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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/27/2016 6:10:01 PM   
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"...a partnership of more than 40 civic... ...labor and agricultural groups..."

You may need to get your carer to help you with these big words. I know they're difficult but gaining an understanding of them will be beneficial to your mental healing.

Now why would you omit the "business groups" from your quote?
How about you list those 40 groups of foxes you would have guard the hen house?


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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 2:14:51 AM   
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hey troll, not the inane diversion you are attempting above, but this:

quote:

The lies posted on the site are easily verified with a simple google search.


coupled with this:

quote:

If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


interesting too that you "know" they are lies without being able to address each one. the best conclusion from that is they are only "lies" because of the person who posted them, the source of the information, or that they disagree with your preconceived notions of "Indians good/amerika bad."

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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 4:32:58 AM   
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"...a partnership of more than 40 civic... ...labor and agricultural groups..."

You may need to get your carer to help you with these big words. I know they're difficult but gaining an understanding of them will be beneficial to your mental healing.

Now why would you omit the "business groups" from your quote?
How about you list those 40 groups of foxes you would have guard the hen house?



It was unnecessary to include those words you seem to have a rudimentary grasp of. It was only required to address those terms - "civic", "labor", "agricultural" that you are having difficulty with. To include more would have just confused you even more.



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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 5:22:40 AM   
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this strikes me too---that the only way you can know something is a "lie" is if you already know the truth. its clear in this case he didn't.

he's not the first comrade here ive seen make use of the word "lie" in an attempt to discredit something. ironically enough, as if truth telling was a character virtue that mattered to them.

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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 5:36:48 AM   
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A lists of groups from the "factcheckstandingrock site....
Iowa State Building and Construction Trades Council
Iowa Association of Business and Industry
SD Trucking Association
Pierre Economic Development Corp.
SD Intrastate Pipeline Company
SD Petroleum and Propane Marketers Association
South Dakota Grain and Feed Association
South Dakota Hotel and Lodging Association
South Dakota IBEW Union
South Dakota Corn Growers
Eastern South Dakota Building and Construction Council
Great River Economic Development Foundation
Midwest LECET (Laborers)
Illinois Association of Convenience Stores
Illinois Petroleum Marketer Association
Illinois State Grange
Petroleum Marketers and Convenience Stores of Iowa
Laborers District of North Dakota and Minnesota
ND Association of Oil and Gas Producing Counties
North Dakota Petroleum Council
Greater North Dakota Chamber of Commerce

http://mwalliancenow.org/about/who-we-are/

Yeah, no interested groups there, apart from maybe the native americans.
Which astonishes me.
Thanksgiving 2016, still at war with the natives over sacred grounds and broken treaties for greed.
And all the usual suspects think its wonderful.


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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:04:55 AM   
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hey troll, not the inane diversion you are attempting above, but this:

The lies posted on the site are easily verified with a simple google search.

coupled with this:

If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


interesting too that you "know" they are lies without being able to address each one.


One would think that a self proclaimed "college boi" would not need to be led by the hand like a child to be spoon fed facts.
Did it not cross your "college boi" mind to seek out who the producers of the "factless check blog are?
did it not cross your "college boi mind to question the central premis of the "factless check" that pipelines are the safest way to transport oil and what the criteria are for that "safest" contention?
Did it not cross your "college boi" mind to check who claims which andif they may have a bias?
Are you really a brain dead punkassmotherfucker who cannot and will not think?

https://thinkprogress.org/data-oil-trains-spill-more-often-but-pipelines-spill-bigger-9533009d4aba
How difficult would it be to google pipe line spills vs. tanker train spills and see which one spills the most?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.







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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:11:37 AM   
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https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/2016/11/26/thousands-of-veterans-descend-on-standing-rock-to-protect-protesters/

Thousands Of Veterans Descend On Standing Rock To Protect Protesters
Posted on November 26, 2016 by David Robinson
Veterans to protect DAPL from police brutality

Thousands of Ex Army Veterans have teamed up and heading towards Standing Rock to protect protesters of the Dakota Access pipeline from Police brutality.
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Thousands of Ex Army Veterans have teamed up and are heading towards Standing Rock to protect protesters of the Dakota Access pipeline from Police brutality. Now, Wood Jr. and Clark Jr. are organizing mass non-violent protection against police violence on protesters in North Dakota.
Anti-media reports: According to an article published by Business Insider that first appeared in Task and Purpose, a military-oriented news and culture site, two veterans are leading the charge in a show of dissent against the increasingly aggressive police.

