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Greta75 -> Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/25/2016 10:17:21 PM)
I don't know, everything is Russia's fault these days. Any hacking, all Russia's fault. Possible Rigged Elections, all Russia's fault. Spreading of Fake News, all Russia's fault. The problem with all these claims is, it's like, nobody shows conclusive proof. So it's like, let's just blame one country that has been villianised all these years! And then people claiming Russian own elections are rigged too. Honestly when I look at the internet, and Russian people commenting. Alot of them get really angry about Putin being made fun of. I feel like the election is not rigged there and their people genuinely like their President. There is also this cultural thing, where because of different cultures. From a different point of view from another country, this country may be oppressed. But from their people point of view, they are happy with their leader and his way of running things. Suits their culture. I feel like Russia is the most undeserved villianised country in the world. Saudi is worst, openly funds ISIS, and US is best friends with them!

MercTech -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/25/2016 10:34:24 PM)
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was the monster under the missile silo for decades. Modern Russia is still learning to cope with life without a totalitarian communist party. But the bottom line; Russia will do what is in the best interest for Russia. Working in their own best interest is what countries, at least their governments, do.

Real0ne -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/25/2016 11:29:59 PM)
So how long do you think it will take america to learn the same lesson if at all?

Edwird -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 12:59:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days No, the USA is the biggest scapegoat in the world for everything. STAMP! Next!

heavyblinker -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 1:14:01 AM)
Greta, you are more naive than I have ever been in my entire life and I am forced to conclude that you are actually a character from a 1980s Saturday morning cartoon for girls... something with puppies or ponies or anthropomorphic food or something. Yes, Russia has never done anything wrong and the American left is full of big meanies who hate friendship.

Greta75 -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 1:16:58 AM)
And you who is only exposed to one sided news, think you know more than me. Is absolutely ridiculous. Time to travel and see the world and meet more nationalities. At least Russia has more humane laws for women than Saudi Arabia, and their single mothers are taken care of so well. Saudi would have stoned a single mom to death. One of my friend is engage to a Russian woman, met her while on business there. But her story is the typical, husband abandoned her and her child. She was a housewife, so not working and no income. The government step up and provided her with a free accommodation and monthly income to help her along. I was just hearing all this help she got, and damn, THAT is not a terrible country and not a terrible government AT ALL. That's fucking nice! To their people!

Termyn8or -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 1:19:19 AM)
FR How so ? Did they really get Hillary's emails ? If so, how did they do it ? If they tampered with our election, how ? And whose fault is that ? If they can do it surely people here with a political bent can do it. PROVE IT, then we can get back to paper ballots and be done with all the controversy. Seriously, if their hackers can get into our shit but opur hackers can't, something is wrong. "I feel like the election is not rigged there and their people genuinely like their President. " They do. they are finally able to enjoy the profits of their labor instead of having the goniff Soviets take it all away. Putin is also limiting foreign involvement in Russian business. And yes that means Jews too, he knows all about them people because he has worked for them. the Russian People for the most part are enjoying an unprecedented good economy and la dolce vita right now. I do not know what will happen when Putin dies. When Chavez died Venezuela went to shit. If the Russians elect Medevev(sp) even if he has the same devotion to Russia it is not likely he has the knowledge and prowess of Putin. Bottom line, the Russians want Putin. They got better jobs, more freedoms, disposable cash, what's not to like ? T^T

epiphiny43 -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 1:24:20 AM)
Naive hardly covers the situation. Obviously there is a direct feed from Putin's approved TV feed into a vein in Greta's arm. Any adult who doesn't know that nothing now hits the Russian media or internet that displeases the Putin censors simply is sleepwalking through life. We had some babes in toyland Communists here in the 30's believing Stalin's BS just the same. The US only has incompetent infotainment business model journalism to distort our media. So. . . Russia gets deadly earnest, highly competent robber baron/KGB oligarchs (and their supporting 'mafia') in charge. We get a Reality TV clown oligarch instead. Guess who wins the soft war now going on?? It ain't we, babe.

Greta75 -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 1:26:39 AM)
Nope, I disagree, every interview I have seen Putin handling Western journalists. He side swipes nothing and answers all the question directly with legitimate explanation. It's the western media that would hostilely question him. I think he seem to very devoted to doing the best for his country. He is a good President.

heavyblinker -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 1:35:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 And you who is only exposed to one sided news, think you know more than me. Is absolutely ridiculous. Time to travel and see the world and meet more nationalities. At least Russia has more humane laws for women than Saudi Arabia, and their single mothers are taken care of so well. Saudi would have stoned a single mom to death. One of my friend is engage to a Russian woman, met her while on business there. But her story is the typical, husband abandoned her and her child. She was a housewife, so not working and no income. The government step up and provided her with a free accommodation and monthly income to help her along. I was just hearing all this help she got, and damn, THAT is not a terrible country and not a terrible government AT ALL. That's fucking nice! To their people! Hey I guess you've figured out a way to make Russia look good-- compare it to Saudi Arabia! And are you saying that your friend's predicament proves that Russia is incapable of any wrongdoing? Oh look, I think it's going to rain... better get my gingerbread bowl so I can collect all the gumdrops as they fall from the cotton candy clouds!

