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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/24/2016 11:44:21 AM   
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Jesus always preached about the actions of individuals. He never said to have the government do it.

You're saying Jesus was a lefty?
What's going on with all of these tax fraudsters, plutocrats and pork barrelistas taking his name in vain while ignoring his advice to the rich man, then?

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/25/2016 1:47:29 PM   
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A Christian doesn't look at much of anything that the left advocates as progressive. They call most of it sinful.



Imo many so called "Christians" aren't very christian, most are hypocrites..

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/25/2016 4:30:08 PM   
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ive said stuff like this before, when you can change words to mean whatever you want them to mean, then anyone, most likely Christians, will be "hypocrites."

at the same time, I observe that people leveling charges at Christians do so from the perspective of not really understanding Christianity.

the first thing id ask you is, exactly what is a Christian?

and then, how is it that so many of them are "hypocrites?"

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/25/2016 4:41:55 PM   
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none of them are xtians, and all of them are hypocrites.
And that is in the meaning of the words.

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 6:02:28 AM   
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Another article on a subject dear to Liberal academic hearts.

You are a complete mental incompetent with an inability to engage in a discussion which requires more than your 3rd grade reading level.


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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 6:03:30 AM   
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Which, as the data show, was exactly what happened with the white working class and those with strong religious convictions. Fully two-thirds of white voters without college degrees voted for Donald Trump, as did over 80 percent of white evangelicals.

Is Mark Lilla telling us that white working class without college degrees and the strongly religious are not Identity Groups? Absurd.

As the child of immigrant parents I was always aware of my ethnic identity. My surname shouts it out loud and proud (thank you James Brown) Identity politics have been the American game since early in the 19th Century. Nothing new in that and not going to go away anytime soon. Hillary lost because she couldn't come up with an answer to the economic angst of the middle class.

This ramble of an op-ed is just a long, erudite knock off of Rodney King's "Why can't we all just get along?" Don't hold your breath, bro.
It's an insightful critique of the identity politics train which Leftists think they can ride to electoral victory. Your inability to understand it is completely consistent with your low IQ.


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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 6:16:55 AM   
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Here's a blast of cold air from the NYT comments section on identity politics and democrats:

"I'm already tired of the lectures about how we should try to understand the pain of the white rural voter. I live in the most conservative town in America, McBain MI. Let me tell you what I've learned living liberal in rural America. The farmers, who are attached to the Government by the hip, think the EPA is going to ride around in 4 wheelers in putting them out of business because of a puddle in their driveway. They actually believe that liberals will take their guns away. The day before the election, the front page of our local paper did not separate the candidates by issues but by their stance on abortion. Teenage girls here have kids before they get out of high school. Lest you think any Dem could get elected here, let me disabuse you of that notion. The only time there's a dem on the ballot here is for national elections. Everything from the SC to dog catcher is run by Republicans and they wouldn't vote for a Dem if his name was Jesus Christ. Oh, and let me add that I've been getting death threats and misogynist hate mail for nearly 20 years. Pastors here preach Obama is the anti-Christ and their religion is under siege. Dems are never going to crack the rural nut of fake news, religion and tribalism at least in my rural area. This is a different breed of people, closed minded, insular and uncurious about anything beyond the town limits."

So racism is bad except when an idiotic Leftist with barely a brain cell to rub together starts talking about "breeds", amirite?

The commonality between Leftist articles of faith and the faith-based aspects of Christianity is so thick that when idiot Leftists try and ignore it - but replicate Christian proselytizing - it becomes clear that unrepentant Leftism is pretty much a sign that someone was a member of the 'special' class who took a few extra years to learn to read.

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 6:18:54 AM   
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It always amazes me, although you'd think I'd be over it by now, what lefties can come up with in order to stop any discussion of ideas outside their beliefs.

Personally, I find that very common trait to be independent of political persuasion.

I have to admit, Im wondering how posting a meme, is trying to stop discussion..
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt.


