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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/26/2016 12:34:20 AM   
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But when it comes to who is in power in Sweden or whatever, who is paying attention ? The reason nobody is paying attention is that none of these countries are armed well enough to do anything even if they wanted to.

It isn't always arms or firepower that could cripple the US, Termy.

The economics of either side is just as powerful as having weapons.
According to Europa.eu, Total US investment in the EU is three times higher than in all of Asia.
They also say: The European Union and the United States have the largest bilateral trade relationship and enjoy the most integrated economic relationship in the world.

So it's about time the US started taking notice of what happens in Europe.
With Marie Le Pen of the French National Front getting good support and Angela Merkel getting defeated in several areas of the country by the German AFD party, both contenders want to come out of the EU and both countries have elections next year.
The Belgians have also said they are wanting to leave the EU, as do Bulgaria and Lithuania.

It seems that Brexit has caused an Anti-Establishment uprising in several countries.
If any others succeed in leaving, Europe will only be a shadow of its former self.
That will impact quite dramatically on the economic front.
A country can be brought to its knees economically as well as militarily.

Think about that!!



Can't disagree completely. If a foreign power were to invade it would serve to unite us as a People and maybe be good for us. Let them find out why we have private gun ownership. I know the second amendment means to give us the ability to fight the government but that is not all. If the Chinese finally decided they want their money back or whatever, their troops would not know where the next bullet is coming from.

But if a bunch of major trading partners got together and got dead set on destroying the US, the government would be destroyed from within the country. If you get people hungry they will blame the government. Despite what people say, all the military might of the US government simply cannot be used against the US People. They can't nuke this country. They can't gas everyone, and if they start that shit you are going to have military desertions and all that out the ass. Read The Turner Diaries for a glimpse of how it might go. Don't bother reading Hunter (sequel by the same author) it is pretty much insufferable. Turer Diraies is bad enough, but it brings up alot of point about what would happen if this country had a real war. We attack other countries, ot the other way around. So when a Bush says they hate our freedom and democracy he is right, the democracy to elect a warlord working for the oil companies and the freedom affected by our superior weapons. If you lived there you would hate it too. If not for the shit in 1953 in Iran, they might have a space program ad put a Man on the moon. They are not a stupid people.

But after the US' meddling, it was much easier for the clerics to convince the People that there is a "great satan".

Good doing eh ?

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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/26/2016 12:36:31 AM   
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He loves his country and is never going to lose an election because the People are happy.

Are you naive, Termy, or just being a "useful tool?"

Vote-rigging sparked big anti-government street protests after Russia's last parliamentary election in 2011.

In the system of "managed democracy" crafted by the Kremlin, it was unthinkable that President Putin's control of parliament would weaken, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg reports from Moscow.

HERE




Ad what the fuck do you call the political parties here who brought us this set of candidates ?

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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/26/2016 12:50:35 AM   
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He loves his country and is never going to lose an election because the People are happy.

Are you naive, Termy, or just being a "useful tool?"

Vote-rigging sparked big anti-government street protests after Russia's last parliamentary election in 2011.

In the system of "managed democracy" crafted by the Kremlin, it was unthinkable that President Putin's control of parliament would weaken, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg reports from Moscow.

HERE



Maybe he's one of those Soviet sleepers who was stranded in the 'States by the collapse of the Soviet Union and is having trouble hiding his glee that America has finally elected a president who'll be proud to be Putin's bitch rather than one of his enemies?


You're a fucking idiot. If you are the HNIC of the schoolyard there is always a second best who you can probably beat but will fuck you up in the process.

Clinton has no fucking idea, Russia has enough military toys to fuck the US up real good.

Here's how it is chump, the US is like a building with a thousand people with guns. Russia is like a LAWS rocket launcher. Their submarines are as good as ours, their rifles are better, their planes are better. We have ten times the number they do probably but really that might be all they need. Their figher jets outperform those of the US to the point where one of their might be able to take out ten of ours.

You got that fleagle ? It is not how much you spend or even how many you got, it is a matter or what the fucking thing can do.

you think I am in love with Putin ? Fuck you. That motherfucker was part if the Jew/Soviet system that robbed those countries of all they could get. He probably should have been executed, he probably had ore people killed than the Clintons. And his wealth today is basically his cut for playing ball with those goniffs.