Greta75 -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 1:40:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Hey I guess you've figured out a way to make Russia look good-- compare it to Saudi Arabia! And are you saying that your friend's predicament proves that Russia is incapable of any wrongdoing? Oh look, I think it's going to rain... better get my gingerbread bowl so I can collect all the gumdrops as they fall from the cotton candy clouds! I'm saying that US is already sleeping with evil countries like Saudi with one of the WORST human rights records, licking their ass for their oil. So why the hate for Russia? What's the agenda? What's Russia not giving them that they want? They are also making Russians look like, they are the BEST in the world for technology, since they are so capable of hacking government sensitive information in the US and hacking the US Presidential election votes to modify the votes too. Like WOW! If Russians were really such a power team in IT, how are they not leading the world in technology!

epiphiny43 -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 1:48:46 AM)
Ask the families of the people on the airliner his proxy troops shot down over the Ukraine. Or the families of the people who used to work for an open society democracy in Russia. Nobody seems to know where a lot of them are. Occasionally the bodies are returned, a bit worse for wear. "Criminal kidnappers' is the usual shrugged shoulder explanation. Like the actual democratic candidate that someone put a pistol to his head on the bridge, in public, no less. Rich people outside the inner circles who have stuff their Mafia wants get prosecuted or killed. The hit men Putin orders about somehow never are arrested. Duh The guy who figured out how to organize the the ex-soviet oil resources into a mega corporation just spent 10 years in jail, Someone was irritated he was sponsoring local democracy movements trying to take power back to local communities from the bureaucracies and Kremlin oligarchs. His companies were taken over for pennies by friends of Putin. Nice guy. Pray one like him doesn't take over your island. Trump is small potatoes. He just gets mean to little people who get in the way of his scams. http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/in-scotland-trump-built-a-wall-then-he-sent-residents-the-bill/ar-AAkJumq?li=BBnb7Kz Compared to muscling the Crimea away from a sovereign country, not even on the radar. Putin's latest is, "Russia's borders don't end anywhere." Which translates into every other country's borders are wherever Putin decides. In Russia, no matter what a person's citizenship, Russian Sovereignty rules. In other countries, Russian citizens make Russian sovereignty rule. What a fun party guy! (Opps, double meaning?)

Termyn8or -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 2:00:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 And you who is only exposed to one sided news, think you know more than me. Is absolutely ridiculous. Time to travel and see the world and meet more nationalities. At least Russia has more humane laws for women than Saudi Arabia, and their single mothers are taken care of so well. Saudi would have stoned a single mom to death. One of my friend is engage to a Russian woman, met her while on business there. But her story is the typical, husband abandoned her and her child. The government step up and provided her with a free accommodation and monthly income to help her along. I was just hearing all this help she got, and damn, THAT is not a terrible country and not a terrible government AT ALL. That's fucking nice! To their people! Now there's something I didn't think about. Even if not "caught in the act" so to speak, if you are a pregnant Woman in those countries you are in deep shit. Know what I wonder. We got thompsonx here calling Singapore a third world shithole but he really doesn't comment on the Muslim countries like that. Even I am not so sure you are there right now, people do move. you claim to be Singaporean, OK. I have talked to people who have been there. It is an extremely clean place. Not just that you can go to jail for spitting on the sidewalk, but if you litter the people on the street might fuck with you, like "Do you do this at home ?". Tell you about the last time I used the word "nigger". White boy, like ten years my junior gave me a ride home from work. Had one of those big gulp Cokes in his car and threw it out on my neighbor's tree lawn. I said "What are you a fucking nigger, do you do this at home ?". Then I threw the container mostly full of ice in his car hard and of course it spilled all over. Sometimes you got no choice but to littler, it happens. but to choose to clean your car out in my neighborhood ? He didn't even get pissed off and we went and had a few beers after, but he knew at that point I was not going to put up with that kind of disrespect. the "collateral damage" the US imports to other countries is even worse. Obama sent a drone to kill the son of a terrorist who was already dead, just because he was the guy's son. He had done nothing, so far. What, we kill people for what they might do in the future now ? Freedom, we got more laws on the books about the importation of a head of cabbage that some countries have in toto. Democracy, look at the choices we got last time around. They hate our freedom and democracy, fuck, I hate our freedom and democracy. Wanna kknow how happy I am ? One day, within the next couple year I am going to take my gun and unload it and put a note on it "GIVE IOT TO THE KID" who is less than half my age but really wats it and has satisfied me that he has his anger under control. (you know how they are, he is 23 now ad I think it is OK) and then grab a super duty plastic bag used for medical waste which you cannot break or rip, and a zip tie. You can imagine the rest. I will not become a gun statistic. In a couple of years I will be damnear blind, unable to do any useful work. I will not yet be old enough for retirement. No money,no home. And I will not be a burden to society. If I cannot live the I die. I have preached that and I will die with it. And you all will have to deal with the world, which is going to get worse. In six years I can get partial retirement. I nine yrears I can can get full retirement. And it is not good, so many jobs I have had were under thre table and I didn't pay in. So I won't get so much. And I don't deserve so much, I admit it. But over on Usenet I hear of a guy who works but volunteers some time for whatever, a good dude I guess. Says he was giving a computer to a Somali refugee and the motherfucker bitched because it had a CRT monitor and not an LCD. I posted that I would have smashed the monitor on the ground as hard as possible and broke into smithereens and said "Flat enough for you now n____?". I understand that sometimes what is given is not what is needed but this is out of kilter. Same gguy also said people brought the PCs back with malware and all this shit and wanted them fixed for free. You don't get malware from discussion groups, or Craigslist, or sites offering jobs (usually). Most malware comes from sociai media sites or porn sites. Sometimes gaming sites but actually they want users so they try to keep it down. "But we are pious peaceful Muslims", yeah right. You think with your dick worse than western Men. At least we get permission to fuck a broad. You think it is OK just to rape her. You are animals and need to stay in your own country. Racist ? So be it. T^T