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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 6:55:30 AM   
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It's an insightful critique of the identity politics train which Leftists think they can ride to electoral victory. Your inability to understand it is completely consistent with your low IQ.

Your ignorance of the history of identity groups in the US disqualifies you from a meaningful discussion. Clearly, white working class men are an interest group and clearly Clinton received two million more votes than Trump. Mark Lilla's declaration of the death of identity group politics is premature.

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 7:03:21 AM   
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It's an insightful critique of the identity politics train which Leftists think they can ride to electoral victory. Your inability to understand it is completely consistent with your low IQ.

Your ignorance of the history of identity groups in the US disqualifies you from a meaningful discussion. Clearly, white working class men are an interest group and clearly Clinton received two million more votes than Trump. Mark Lilla's declaration of the death of identity group politics is premature.
Group identity is social, not racial. The pandering to specific identity groups as identified by the Left has failed on a massive scale with the Left losing not only the White House, but the House, the Senate and a bunchy of governorships. Clinton's number of votes has mysteriously failed to improve the electoral map for the Democrats. It's almost like they were rejected wholesale by the vast majority of the country.

Mark Lilla is a professor of humanities at Columbia. I think it highly unlikely that a Leftist such as yourself with poor reasoning faculties, is capable of - let alone likely to produce - a cogent criticism of his essay.

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 7:05:06 AM   
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The Left advocates for the dignity of the poor and oppressed and for the liberation of the victims of predatory Capitalism.
*snigger* Tell that to all the homeless men about which feminists - on many occasions - have demonstrated they do not give a shit.


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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 7:07:45 AM   
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It's an insightful critique of the identity politics train which Leftists think they can ride to electoral victory. Your inability to understand it is completely consistent with your low IQ.

Your ignorance of the history of identity groups in the US disqualifies you from a meaningful discussion. Clearly, white working class men are an interest group and clearly Clinton received two million more votes than Trump. Mark Lilla's declaration of the death of identity group politics is premature.
Group identity is social, not racial. The pandering to specific identity groups as identified by the Left has failed on a massive scale with the Left losing not only the White House, but the House, the Senate and a bunchy of governorships. Clinton's number of votes has mysteriously failed to improve the electoral map for the Democrats. It's almost like they were rejected wholesale by the vast majority of the country.

Mark Lilla is a professor of humanities at Columbia. I think it highly unlikely that a Leftist such as yourself with poor reasoning faculties, is capable of - let alone likely to produce - a cogent criticism of his essay.

In America racial is social, has been throughout our unique history. Again it is clear you don't understand that history you have to lean on the authority credentials of Mark Lilla. How pathetic is that for a discussion.


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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 7:17:25 AM   
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In America racial is social, has been throughout our unique history.
No, racial is only social if you DECIDE that you want it to be. That's a very specific choice. Culture transcends race - unless you're determined to split people up into identity groups you can try and control and pander to.

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Again it is clear you don't understand that history you have to lean on the authority credentials of Mark Lilla. How pathetic is that for a discussion.



You're failing to make a valid critique of his essay. I make a statement of probability in regards to your ability to do so. Either construct a valid critique or acknowledge I'm correct. Those are the only two options available to you.


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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 8:10:44 AM   
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It always amazes me, although you'd think I'd be over it by now, what lefties can come up with in order to stop any discussion of ideas outside their beliefs.

Personally, I find that very common trait to be independent of political persuasion.

I have to admit, Im wondering how posting a meme, is trying to stop discussion..

That doesn't surprise me. As a troll with very little to contribute, besides snark, to any conversation I'm sure it is difficult for you to understand.

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 9:10:58 AM   
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It's an insightful critique of the identity politics train which Leftists think they can ride to electoral victory. Your inability to understand it is completely consistent with your low IQ.

Your ignorance of the history of identity groups in the US disqualifies you from a meaningful discussion. Clearly, white working class men are an interest group and clearly Clinton received two million more votes than Trump. Mark Lilla's declaration of the death of identity group politics is premature.

How many of those votes came from dead people (Colorado), illegal aliens (California), voting overseers (Broward County, Fla)?