But still, he has turned over a new leaf. Pretty fucking easy when you are a billionaire, so that does not make him a hero, not at all. But now he is interested in what is good for Russia. Like Trump, try to buy him and he will probably say "I don't care about money, tell me what this does for the country". I hope Trump takes that approach.

And anyone with this "Jew bashing" shit, I got facts from reliable sources, even Jews who fucking brag about their power and that the financial aid the US gives them goes to help lobby congress.

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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/26/2016 1:03:39 AM   
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Now now, the media in the U.S. cannot report on politics and elections in other countries because that would spoil the myth that the U.S. is the greatest country in the world and everyone wants to move to the U.S. Yes, that malarkey gets pushed on television and radio.


If you travel enough you come to realize that different isn't better or worse it is just different. And it is possible to admire and enjoy traveling in another culture without wanting to make your home over in another pattern or wanting to force another culture to be a clone of your own.


I tend to think others follow US elections because the US is the gorilla in the room.

Actually on multiple fora I have found Australians to be most vocal about it and think they know what is best for us. Well when you kidnap scientists from German occupied Europe and build the best weapon on the planet and put a Man on the moon we'll talk.

And they say we're savages for having guns. Shoot them, fukit. Really. Stupid motherfuckers. I am surprised there aren't ore shootings because these shootings are not caused by the presence of guns, they are caused by the presence of people who need to get shot. Don't believe me ? Let's go for a walk downtown at night.

Brits seem to get it a bit, they seem to understand that this is a different society, but them aussies are too dense for that. One retorted that they haven't been a prison colony since the 1800s. While that may be true, they apparently haven't learned all that much.

Blacks in the US did much better. It used to be illegal in some states to even teach them to read. Now, a couple hundred years later we got Black doctors, engineers and whatever. Took us thousands of years to build this society and they catch up within three centuries. Know what, if this keeps up Whites will be the inferior.

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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/26/2016 4:51:52 AM   
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That motherfucker was part if the Jew/Soviet system that robbed those countries of all they could get. He probably should have been executed, he probably had more people killed than the Clintons. And his wealth today is basically his cut for playing ball with those goniffs.

Not "was", "is".
His wealth today was acquired by looting the former infrastructure of the Soviet Union. An aggressive version of asset stripping with State assets, rather than corporate property.

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But still, he has turned over a new leaf. Pretty fucking easy when you are a billionaire, so that does not make him a hero, not at all. But now he is interested in what is good for Russia. Like Trump, try to buy him and he will probably say "I don't care about money, tell me what this does for the country". I hope Trump takes that approach.

Tell that to Stephen Curtis. Putin's attitude towards Russia is that it has made him rich and will continue to fatten his finances for him. The circus peanut will be trying to take Putin's approach but Putin's approach is not what you believe it to be.

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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/26/2016 7:54:36 PM   
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So when a Bush says they hate our freedom and democracy he is right, the democracy to elect a warlord working for the oil companies and the freedom affected by our superior weapons.


Just to clarify, I think Cheney and Rumsfeld were the actual warlords, we just elected their mime puppet.

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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/26/2016 8:11:00 PM   
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But when it comes to who is in power in Sweden or whatever, who is paying attention ? The reason nobody is paying attention is that none of these countries are armed well enough to do anything even if they wanted to.

It isn't always arms or firepower that could cripple the US, Termy.
The economics of either side is just as powerful as having weapons.
According to Europa.eu, Total US investment in the EU is three times higher than in all of Asia.
They also say: The European Union and the United States have the largest bilateral trade relationship and enjoy the most integrated economic relationship in the world.

So it's about time the US started taking notice of what happens in Europe.
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First of all, there are those in the US keeping tabs on what's going on in Europe. It's just not a common practice for the majority in the US to do so.

But, to what end should we be paying attention, FD? What if it's something the US doesn't find to be in it's favor? Are we to act? How would European countries react to the US meddling in their affairs?

Y'all make your own decisions. The majority of US citizens won't try to convince you one way or the other. We'll just react to whatever impact your decisions make on our daily lives. If it doesn't have an impact, expect no change from us.