heavyblinker -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 2:03:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I'm saying that US is already sleeping with evil people like Saudi licking their ass for their oil. So why the hate for Russia? What's the agenda? What's Russia not giving them that they want? Well, there was the cold war that almost resulted in the extinction of the human race (Russia still has the world's largest nuclear arsenal) and the prolific spying, the competition when it comes to arms dealing/imperialism, annexing a piece of the Ukraine, selling weapons to al-Assad (likely including illegal chemical weapons), the fact that the two countries have obscenely large militaries, a lot of claims on both sides of rigged elections, etc. Saudi Arabia is nothing... they might fund ISIS and go easier on terrorists than homosexuals, but the human rights abuses are tolerated not just because of oil but because the US desperately needs a stable country to ally themselves with while they're raping and pillaging the rest of the Middle East. They also like to buy guns... and Russia is America's competition.

Termyn8or -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 2:09:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: epiphiny43 Naive hardly covers the situation. Obviously there is a direct feed from Putin's approved TV feed into a vein in Greta's arm. Any adult who doesn't know that nothing now hits the Russian media or internet that displeases the Putin censors simply is sleepwalking through life. We had some babes in toyland Communists here in the 30's believing Stalin's BS just the same. The US only has incompetent infotainment business model journalism to distort our media. So. . . Russia gets deadly earnest, highly competent robber baron/KGB oligarchs (and their supporting 'mafia') in charge. We get a Reality TV clown oligarch instead. Guess who wins the soft war now going on?? It ain't we, babe. And you think western media tells the truth ? Here's your sign. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjelRDKHUk T^T

WhoreMods -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 4:42:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was the monster under the missile silo for decades. Modern Russia is still learning to cope with life without a totalitarian communist party. But the bottom line; Russia will do what is in the best interest for Russia. Working in their own best interest is what countries, at least their governments, do. What, Putin isn't a totalitarian autocrat who used to work for the communist party, then?

Kirata -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 5:41:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Yes, Russia has never done anything wrong and the American left is full of big meanies who hate friendship. That's not what she said, but leave it to you... K.

heavyblinker -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 6:02:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata That's not what she said, but leave it to you... I'm paraphrasing. But yeah, I guess I left out the part where she carefully weighed the pros and cons of a relationship with Russia and decided that it was in the best interests of everyone.

Edwird -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 8:35:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I don't know, That's never stopped you before. But as always, here we go ....

WickedsDesire -> RE: Russia is the US biggest scapegoat these days (11/26/2016 8:45:52 AM)
http://www.pravdareport.com/news/ Stick than in your favourites and read it from time to time. The Russians are guilty of everything you led with. They are not responsible for all hacking do you ever remember what I say about sophism? Shall i fire up the volcano the eve is young and dark here at a little after 4pm Has the USA ever tried to rig elections - manipulate outcomes - do they spy on the world, governments, own people? probably worse than anyone. Putin is not a good leader. He merely tries to hold what is left of his ethnically diverse union from fragmenting for ever more. He is a strong leader. Strong leaders usually lead with fear and the fist of iron, and his cv i cant be bothered typing out. As i said in the past he is a strong leader. There population is relatively small at 143 million nowadays. They are an antiquated relic. There billionaires have been sanctioned, or their assets froze and they have a vested interest in the one called trump and to posture and to bully. Warheads - they probably have about ~15 000 - the usa ~8000. Other than that military wise they have very little. USA spending is about the same as all other nations on earth combined. Your nonsense of a thread escapes me.

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