In the last several months, tensions have escalated as Natives and their allies have blocked the pipeline’s construction, citing fears surrounding water will be endangered and sacred burial sites will be destroyed (not to mention the fact their lands were forcibly stolen by the U.S. government over a century ago).

“This country is repressing our people,” says Michael A. Wood Jr., a Marine Corps veteran who recently retired from the Baltimore police force to work toward reforming law enforcement. “If we’re going to be heroes, if we’re really going to be those veterans that this country praises, well, then we need to do the things that we actually said we’re going to do when we took the oath to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic,” he asserted about his plans to go to Standing Rock.

Woods Jr. is joined by Wes Clark Jr. Clark Jr. is the son of General Wesley Clark, the famous military leader who once warned that shortly after 9/11, the government had its eyes on Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. Clark would later attempt to distance himself from those statements but still managed to convince his son, a member of the Army at the time, to stay away from Iraq.

“I was like, ‘I’m going back in. I’m going to go in there and fuck people up,’” Clark Jr. recalls of his desire to fight for the military after 9/11. He later changed his mind after his father warned him, as Task and Purpose summarized, “that as a soldier he would be fighting a war that had nothing to do with defeating al Qaeda.”

Now, Wood Jr. and Clark Jr. are attempting to organize a mass, nonviolent protest against police action in North Dakota. Just this past weekend, a female protester was hit with a concussion grenade, causing severe damage to her arm and requiring surgery.

Other have been tear gassed, tased, beaten, and shot with rubber bullets. Anti-Media journalist Derrick Broze was tased by law enforcement immediately after he declared he was a member of the media. Another journalist was shot with a rubber bullet while standing away from a gathering of protesters as she interviewed an attendee.

Police have made over 470 arrests since August, and the Indigenous Environmental Network claims 167 people were injured just this past Sunday when police deployed water cannons in freezing weather.
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Clark, a contributor to the Young Turks, explained that aside from the flagrant violations protesters are subject to in North Dakota, Natives are especially deserving of veteran support:
“First Americans have served in the Unites States Military, defending the soil of our homelands, at a greater percentage than any other group of Americans. There are no other people more deserving of veteran support,” he said.

According to a Facebook event the two men created called “Veterans Stand for Standing Rock,” those who join the effort will arrive at the protest site on December 4, where they will stay until December 7.

The event description reads:

“Come to Standing Rock Indian Reservation and hold the line with Wes Clark jr, Michael Wood Jr, Tulsi Gabbard and hundreds of other veterans in support of the Sioux nation against the DAPL pipeline. Bring Body armor, gas masks, earplugs AND shooting mufflers (we may be facing a sound cannon) but no drugs, alcohol or weapons.”

Clark Jr. was clear he was not looking for violence and that the protest would be unarmed.
“We’re not going out there to get in a fight with anyone,” he said. “They can feel free to beat us up, but we’re 100% nonviolence.”
As Task and Purpose explained:

“With an eye toward the media, old military uniforms will be donned so that if the veterans are brutalized by the police, they are brutalized not as ordinary citizens, but as people who once served the government they are protesting against.”

The event page makes it clear that the group will not tolerate “hate, violence or divisive behavior of any kind.”

“We’re doing this to support our country,” they advise, “so let’s do it with honor, working together. We can stop this savage injustice being committed right here at home. If not us, who? If not now, when?”


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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:16:14 AM   
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"...a partnership of more than 40 civic... ...labor and agricultural groups..."

You may need to get your carer to help you with these big words. I know they're difficult but gaining an understanding of them will be beneficial to your mental healing.

Now why would you omit the "business groups" from your quote?
How about you list those 40 groups of foxes you would have guard the hen house?

[/quote]

It was unnecessary to include those words you seem to have a rudimentary grasp of. It was only required to address those terms - "civic", "labor", "agricultural" that you are having difficulty with. To include more would have just confused you even more.

It would seem quite obvious to the most casual observer that the above listed members of your "factless check" blog have a vested interest. How is it that you would not think to notice something so obvious?
The most obvious answer is that you are nothing more than a shill for the "factless check" blog.
When you decide to bring facts to the discussion we would all be interested in your input but only faux college bois and morons are interested in your fantasy.

