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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 5:17:58 AM   
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Reagan made a felony to have weed before you filled your first diaper.



Actually, the first bans on Marijuana came four years before Reagan was born. California first regulated Cannabis in 1906 and Reagan was born in 1911.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States


Now now, don't be filling his little cloud world up with facts, his head might explode.

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 6:22:14 AM   
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another alternative to the raaaaaacist narrative.

"WaPo: The Working Class Broke For Trump Because They Thought Clinton Cared More About Bathrooms Than Jobs"

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We’ve discussed this many times about how the liberal elite’s agenda for the Democratic Party is not compatible with the working class, which used to be a reliable voting bloc. There were many issues that Clinton flubbed with these voters who torpedoed Democrats’ dreams of keeping the White House and retaking Congress. Besides outright neglect, many Trump supporters in these regions voted for the president-elect because they thought the Democratic Party cared more about bathroom bills than jobs bills, according to James Hohmann of The Washington Post. He also added that, like Bill Clinton, the Hillary campaign got warnings from other Democrats that their messaging could cost them the election:

Back in May, the longtime chairman of the Mahoning County Democratic Party sent a private memo to leaders in Hillary Clinton’s campaign warning that she was in grave danger of losing not just Ohio but also Pennsylvania and Michigan unless she quickly re-tooled her message on trade. His advice went unheeded.

“I don’t have to make the case that blue collar voters are, to put it mildly, less than enthusiastic about HRC’s positions on trade and the economy,” David Betras wrote in his 1,300 word missive, citing her struggles in recent primaries.

Donald Trump’s protectionist message was already resonating very strongly in this epicenter of the Rust Belt. Gov. John Kasich may have won Ohio’s Republican primary as a favorite son, but Trump whipped him in more than a dozen counties along the Ohio River. More than a quarter of the people who voted in the March Republican primary in Mahoning County were previously registered as Democrats. In fact, Betras had to kick 18 members off his own Democratic central committee for crossing over to back Trump.

More than two decades after its enactment, NAFTA remains a red flag for area voters who rightly or wrongly blame trade for the devastating job losses that took place at Packard Electric, GM, GE, numerous steel companies, as well as the firms that supplied those major employers,” Betras, a practicing attorney, tried to explain to the Clinton high command. “Thousands of workers in Ohio … continue to qualify for Trade Readjustment Act assistance because their jobs are being shipped overseas.”

The local chairman feels very strongly now that Clinton could have won Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan if she had just kept her eye on economic issues and not gotten distracted by the culture wars.

“Look, I’m as progressive as anybody, okay? But people in the heartland thought the Democratic Party cared more about where someone else went to the restroom than whether they had a good-paying job,” he complained. “‘Stronger together’ doesn’t get anyone a job.”

Betras also noted how Clinton isn’t credible on trade, given her support of the North American Free Trade Agreement and her remarks about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, where she described it as the gold standard. As Frank Luntz noted in the third presidential debate, Trump’s economic rhetoric scored high marks, even with Hillary-leaning voters, with trade being the then-Republican nominee’s strong suit. If he wanted to win this election, keep hitting the issue of trade. Moreover, Betras told Hohmann that a) not everyone wants to be in a white-collar job where he lives; and b) when these voters hear job retraining, their blood pressure goes through the roof. He said Democrats should talk about manufacturing, trying to bring some of those jobs back, and investments in infrastructure. Also, discuss ways in which they would protect their pensions. None of that happened. The publication also found numerous plant workers from the area who were Democrats, who voted for Trump because they wanted change, and they supported his position on trade. But they also noted, as have many observers, that these voters could easily turn on Trump and the Republicans if they don’t deliver.

That’s fair. The GOP is the dominant political force in the country. They control Washington. They control the rural areas. Only infighting and sheer incompetence can be the reasons for falling short in which any voter would have a good reason to vote Democratic in 2018. The point is that let’s hope Trump and the Republican Congress can right the ship.