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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/26/2016 9:38:52 PM   
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People pay more attention to the US because it's literally the biggest show on earth in terms of economic and political and military power. I haven't seen Europeans or many Asians who shy away from the 'reality show' aspect either. State as spectacle; it sells. This is the first time in history that the reigning super power and its every action has been so accessible to the outer world. Hard to expect the same attention being given to Belgium. That said, there are certainly a number of folks in the US who know that Belgium speaks French and Dutch, a few more who know they're called Walloons and Flemish, respectively. But does everybody need to know all that?

It might also be hard for others to understand that those in the US (pop. 312-30 M) have a much bigger political pile to wade through here before we even get to what's going on elsewhere. As for positions that have impact on and consequence to everyday and long term affairs, we've got 100 Senators, 50 governors, 15 executive departments in the Cabinet, and the head of the Federal Reserve.

See if you can handle all that, Denmark! (BTW, I do love your Ortofon cartridges for turntables. You guys are the best.)


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RE: I Noticed Something - 11/27/2016 1:29:39 AM   
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But when it comes to who is in power in Sweden or whatever, who is paying attention ? The reason nobody is paying attention is that none of these countries are armed well enough to do anything even if they wanted to.

It isn't always arms or firepower that could cripple the US, Termy.
The economics of either side is just as powerful as having weapons.
According to Europa.eu, Total US investment in the EU is three times higher than in all of Asia.
They also say: The European Union and the United States have the largest bilateral trade relationship and enjoy the most integrated economic relationship in the world.

So it's about time the US started taking notice of what happens in Europe.
...


First of all, there are those in the US keeping tabs on what's going on in Europe. It's just not a common practice for the majority in the US to do so.

But, to what end should we be paying attention, FD? What if it's something the US doesn't find to be in it's favor? Are we to act? How would European countries react to the US meddling in their affairs?

Y'all make your own decisions. The majority of US citizens won't try to convince you one way or the other. We'll just react to whatever impact your decisions make on our daily lives. If it doesn't have an impact, expect no change from us.

There's not enough paying attention tho Desi.

And it has nothing to do with the US 'meddling' in EU affairs, it's more like what the EU does (or might do) that has a direct affect on the US economy.

Let's take an exaggerated (but not impossible) scenario -
Let us suppose the circus peanut decides to scrap TPP or attempt to modify it to an extent where the other 11 countries disagree with him and kick the US out of TPP and go it alone. That's not such a far-fetched idea.
Let us also assume there is even more unrest within the European structure (very possible) even if next year's elections manage to keep it all together.
Now add Herr Drumpff's action plan to put huge tariffs on Chinese goods and to eject up to 3 million illegal immigrants.
What is likely to happen - especially from a US perspective?
Well, TPP will benefit all the other 11 countries and all trade with any of them will cost a lot more for anyone in the US.
The same for any Chinese goods; which could add up to a 45% premium to everyone in the US for their goods or components used in US goods.
If the political shift within Europe is enough, they are not likely to want any change in the bilateral agreement that Herr Drumphff would want for a more favourable US position. If anything, it would be to the contrary and the EU would want more favourable conditions for itself, not for the US.
That, in and of itself, in conjunction with the other changes that the circus peanut wants, could have a very dramatic and damaging economic effect on the US.
In essence, it would be economic suicide.
Prices would rocket.
You could face a bad recession.
Many goods could become scarce or disappear altogether and the US wouldn't have the capacity, or the facilities (or expertise) to make them in the US.
You also have to remember that many things which are US branded (laptop batteries, electronic components etc) are made in or sourced from China.

He says he wants to (re)negotiate separate bilateral agreements to favour the US instead of what they are now.
I can't see any country wanting to agree with that idea at all.
After all, unless there is some distinct advantage for them, they won't buy it.
With modern globalisation in trade agreements, nobody is going to want to give the US any advantage when they can very easily trade with everyone else.
Even now, the power of the almighty greenback has been eroded to the point where several other currencies are being used as a fall-back instead of the defacto choice of the US$.
The US will end up with what it has or (quite possibly) nothing at all and will have to fall back on WTO rules.

So, just 3 short ideas in Herr Drumphff's political arsenal that helped him win the election is actually not so good for the US overall.

That's why more Americans need to keep a mindful eye on what happens elsewhere in the world beyond it's own borders instead of continued isolationism because it would directly affect them and their living standards.


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