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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:31:07 AM   
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this strikes me too---that the only way you can know something is a "lie" is if you already know the truth. its clear in this case he didn't.


It is quite obvious to the most casual observer that I do dumbass.


he's not the first comrade here ive seen make use of the word "lie" in an attempt to discredit something.

I have continuously pointed out your half truths seeking to support whole lies comrade. That seems to burn your ass. You have in your normal cowardly manner steadfastly refused to appologize for lying consistantly on this forum.Why is that comrade? Why do you lack the intestinal fortitude to admit when you have been proved wrong?
The obvious answer is that only lying punkassmotherfuckers like yourself engage in this sort of disingenuous behaviour.


ironically enough, as if truth telling was a character virtue that mattered to them.


Just recently the well known right winger mr. k pointed out your lies. It is pretty obvious that truth is the common ally of honest people and is totally alien to lying punkassmotherfuckers like yourself.

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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:36:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

A lists of groups from the "factcheckstandingrock site....
Iowa State Building and Construction Trades Council
Iowa Association of Business and Industry
SD Trucking Association
Pierre Economic Development Corp.
SD Intrastate Pipeline Company
SD Petroleum and Propane Marketers Association
South Dakota Grain and Feed Association
South Dakota Hotel and Lodging Association
South Dakota IBEW Union
South Dakota Corn Growers
Eastern South Dakota Building and Construction Council
Great River Economic Development Foundation
Midwest LECET (Laborers)
Illinois Association of Convenience Stores
Illinois Petroleum Marketer Association
Illinois State Grange
Petroleum Marketers and Convenience Stores of Iowa
Laborers District of North Dakota and Minnesota
ND Association of Oil and Gas Producing Counties
North Dakota Petroleum Council
Greater North Dakota Chamber of Commerce

http://mwalliancenow.org/about/who-we-are/

Yeah, no interested groups there, apart from maybe the native americans.
Which astonishes me.
Thanksgiving 2016, still at war with the natives over sacred grounds and broken treaties for greed.
And all the usual suspects think its wonderful.




Presumably the organisations you chose to omit from your cherry picked partial list have the same vested interest in there not being a problem that would negatively impact them.



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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:39:27 AM   
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you mean I didnt cut and paste the list from the websites OWN list they made?
Im not interested enough in what you think to post the whole list.
But that is THEIR list from THEIR website, NOT cherry picked by me in the slightest.
I posted the link, go check it out. Fuckwad
Greed is a negative impact.

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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:42:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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hey troll, not the inane diversion you are attempting above, but this:

The lies posted on the site are easily verified with a simple google search.

coupled with this:

If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


interesting too that you "know" they are lies without being able to address each one.


One would think that a self proclaimed "college boi" would not need to be led by the hand like a child to be spoon fed facts.
Did it not cross your "college boi" mind to seek out who the producers of the "factless check blog are?
did it not cross your "college boi mind to question the central premis of the "factless check" that pipelines are the safest way to transport oil and what the criteria are for that "safest" contention?
Did it not cross your "college boi" mind to check who claims which andif they may have a bias?
Are you really a brain dead punkassmotherfucker who cannot and will not think?

https://thinkprogress.org/data-oil-trains-spill-more-often-but-pipelines-spill-bigger-9533009d4aba
How difficult would it be to google pipe line spills vs. tanker train spills and see which one spills the most?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.









Yeah, because some hippy chick on some loony leftie propaganda (lack of) site, God only knows where is far more credible than the army engineers corps, the dozens of experts, the hundreds of consultations, the courts, and all of those groups who have a vested interest in getting it right.

Suuure.



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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:47:06 AM   
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quote:

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you mean I didnt cut and paste the list from the websites OWN list they made?
Im not interested enough in what you think to post the whole list.
But that is THEIR list from THEIR website, NOT cherry picked by me in the slightest.
I posted the link, go check it out. Fuckwad
Greed is a negative impact.


Integrity would dictate the production of the whole list or, if that is not available, a disclaimer that the poster has put up as much as they could find.

Any less is duplicitous and must be seen as an attempt to mislead..



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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 7:55:24 AM   
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Our members include:
*
*
*
And many more other businesses and stakeholders along the route.

Perhaps you'd be seen to be a little bit credible if you'd included the line immediately above and the line immediately below your cherry picked list.