Still, I’m not so sure about Clinton winning if she was laser focused on the economy. Remember she’s not really trusted on trade, she has deep ties to Wall Street, and she gets paid in one 20-minute speech what most Americans make in their entire lifetimes. Yes, Clinton did well among working class voters in her 2008 bid and in her home state of New York, but that was nearly a decade ago. A lot has changed—and the more news about the Clinton Foundation and her email server was discovered, the more her approval ratings, and her numbers on trust and honesty, fell. Maybe things could have changed if there was a ‘Pension Protector Clinton’ shift in messaging, but again, voters didn’t trust her, so why would they believe Ms. I Get $300,000 a Speech would care about them? It's sort of hard to portray yourself as a working class hero with that history. Republicans would also hammer her for being a person who would say anything to get elected, an echo from a 2008 Obama attack.

Second, let’s just be factual. Clinton ignored those people because her campaign thought they didn’t matter. Also, ignoring the cultural issues would have certainly frustrated her urban base, where bathroom bills, abortion, etc., are issues they must hear from a Democrat. There definitely would be questions why Clinton was shifting her focus to voters they cared little about, or who didn’t matter because who truly is bothered with the daily routines and struggles of country bumpkins. Well, they’re still Americans, they still need to work, and the metropolitan elites are still insufferable snobs. Sadly, I don’t think the Democrats will move to successfully reach out to these voters. Clinton was wiped out in these regions. Out of 490 counties in the Appalachia region of the country, Clinton only won 21 of them. Do we spend money on people who might or might not come back, or do we double-down on college-educated women and nonwhites who dominate the urban areas of the country? The latter is much more appealing for the Left; they already have the infrastructure and the rural political apparatuses for Democrats are pretty much extinct. At the same time, they also have to recognize that Clinton’s loss is entirely on her, and that maybe assuming that Clinton would be accepted as Obama was just ludicrous.

Lastly, Clinton sort of lost the cultural front in these areas without the liberal snobbery and the disregard that were hallmark characteristics of her campaign with this voting bloc:

Glenn Holmes is the Democratic mayor of nearby McDonald Village. He just got elected to an open state House seat with 60 percent of the vote, even as Trump carried the district. Holmes, who is African American, said it was more than just trade. Many Democrats in his district voted for Trump because they believed that Clinton wanted to confiscate their guns, supported late-term abortion and would not stop un-vetted Syrian refugees from pouring into the country. “I was able to speak more specifically to the fears and calm the fears” than Clinton could in the context of a national race, the 58-year-old explained in an interview. “Did Trump deal in misogyny and fear mongering? Sure he did. There was fear. He saw it and captured it. He won. It worked. Democrats didn’t address the fears. They dismissed them and thought people would see right through it. But that just sent the message that they didn’t care.”

Clinton was miserable in her Second Amendment answers. She later said she wouldn’t support the overturning of the D.C. v. Heller decision, but not before refusing to say that owning firearms is an individual right under the Constitution. She also made it pretty clear that she thought late-term abortion is permissible, despite the overwhelming majority of Americans opposing the brutal practice.

With Syrian refugees, the warning for Democrats to stop acting like snobs was again from one of their own, Kevin Drum at Mother Jones, who said the mockery of GOP stances on possible terror ties with these people paints the party as woefully out of touch and unserious on national security policy. Yet, even if that were brought up, and Clinton became more hardline on vetting refugees, her email server, which was unauthorized and unsecure, would undercut her since that arrangement possibly put our national security at risk.

It also doesn’t help optics wise when your candidate is under FBI investigation; though I think the class divide (working class/elite), the geographic divide (rural/urban), and Clinton’s inability to message both areas effectively (because she’s a terrible campaigner) proved fatal. Obama had targeted messaging for every group he encountered, which was made clear with his Florida operation. In the end, these voters want to work, they want change, and all they got from Clinton was deafening silence.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/23/washington-postthe-working-class-broke-for-trump-because-they-thought-clinton-cared-more-about-bathrooms-n2249226

on the "Hillary concedes" thread I posted 3 or 4 different post election critiques of why Hillary lost, they might be worth revisiting.

or just nevermind, raaaaaaaaaacism is easier.


