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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 11:25:40 AM   
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I think feminism, the men's rights movement

They ought to be working together to create a non-gender driven society.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 11:28:39 AM   
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Men don't have the same rights over the unborn child.

That is the truth. This is mostly due to the undeniable fact that it is the woman who must carry the child, which makes the question inherently unequal.
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Men get longer prison sentences than women.

That is the truth, this is due to outdated patriarchal attitudes towards women.
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Men are not supported like the women in DV cases.

That is the truth, this too is due to outdated patriarchal attitudes towards men.



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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 11:35:23 AM   
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He's not a man, he's a whiny babyman.


Unlike heavyblinker who is, in fact, a man, according to his profile. This is one reason why this thread is giving me a headache. Another is the view of the film-maker and subject of the OP:

""And what I am really in support of is gender equality across the board and a part of that discussion is talking about what men are dealing with and being willing to listen to what they have to say.

"I no longer call myself a feminist but I am still an advocate of women's rights and always will be and I am adding men to the discussion."

... Er, *why* does she no longer call herself a 'feminist'? I'm fine with the rest of what she says - thumbs up. Buy why that weird little bit? Oh well.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 12:04:21 PM   
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... Er, *why* does she no longer call herself a 'feminist'? I'm fine with the rest of what she says - thumbs up. Buy why that weird little bit? Oh well.

Because she wants frightened whiners like respectmen to like her. Obvs.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 3:51:27 PM   
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... Er, *why* does she no longer call herself a 'feminist'? I'm fine with the rest of what she says - thumbs up. Buy why that weird little bit? Oh well.

Because she wants frightened whiners like respectmen to like her. Obvs.


Yep, and after so many years of so much frenzied, frothing propagandising, if you say you're a 'feminist' these days you are *by definition* also saying that you want to take a pair of scissors to all men's testicles.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 4:52:22 PM   
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I don't see anyone being silenced.


That's because gyncentrists like you refuse to see anything bad feminists/women do.

Here, look harder you ignorant fuckwit.

Campus Speech Bullies - The real face of feminism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfzUG70nN6k

Ever heard of the term "what about teh menz"?

Look it up in google. Feminists love using that term whenever a male issue is mentioned. Why do they use that term? Because they fucking hate men.

Can you cite me any example where feminists actually listen to men when they complain about their issues?

Come on, cite me, show me an example....if it exists.

Feminists always belittle men when their issues are mentioned. Why is that? Why are they such hateful fucking bigots?

Why is it that when a man complains, it's whiny, he's a baby man. When a woman complains, it's all okay, she can complain all she wants?

Tell me how that is equality?

Where is the equality in that? I can't see any. Oh that's right, its because women are favoured and privileged over men, I'm forgetting.

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That is the truth. This is mostly due to the undeniable fact that it is the woman who must carry the child, which makes the question inherently unequal.


If women get to opt out of parenthood, so should men. There is no biology that is in the way of stopping that equal right, dumbass.

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That is the truth, this is due to outdated patriarchal attitudes towards women.


As to both your claims on this, do you have any proof? Do you have any citations?

Why is it that people can randomly blame patriarchy out of thin air for anything without any actual proof/evidence to back up that it's actually the fault of patriarchy?

People seem to just randomly blame patriarchy on anything that annoys them without actually thinking about if patriarchy is to blame for this or that.

Patriarchy blaming equal multi-purpose scapegoat.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 5:10:06 PM   
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That's because gyncentrists like you refuse to see anything bad feminists/women do.

Here, look harder you ignorant fuckwit.



You are a world class cretin, RM. If you'd once stopped barking at me and the world in general, and actually asked me, I'd have said - in fact with great force - 'yes, there are horrible women around - indeed, many of them'. But you have never, not once, asked me. You have *told* me what my view *just must be*.

Strewth. 'Gynocentrist'. Your world is a little nutty island populated entirely by straw men and women, RM.


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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 5:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Peon, feel free to cite me any example where feminists actually show empathy towards men.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 5:38:26 PM   
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Peon, feel free to cite me any example where feminists actually show empathy towards men.

We show empathy to men all the time. Whiny babymen, on the other hand, are undeserving.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 5:39:36 PM   
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Peon, feel free to cite me any example where feminists actually show empathy towards men.


I can only cite you many, many personal experiences, RM. Feminists who've understood that a patriarchial society does not recognise that men have feelings too - towards their children, towards not wanting to have lives filled full of aggression, towards not actually wanting to go off and getting slaughtered in wars. Feminists I've known have not found it difficult to understand that males have been restricted in their lives just as women have been restricted in theirs. Why do examples like this so completely pass you by? It's pretty simple morals, and no great shift in intellectual awareness. A woman thinks to herself, 'Hey, I can do more than just bring up my kids'. She then looks at her husband and thinks, 'He can do more than just earn money for his family, and have no connection with his kids or, worse, no feelings for people in the world other than whether he's 'winning' or 'losing' in some stupid, contrived competition against them.

