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tamaka -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 2:11:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: tamaka
It hasn't been enacted yet. When it is, it will be illegal and you won't have access to porn without first going through their database and then if you decide to register, even the porn you watch will be censored.

Really??
I'd like to see how they can filter the internet.
Really I would.
Even the might and money of the Chinese haven't managed to do that yet.

I already watch stuff that is deemed illegal here.
There's been nothing to stop me. Nada, zilch, zero, nothing.
Just like the speed limit signs tell you it's illegal to be speeding.
Does it stop people? No, it doesn't.
It might be illegal on paper but it won't stop people doing it or watching it.

Meh!
Toothless paper tiger.



You can't watch what you can't access.




PeonForHer -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 2:12:38 PM)

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You can't watch what you can't access.


It'll be accessible.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 2:22:39 PM)

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It'll be accessible.

Maybe, maybe not. Though it will require quite an extensive force of porn police to insure every site from around the world has age verification that meets the UK standard.

So yeah, I suspect the whole thing will collapse into a hopeless muddle before too long. Which is a very English sort of result. :)




tamaka -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 2:24:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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It'll be accessible.

Maybe, maybe not. Though it will require quite an extensive force of porn police to insure every site from around the world has age verification that meets the UK standard.


It's called an Internet Service Provider, i believe. They filter for porn and then they block it. Or they make you register before allowing access.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 2:33:08 PM)

It's called a proxy, it gets around such filtering. Just ask the Chinese and Iranian dissidents.

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't have a very in depth knowledge of how the Internet works, right?




tamaka -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 2:40:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

It's called a proxy, it gets around such filtering. Just ask the Chinese and Iranian dissidents.

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't have a very in depth knowledge of how the Internet works, right?


No i don't. I know when i go to Dunkin Doughnuts and try to get on collarchat i can't get access to it because it's designated as a porn site.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 2:53:56 PM)

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No i don't.

Then why are you arguing so admantly with people who do have some understanding of the issue?

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I know when i go to Dunkin Doughnuts and try to get on collarchat i can't get access to it because it's designated as a porn site.

So use a proxy and get around that, or use Tor, or any number of other similar 100% free and widely available workarounds.

See, the point of DD blocking CS is not to prevent you from accessing it, but rather to cover their ass, so nobody can say they allowed some kid to access it. Their come back would be "Oh no, we blocked that site, the kid deliberately circumvented that, we can't be held accountable for that, we did our part, the fault is entirely with the kid and the people who design ways to get around our block".




PeonForHer -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 2:56:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh yes, there are so many, lol
IM watching morecombe and wise with glenda jackson doing cleopatra, yeah Im still a sucker for it.



Very, very memorable. Also the Angela Rippon one. She suddenly became the UK's first 'glamorous newsreader' after that show.




tamaka -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 3:07:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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No i don't.

Then why are you arguing so admantly with people who do have some understanding of the issue?

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I know when i go to Dunkin Doughnuts and try to get on collarchat i can't get access to it because it's designated as a porn site.

So use a proxy and get around that, or use Tor, or any number of other similar 100% free and widely available workarounds.

See, the point of DD blocking CS is not to prevent you from accessing it, but rather to cover their ass, so nobody can say they allowed some kid to access it. Their come back would be "Oh no, we blocked that site, the kid deliberately circumvented that, we can't be held accountable for that, we did our part, the fault is entirely with the kid and the people who design ways to get around our block".


I wasn't arguing, i was discussing. Whether there is a workaround or not does not take away from my original point that it seems like the people of the UK are fine with being controlled. They are being treated like children and the government are the parents that tells them what they are and are not allowed to watch. Also, all of their online activity will now be monitored.




PeonForHer -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 3:12:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

It's called a proxy, it gets around such filtering. Just ask the Chinese and Iranian dissidents.

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't have a very in depth knowledge of how the Internet works, right?


No i don't. I know when i go to Dunkin Doughnuts and try to get on collarchat i can't get access to it because it's designated as a porn site.



Honestly, Tamaka, I'm by no means an expert on the workings of the Internet ... but I know enough to know that these laws are a waste of time. It's like legislating against the weather. Governments - in most countries, anyway - just do not and cannot have that kind of control over it that they might want.

Mind you, re 'waste of time', recall what I said earlier: these laws are being pushed by a British Conservative government. This is a brilliant example of how politics works here. The Government knows a) that one of its large support-demographics is that of old people b) old Tory voters think that it's the decadent freedoms and sinfulness of things like porn that are ruining society and c) said old people know zilch about computers, the Internet, or indeed modern tech in general. So, they push for control over people watching porn.

Something is enacted - and presto, it looks as though the government has *done something*! Old Tory voters will be none the wiser because they know nothing about the Internet, so they'll be happy. Perverts like me will be happy; the Government will be happy - not just because of the continued electoral support of fogies, but because government members themselves can carry on watching filth on the net (everybody here knows that Tory governments are *always* full of perverts) ... *everybody* will be happy.

This is how politics works in the UK, Tamaka. We've honed hypocrisy into a fine art. [:)]




PeonForHer -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 3:17:00 PM)

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They are being treated like children and the government are the parents that tells them what they are and are not allowed to watch.