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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 10:10:36 AM   
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They voted for a monster whose CV reads like a war crimes tribunal

I see why swearyman calls you a useless git

I foretold the coming of the beast....no-one else did....you will also refer to me as Lord from now on gobble44

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 11:11:55 AM   
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Lol... i wondered whether the mark of the beast might be all of these people getting the likeness of Trump's face tattooed on their body... lol

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 1:38:35 PM   
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It is this is 'victim mentality' that put Trump over the top outside the urban centers as made clear by his electoral college victory and popular vote 'defeat.'

What we have, is a subset of white people whose only standing in the community is the color of their skin and who demand economic and social entitlement and yes, on no other basis. This is pathetic in and of itself but also because other civic leaders do not denounce this pathetic charade for undue entitlement.

Many people are unhappy and feel unfulfilled for a variety of real and perceived reasons. And it seems to be human nature to blame others for situations they find themselves in and do not like it. Politicians have encouraged this victim mentality. They blame immigrants, they blame big government, (bureaucracy, regulations) they blame the media, they blame the liberals, they blame academia, they blame the "East Coast Elites." They don't blame America, they blame Americans who are 'not like us.'

The GOP has been promoting this victim story line for quite some time now. Because of Trump's celebrity status, he was able to exploit it in a way normal Republican politicians never could. This big scam of his, just happens to fit right in with the narrative of the Klan, the Nazis, and the other (white) supremacist groups. When they threw their enthusiastic support behind Trump, he quietly accepted it and that's how he won.


My Gawwwd man....the Democrats have been FOMENTING "hook up with me and I'll save you" for 50+ years.

They've been setting people up to fail....to be LOCKED in to government largess for 50+ years....

The VERY people who in the 60's DEMANDED inclusion (Jesse and others)....MORE rights for employment REGARDLESS of skill sets...and the VOTERS (not....whites....VOTERS) who said...."yeah....that sounds entirely right"....are NOW being accused by the very SAME (Jesse and others) who now say "these legislative actions are NOTHING more than an example of the WHITE man keeping us down".

Again....it wasn't white "men" that voted these things in....it was VOTERS.

It's time for ALL citizens to stand up....suck up, and say...."I'M responsible.....for ME!"


Not only mostly a non sequitur if only because both candidates were white but 77% of eligible white men voted for Trump a good many of which I say make up the subject of the OP.

And as for 'I'm responsible for Me!!' admonition...that should include all of the almost all white farmers, some double dipping off of govt. while not farming at all and those almost exclusively white corn farmers and ethanol producers fleecing the taxpayer out of Billion$ through the fallacy of helping the environment. Especially given that corn ethanol production actually hurts the environment.

Give the right and the capitalist a chance to turn a bullshit environmental cause into a profit center even better, through a govt, handout...they are both all over it.

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 1:51:35 PM   
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A) The word is "lose" in your context, not "loose".

B) She didn't win the election. The election winner is the electoral college winner. The election winner is not the popular vote winner.

But hey...whatever helps you sleep at night.


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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 2:12:07 PM   
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A) The word is "lose" in your context, not "loose".

B) She didn't win the election. The election winner is the electoral college winner. The election winner is not the popular vote winner.

But hey...whatever helps you sleep at night.




I think he sleeps at night fantasizing about some guy named Timmy sucking his cock... lol

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 4:07:30 PM   
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A) The word is "lose" in your context, not "loose".

B) She didn't win the election. The election winner is the electoral college winner. The election winner is not the popular vote winner.

But hey...whatever helps you sleep at night.




I think he sleeps at night fantasizing about some guy named Timmy sucking his cock... lol


That's stupid and uncalled for.

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 4:10:20 PM   
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B) She didn't win the election. The election winner is the electoral college winner. The election winner is not the popular vote winner.



you can share this with him too; he likes it:

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If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


hey troll---'nother opportunity there for you!


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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 4:23:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WCME

A) The word is "lose" in your context, not "loose".