The women I've known who've fought the most ferociously for male friends of mine to stay in touch with their kids - against the mothers' wishes - have been feminists. Likewise the women I knew, back a few decades and on the continent, who'd fight hardest against national service. Even if feminists *are* selfish - why would they have done otherwise? They didn't want to see their menfolk living in some cold, shitty world. They didn't want them to have no contact with their kids - or, indeed, their feelings in general. They most certainly didn't support the burgeoning rates of suicide amongst men - and, above all else, they didn't want to see their menfolk going off to get killed in some war.

I've certainly come across lazy-arsed, selfish and basically nasty women in my time. Many of them. But these generally have *not* been feminists. They've more likely to have been the right wing, anti-feminist sort, who've maintained that, for instance, that it's 'just natural' for men to want to fight, never to be interested in their kids, never wanted to do anything other than compete, compete. *Those* sorts of women, for me, don't understand men and don't, basically, see them as entirely human. They see their ideal man as a kind of machine - a super-tough, emotionless android.

You really have *no sodding idea* where I'm coming from in this, RM. 'Gynocentric'. It's pathetic.


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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 5:58:38 PM   
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Feminists who've understood that a patriarchial society


I stopped taking you seriously from that point. Patriarchy blaming is purely an irrational stance to begin with. Why? Where is the basis behind it? How do you know if things would be any different if most of the top positions in society were held by men? Where is the evidence?

That's how silly feminism is, peon. It's all based on conspiracy thinking, NOT FACT!

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 6:03:35 PM   
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Feminists who've understood that a patriarchial society


I stopped taking you seriously from that point. Patriarchy blaming is purely an irrational stance to begin with. Why? Where is the basis behind it? How do you know if things would be any different if most of the top positions in society were held by men? Where is the evidence?

That's how silly feminism is, peon. It's all based on conspiracy thinking, NOT FACT!



Well, I tried ... but you're a long way past debating with. As previously mentioned, RM: you are a cretin. You've made yourself that way. You *cannot* learn.


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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 6:19:00 PM   
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What human rights do females have that males dont have? apart from biological imperatives?


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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/2/2016 11:09:48 PM   
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Peon, feel free to cite me any example where feminists actually show empathy towards men.


My aunt's very nice to me. My mother too.

My female friends generally show me tolerance and try to understand what I feel to the extent that I would probably call it empathy.

Many of the fuckers who really demonstrate an empathy gap are men. Or to be less gendered and more accurate, if there is an empathy gap it is demonstrated differently in different people.

There is an empathy gap. We live in an age where many people are pulling up drawbridges, retreating into their bunkers and failing to show any care, respect or empathy with anyone different to them. We have given this political legitimacy by voting for Brexit, electing Trump and backing populist xenophobes all over the world. People justify it by saying that they are looking after their own, just like people boast that their family comes first (and by implication everyone else can go to hell).

There is an empathy gap, and to an extent it affects men more than women, but it's not because of feminism, it's far more deep seated than that. Some people blame it on patriarchy but that's just another convenient bag to fling your woes into.

If you want empathy, lower your barriers and stop fighting with everyone. On the other hand some people will see that as weak and take advantage of you.

Hey, people suck sometimes.

Welcome to the real world.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/3/2016 4:28:46 AM   
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'Gynocentrist'.

Greek for "self-centred cunt"?

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/3/2016 9:33:58 PM   
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If a male shows one little indication of misogyny, he gets ostracized in an instant.

Sadly, you have not been ostracized yet, mate.

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At any place, as for any website, any real life gathering, try raising the concern of issues males face in the presence of feminists and you're likely to be told to stop whining and/or face abuse.


They haven't succeeded yet with you, whining blabbering on tear boy, but we pray the day will come soon when the FemBitches are triumphant and shut down your pitiful victimized arse.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/3/2016 10:08:56 PM   
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I don't see anyone being silenced.


Denial is not just a river in Egypt, buddy.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/the-red-pill-mayfair-theatre-ottawa-screening-cancelled-1.3876947

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPbHOQtMj_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32K7khcuTU0

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/3/2016 10:11:26 PM   
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They haven't succeeded yet with you, whining blabbering on tear boy, but we pray the day will come soon when the FemBitches are triumphant and shut down your pitiful victimized arse.


It's given a free pass when feminists act the same of course. It's just not allowed when men happen to complain in support of their own gender.

Obviously, you don't want equality. You want women to be held in special consideration over men.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/3/2016 10:13:59 PM   
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As long as they only pick on MEN, you have nothing to fear.

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RE: women's rights have gone too far are now silencing men - 12/3/2016 10:19:57 PM   
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As long as they only pick on MEN, you have nothing to fear.


For starters, I don't fear feminists, I simply think they are a joke and are easily refuted. If I really feared feminists, I would be afraid to confront them and point and laugh at them.

That said, do you think it's only "fear" when a man acts this way? When a woman acts this way, is it "fear" too?

If so, how come when women feel fear, it's acceptable. When men feel fear, it's not?

Feminism is supposed to be about equality, right? So wouldn't you expect it to be an acceptable opinion from feminists (who are supposed to be about equality) that if one gender is entitled to feel fear, that means all genders are?

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