Oh yes - it's that all right. Government as daddy, wagging its finger at us, the naughty children. But, it has to be said, there's a large demographic that still believes that should the daddy/Government wag its finger, us naughty children will be suitably chagrined. That demographic can't begin to understand how wrong it is in that respect.




tamaka -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 3:26:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

It's called a proxy, it gets around such filtering. Just ask the Chinese and Iranian dissidents.

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't have a very in depth knowledge of how the Internet works, right?


No i don't. I know when i go to Dunkin Doughnuts and try to get on collarchat i can't get access to it because it's designated as a porn site.



Honestly, Tamaka, I'm by no means an expert on the workings of the Internet ... but I know enough to know that these laws are a waste of time. It's like legislating against the weather. Governments - in most countries, anyway - just do not and cannot have that kind of control over it that they might want.

Mind you, re 'waste of time', recall what I said earlier: these laws are being pushed by a British Conservative government. This is a brilliant example of how politics works here. The Government knows a) that one of its large support-demographics is that of old people b) old Tory voters think that it's the decadent freedoms and sinfulness of things like porn that are ruining society and c) said old people know zilch about computers, the Internet, or indeed modern tech in general. So, they push for control over people watching porn.

Something is enacted - and presto, it looks as though the government has *done something*! Old Tory voters will be none the wiser because they know nothing about the Internet, so they'll be happy. Perverts like me will be happy; the Government will be happy - not just because of the continued electoral support of fogies, but because government members themselves can carry on watching filth on the net (everybody here knows that Tory governments are *always* full of perverts) ... *everybody* will be happy.

This is how politics works in the UK, Tamaka. We've honed hypocrisy into a fine art. [:)]



Ok then... : ) Honestly i've enjoyed discussing a few things about the UK for a change from discussing how f*ckd up we are over here. I really need to look into Iceland. I hear they've got something good going on over there.




PeonForHer -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 3:27:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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It'll be accessible.

Maybe, maybe not. Though it will require quite an extensive force of porn police to insure every site from around the world has age verification that meets the UK standard.

So yeah, I suspect the whole thing will collapse into a hopeless muddle before too long. Which is a very English sort of result. :)


No government is going to want to fund such a police force and it's already been proven to be useless to expect the ISPs to do any real policing re piracy etc. Put it this way: even I, with my limited skills with the Net, am completely confident that I'll find ways PDQ to view my favourite educational and thought-provoking material.

God, all the palaver about pirated films and music that we went through a few years ago .... All it means, now, is that if you want to download a pirated film or music track, you have to type e.g. 'Pirate Bay Proxy' in the search box rather than just 'Pirate Bay'. (Or so I hear.) Maybe seven extra key-strokes. It's pathetic, really.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 3:37:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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It'll be accessible.

Maybe, maybe not. Though it will require quite an extensive force of porn police to insure every site from around the world has age verification that meets the UK standard.


It's called an Internet Service Provider, i believe. They filter for porn and then they block it. Or they make you register before allowing access.


As a simple example, Pirate Bay is banned AND blocked by my ISP here by court order.
I access Pirate Bay every day without any issue to get most of my torrents.
It's not a problem and dead easy without doing anything really special.

So yeah... they block it.
You go around the block. Simples! [:)]




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Islam (12/6/2016 3:39:46 PM)

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I wasn't arguing, i was discussing.

Fair enough
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Whether there is a workaround or not does not take away from my original point that it seems like the people of the UK are fine with being controlled.

Actually, your orignal point was some stupid thing about them being happy to accept Islam's cock, but..... onto your newly restated point.

Well they do have a very different Constitution and governmental structure/philosophy, the government exercising the powers of what is (or I guess technically was) an absolute monarchy. When the monarchs were deprived of any actual power, the power they used to have was not diminished, it was simply transferred to Parliament. So the culture is somewhat different.

Now, as to whether or not the people are "fine" with it, once again I suggest you do a little research into that first. here's a good place to start: https://www.backlash.org.uk/


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They are being treated like children and the government are the parents that tells them what they are and are not allowed to watch.

You mean like how it is illegal in the US to show people under 18 in porn? See, it is just a matter of degree.
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Also, all of their online activity will now be monitored.

Well not necessarily, it will be tracked and those records retained for a year, and those records can be accessed by a whole shit load of agencies without a warrant, but in general a person would still have to come under some sort of suspicion of something in order for those records to be looked at. So not quite "being monitored"

Now, that being said, this is a VERY disturbing development, but what is even more disturbing is that it is not unique. Governments all over the world are increasingly moving in this direction (as an example, just look at the Rule 41 bullshit in the US which will allow any judge to issue a warrant for local law enforcement to hack any (or even every) computer in the world).

It is indeed time we, the people of the world, started standing up to our governments and reigning them in, we need to put them back into their boxes. However (there is always a however), the major rationale for all this monitoring and the invasions of privacy is "national security" and the "threat of terrorism", so in fact your anti-Islam rhetoric (often not factual) is in fact reinforcing this trend. It feeds into the mind set that allows such gross examples of governmental overreach, so it really is important to try keep a level head and not allow oneself to fall prey to paranoia and misinformation.

So, my advice to you, and everybody really, is that when you read something that makes you angry or outraged, take a step back and examine why, and then look into whatever it is that sparked that reaction. It is always better to assess events dispassionately.




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