B) She didn't win the election. The election winner is the electoral college winner. The election winner is not the popular vote winner.

But hey...whatever helps you sleep at night.




I think he sleeps at night fantasizing about some guy named Timmy sucking his cock... lol


That's stupid and uncalled for.


No... i actually think it might be true. He's obsessed with some guy named Timmy (he thinks i'm his sock) and he told me (thinking i was Timmy) how much he likes to suck cock. So i really do think he wants him or something.

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 5:15:16 PM   
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he has also called greta (whom he harasses constantly) "timmy" and keeps mentioning "Idaho" in reference to her.


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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 5:43:29 PM   
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A) The word is "lose" in your context, not "loose".


There are posters here without the intelligence to post anything of merit so as a public service I misspell words so thay can point it out and thus feel as if they have contributed to the discussion. Your contribution has been noted.

B) She didn't win the election.

Yes she did and by more than two million votes.

The election winner is the electoral college winner.

The e.c. does not vote they appoint...that is sixth grade civics.


The election winner is not the popular vote winner.


The popular vote is what is called an election. What the e.c. does is called an appointment.



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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 5:46:02 PM   
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he has also called greta (whom he harasses constantly) "timmy" and keeps mentioning "Idaho" in reference to her.

Not much gets past you does it ? But then you have told us that you are a college boi?

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 5:48:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WCME

B) She didn't win the election. The election winner is the electoral college winner. The election winner is not the popular vote winner.


you can share this with him too; he likes it:


]If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


hey troll---'nother opportunity there for you!

Perhaps if you got an adult to help you with the big words and the concepts described by them you would not have to borrow a pry bar to get your feet out of your mouth.

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 5:51:40 PM   
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I think he sleeps at night fantasizing about some guy named Timmy sucking his cock... lol

I am partial to girls timmy but if you really need to break in your knee pads I am sure they have glory holes in idaho.

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 5:57:05 PM   
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No... i actually think it might be true. He's obsessed with some guy named Timmy (he thinks i'm his sock) and he told me (thinking i was Timmy) how much he likes to suck cock. So i really do think he wants him or something.


That you think at all is a supposition on your part that has yet to be validated by your posts.
That you are the sock of the idiot from idaho on the other hand is something that is easily verifiable with both your lexicon and the content of your post.


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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 6:02:13 PM   
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I think he sleeps at night fantasizing about some guy named Timmy sucking his cock... lol


That's stupid and uncalled for.

Why would you expect cogent, intelligent discourse from the idiot from idaho?

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 6:07:38 PM   
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No... i actually think it might be true. He's obsessed with some guy named Timmy (he thinks i'm his sock) and he told me (thinking i was Timmy) how much he likes to suck cock. So i really do think he wants him or something.


That you think at all is a supposition on your part that has yet to be validated by your posts.
That you are the sock of the idiot from idaho on the other hand is something that is easily verifiable with both your lexicon and the content of your post.



Whatever... you obviously have some deep need to believe that. It doesn't matter to me what you believe.

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 6:51:40 PM   
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he has also called greta (whom he harasses constantly) "timmy" and keeps mentioning "Idaho" in reference to her.



Thanks for the info. I'll just put him on hide. : )

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RE: The racist victimology of the alt.whites - 11/27/2016 10:07:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: WCME

A) The word is "lose" in your context, not "loose".

B) She didn't win the election. The election winner is the electoral college winner. The election winner is not the popular vote winner.

But hey...whatever helps you sleep at night.




I think he sleeps at night fantasizing about some guy named Timmy sucking his cock... lol


That's stupid and uncalled for.


No... i actually think it might be true. He's obsessed with some guy named Timmy (he thinks i'm his sock) and he told me (thinking i was Timmy) how much he likes to suck cock. So i really do think he wants him or something.


Irrelevant, it is still a stupid and uncalled for remark that has no relevance to the discussion. You can do better girl, I've seen you actually argue and discuss, you don't have to fall into the ad hominem/insult pattern just because so many others around here do.

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