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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 8:01:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1


quote:

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you mean I didnt cut and paste the list from the websites OWN list they made?
Im not interested enough in what you think to post the whole list.
But that is THEIR list from THEIR website, NOT cherry picked by me in the slightest.
I posted the link, go check it out. Fuckwad
Greed is a negative impact.


Integrity would dictate the production of the whole list or, if that is not available, a disclaimer that the poster has put up as much as they could find.

Any less is duplicitous and must be seen as an attempt to mislead..



NOT if you follow links given, so you can actually see, what they say about themselves, NOT my words. THEIRS
I have no need to fulfill your stupid impotent post questions for you, especially when you make accusations that are crap..
You are less than honest when you share bullshit links.

If you cant use google like Thompson suggested, then you have zero chances of your demands being followed.
I see you havent put anything up that even qualifies as somewhat correct.


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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 8:19:54 AM   
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Our members include:
*
*
*
And many more other businesses and stakeholders along the route.

Perhaps you'd be seen to be a little bit credible if you'd included the line immediately above and the line immediately below your cherry picked list.

And yet you still refuse to name them. Why is that?

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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 8:22:50 AM   
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Integrity would dictate the production of the whole list or, if that is not available, a disclaimer that the poster has put up as much as they could find.

Any less is duplicitous and must be seen as an attempt to mislead.

It was your cite that you posted as support of your position that you now refuse to validate.
Lack of integrity and duplicitous obfuscation seem to be your stock and trade. Why don't you put up or shut up.


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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 8:24:41 AM   
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what crosses my mind troll is your saying when you disagree with someone (so presumably "something" also) that you would back up your reasons for disagreement with evidence from reputable sources.

you claimed curmudgeonly's list of facts were lies. such a statement is ready made for your "back up your claim" with your "reputable sources."

in the final analysis and this goes for lucy too, it doesn't matter who is the originator of the facts, you are still challenged to refute them on their merits.

whining about where they came from is the intellectual equivalent to "oh yeah, so's your mother!"

when you've been caught posturing and cannot deliver, to dissemble/distract further makes you appear even academically and morally weaker than you already are.


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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 8:27:17 AM   
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hey troll, not the inane diversion you are attempting above, but this:

The lies posted on the site are easily verified with a simple google search.

coupled with this:

If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


interesting too that you "know" they are lies without being able to address each one.


One would think that a self proclaimed "college boi" would not need to be led by the hand like a child to be spoon fed facts.
Did it not cross your "college boi" mind to seek out who the producers of the "factless check blog are?
did it not cross your "college boi mind to question the central premis of the "factless check" that pipelines are the safest way to transport oil and what the criteria are for that "safest" contention?
Did it not cross your "college boi" mind to check who claims which andif they may have a bias?
Are you really a brain dead punkassmotherfucker who cannot and will not think?

https://thinkprogress.org/data-oil-trains-spill-more-often-but-pipelines-spill-bigger-9533009d4aba
How difficult would it be to google pipe line spills vs. tanker train spills and see which one spills the most?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




Yeah, because some hippy chick on some loony leftie propaganda (lack of) site, God only knows where is far more credible than the army engineers corps, the dozens of experts, the hundreds of consultations, the courts, and all of those groups who have a vested interest in getting it right.


so far you are batting 0 for 10. Until you can refute the "hippy chicks" numbers you will remain the lying punkassmotherfucker that you are.

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RE: The Sioux Battle Big Oil - 11/28/2016 8:34:15 AM   
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what crosses my mind troll is your saying when you disagree with someone (so presumably "something" also) that you would back up your reasons for disagreement with evidence from reputable sources.

you claimed curmudgeonly's list of facts were lies. such a statement is ready made for your "back up your claim" with your "reputable sources."

in the final analysis and this goes for lucy too, it doesn't matter who is the originator of the facts, you are still challenged to refute them on their merits.

whining about where they came from is the intellectual equivalent to "oh yeah, so's your mother!"

when you've been caught posturing and cannot deliver, to dissemble/distract further makes you appear even academically and morally weaker than you already are.


It has been clearly validated that only those with a documented financial interest in the pipeline are the only ones cited as being in favor of it.
It has been clearly documented that the lie that pipelines are the safest way to ship oil is not true.
Once again college boi you have been shown to have your head up your ass just as you were shown to be a lying sack of shit when you made the statement a bout ali.
Lying and bluster seem to be all that you know how to post.

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