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 9:25:28 AM   
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Which, as the data show, was exactly what happened with the white working class and those with strong religious convictions. Fully two-thirds of white voters without college degrees voted for Donald Trump, as did over 80 percent of white evangelicals.

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Is Mark Lilla telling us that white working class without college degrees and the strongly religious are not Identity Groups? Absurd.

Where is the absurdity? Lilla was examining and explaining his interpritation of data. While that data was not what failed leftists want to hear about a failed ideology, it is data. If you find the data absurd, then dispute the data with different or better data. Be scientific. Each of us should read alternate data, and the interpritation thereof, and come to our own conclusions. Your exclamation of absurdity because it doesn't conform to your particular beliefs deserves the same merit as does cloudboy's exclusion of others as a different breed of humans.

In fact, one of the salient points that most people, who are placed in leftist little groups, hold against leftist ideology is identification. Just as you are doing here, the leftists scream that their identity of people is the only correct identity as they force square pegs into round holes. And I can say the above, in this paragraph, with the same determination as you call absurdity. Your passion does not trump mine. Without data to dispute an absurdity your opinion is no more than a belief, an alternate absolute belief akin to religious thought.


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As the child of immigrant parents I was always aware of my ethnic identity. My surname shouts it out loud and proud (thank you James Brown) Identity politics have been the American game since early in the 19th Century. Nothing new in that and not going to go away anytime soon. Hillary lost because she couldn't come up with an answer to the economic angst of the middle class.


Your story is of no importance. All it contains is one data point that you raise to silence other thought. Right here and now I say my story disputes your story and you are absurd. There...two stories in which the data dispute each other. Your story is now moot.

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http://chancellor.ucsc.edu/communications/speeches/founders-2014.html

As we feel both the challenge and the opportunity of globalization, we must be guided by greater empathy, greater understanding, a greater sense of our interconnectedness


Your story may evoke emotional context, which is the vehicle the left uses to force those little square pegs, but it doesn't make scientific validity. In fact what it does is show just how wrongly aligned you are when you cry absurd when presented with data. A story may generate empathy, but emotion does not make scientific fact and does not actually contribute to greater understanding. A story creates, at most, one data point.


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This ramble of an op-ed is just a long, erudite knock off of Rodney King's "Why can't we all just get along?" Don't hold your breath, bro.


Actually, your statement is factually incorrect. "Why can't we all just get along" is a story with no fact based standing. Lilla interpreted data and made suggestions in his article. He opened a discussion and discussed possible ways to forward a discussion based on data driven information. The fact that you liken it to your story only shows that you are emotional driven instead of fact base driven and that you are using your story to end discussion on an emotional note rather than deal with data.

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 10:24:22 AM   
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The Left advocates for the dignity of the poor and oppressed and for the liberation of the victims of predatory Capitalism.


As have the leading lights of the Christian church here in the UK. The flavour of Christianity beloved of the Right in the USA is astonishing to most Christians here.


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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 10:29:49 AM   
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The Left advocates for the dignity of the poor and oppressed and for the liberation of the victims of predatory Capitalism.


As have the leading lights of the Christian church here in the UK. The flavour of Christianity beloved of the Right in the USA is astonishing to most Christians here.



I think the difference is that the left advocates it's an issue to be dealt with via taxes and the right advocates it's an issue to be dealt with by individuals. Jesus agreed with the right on that one.

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 11:01:05 AM   
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"Why can't we all just get along" is a story with no fact based standing

Just like "hands up, don't shoot" is a total fallacy as well. But the Left has never been concerned with facts. They can't argue facts, so they have no choice but to turn to emotionalism and false narratives.

*And for those who are yelling about the popular vote - get educated. We don't live in a pure Democracy for a reason - we have a Democratic Republic. That is so that the majority can't always dictate to the minority. Funny - you would think that would be what the Left is always for protecting - until it doesn't get them their way....

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RE: Interesting Op-Ed in NY Times - 11/26/2016 11:59:36 AM   
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