... My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars”
3. Pays shag all tax

It sounds like you are quoting the CV of the majority of U.S. politicians. So what?
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4. Has 3,500 pending lawsuits

If you never actually do anything or if everything you do is behind the shield of the public office laws; no one can legally express in a meaningful way that you MADE THEM EFFING ANGRY AT YOU. Rich = Lawsuit Target
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5. Insults war heroes and the fallen “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Your commander and chief ffs.
6. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever
7. "grab women by the pussy”
8. Insults brown people
9. Insults black people
10. Insults Islamic people
11. “rapist criminals – referring to Mexicans

So, like, you consider Donald Trump and equal opportunity insulter? (think over the top valley girl accent)
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12. Burns and shreds all his business documents and emails

So do I. Point?
Donald Trump has never held a Federal Security Clearance and has never had to deal with Federal protocols for classified material. Hillary Clinton did and either willfully violated the requirements or was so clueless as to not understand the requirements when she signed the briefing acknowledgement upon receiving her clearance for the post of Secretary of State for the whole friggin' country! In the military such actions, when discovered, would result in at a minimum "Found to demonstrably unreliable and unfit for military service. Dishonorable discharge for the good of the service."
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13. “I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.” WTF does that mean git.

A badly crafted sentence stating that the word "nuclear" brings to his mind nuclear power plants and not bombs.
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14. Two Corinthians, right? Two Corinthians 3:17, that’s the whole ballgame. Where the spirit of the Lord—right?—is, there is liberty! Holy fuk Donald and its second Corinthians
15. “Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife! Ffs again Donald wtf does that mean
16. “I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.” April 18, 2016, speech in Buffalo, New York, misidentifying the 9/11 attacks. Wicked Shakes his head
17. His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald’s being — you know, shot. I mean…mad waffle etc

And this has to do with Hillary Clinton's peccadilloes how?
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18. Trump alleges that Bill Clinton committed rape as well as other sexual offenses. Same allegations are against him and his hot mic predatory speech tells you what manner of beast he is.

Trash talk vs actually being proven to have committed acts. A difference in culpability I think.
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19. “The judge was appointed by Barack Obama, federal judge. Frankly, he should recuse himself because he’s given us ruling after ruling after ruling, negative, negative, negative. What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine.” A fine speaker he is not.
20. “Look at my African American over here!”
21. “Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!” Fuking imbecile
22. “He was a bad guy—really bad guy. But you know what? He did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didn’t read them the rights. They didn’t talk. They were terrorists. Over. Today, Iraq is Harvard for terrorism.”
23. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens."
24. “He’s not going into Ukraine, OK? Just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, alright? You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.” The are already in Crimea fuking moron and took it back from the Ukraine.
25. “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.”

Is there a reason for a bunch of silly out of context blurbs? BTW, google Crimean War some time. Britain, France, and the Ottoman Empire teamed up and fought a pointless war to keep the ethnically Russians of Crimea from becoming a Russian Province instead of a vassal of Ukraine.
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26. If [Hillary Clinton] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”

That rather stands on its own. There are several politicians in Washington that can be seen as having declared war on mainstream America. Hillary in this election was their point man and soundly rejected.
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27. “ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He founded ISIS. And I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton. You should be in a fuking asylum you deranged loon


The policy of providing arms and training to tribal people without care for their political and religious beliefs gave us Isis, Daesh, etc. Yeah, saying ISIS is honoring Obama is a cheap shot at the people whose policy armed ISIS. Nothing about the 2016 election kept the rhetoric above the belt.
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Did you explain that to your 80+ uncle - nah. Did you also explain why a creature with 23% of the vote and that CV got in

He finally got it. Enough people in the U.S. found Hillary Clinton's actions over the last 40 years to be an ethical emetic. "Anyone but Hillary" won the election.




WickedsDesire -> RE: A Canadian actually explains it better.... (11/18/2016 10:18:11 AM)

MercTech why bother me shall I show you my mind is is a sight to behold. You will find Hilary actually won the election...have your bitch on the back of that motorcycle call me...that is her is it not?

There exists within me the devil itself and we typically hurl a bucket of ravenous piranhas over advocates, or enablers of their mad waffle

I claim myself to be me, I would have that no other way, and i span all of time and all your kindred not one piece of nonsense..you are the many..my plan is to entrap you all in the one place and explode wicked bomb…shes calling me on the back of the bike right?…or may perhaps that is not a real person…




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