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Real0ne -> You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 3:57:00 AM)

You Break the Law Every Day Without Even Knowing It

Wired notes:

James Duane, a professor at Regent Law School and former defense attorney, notes in his excellent lecture on why it is never a good idea to talk to the police:

Estimates of the current size of the body of federal criminal law vary. It has been reported that the Congressional Research Service cannot even count the current number of federal crimes. These laws are scattered in over 50 titles of the United States Code, encompassing roughly 27,000 pages. Worse yet, the statutory code sections often incorporate, by reference, the provisions and sanctions of administrative regulations promulgated by various regulatory agencies under congressional authorization. Estimates of how many such regulations exist are even less well settled, but the ABA thinks there are ”nearly 10,000.”

If the federal government can’t even count how many laws there are, what chance does an individual have of being certain that they are not acting in violation of one of them?

As Supreme Court Justice Breyer elaborates:

The complexity of modern federal criminal law, codified in several thousand sections of the United States Code and the virtually infinite variety of factual circumstances that might trigger an investigation into a possible violation of the law, make it difficult for anyone to know, in advance, just when a particular set of statements might later appear (to a prosecutor) to be relevant to some such investigation.

For instance, did you know that it is a federal crime to be in possession of a lobster under a certain size? It doesn’t matter if you bought it at a grocery store, if someone else gave it to you, if it’s dead or alive, if you found it after it died of natural causes, or even if you killed it while acting in self defense. You can go to jail because of a lobster.

If the federal government had access to every email you’ve ever written and every phone call you’ve ever made, it’s almost certain that they could find something you’ve done which violates a provision in the 27,000 pages of federal statues or 10,000 administrative regulations. You probably do have something to hide, you just don’t know it yet.

Attorney Harvey Silverglate says that the average American commits 3 felonies every day … without even knowing it.

And that’s just federal laws.



I posted this because I am so fed up with people apologizing for gubmint everytime they encroach farther upon our rights.

Now if you pissed someone off like steven avery did for instance being in possession of that lobster they can do anything from putting you away, to making your life extremely miserable, and wiping out any savings you may have had in defense fees, not to mention because of that lobster its their green light to look up your asses with a microscope, and in the case of avery and so many others that are wrongfully accused and in prison today, you would not be saying you have nothing to hide, ignorance is bliss







MariaB -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 5:10:33 AM)

Anyone who wants to live in a democracy will find such laws intolerable. Yes, we all knew they were already snooping on us illegally but to make this law feels like I’ve just witnessed the new dawn of a KGB style society. This is about them owning us; its about tracking our political beliefs and collecting mass data information on the non-criminal populace.

Goes off and has a little weep




heavyblinker -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 7:04:41 AM)

So you're worried that the federal government is going to start imprisoning people for having oversized lobsters?




WhoreMods -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 7:32:47 AM)

Now where's that Family Guy clip with Peter singing a B-52s song?




Real0ne -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 10:11:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

So you're worried that the federal government is going to start imprisoning people for having oversized lobsters?



I have no idea what the feds will do, its one of many completely ridiculous laws on on the books and people in the US are liable to comply with that law and like so many other bs laws on the books can be arrested if they do not comply with the law, all because they went online talking about their illegal lobster because they 'thought' they had nothing to hide from da gubmint because they are ignorant of the law which is NOT an excuse and da gubmint they 'thought' they have nothing to hide can now use that completely bogus law as a pretext to stick their microscope all the way up their ass because they 'thought' they had nothing to hide, then they discover all the other laws they are breaking that they had no freakin clue even existed. See? Thats the problem. Look at the halback incident, she wound up with 2 in the hat.

Like the attorney said, the average person commits 3 felonies per day and has no clue they are breaking any laws.






That is why america has amendments to educate the foolish of the importance of those rights.




WhoreMods -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 10:25:10 AM)

That family guy clip...




Real0ne -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 3:10:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

Anyone who wants to live in a democracy will find such laws intolerable. Yes, we all knew they were already snooping on us illegally but to make this law feels like I’ve just witnessed the new dawn of a KGB style society. This is about them owning us; its about tracking our political beliefs and collecting mass data information on the non-criminal populace.

Goes off and has a little weep



bingo! which is completely unconstitutional but they have learned to get control in thin slices that add up to the whole rather than one big bite that would wake people. Boiling the frog method. Yes extremely sad.




Termyn8or -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 3:27:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

So you're worried that the federal government is going to start imprisoning people for having oversized lobsters?


And you're not ?

(and it is undersized)

T^T




MrRodgers -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 3:46:49 PM)

Well do what I do, make sure any lobster you may have, is cooked, in front of you and about to be savored. The lobster Nazis aren't going to get me.

Otherwise, as I've been telling you kinkroids...the 4TH Reich is coming to America. It just takes the incremental changes we are seeing now...and time.




Termyn8or -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/2/2016 3:52:20 PM)

I am not fond of the new way they make lobster in restaurants, broiling after boiling. And one place, I really thought it was a good place, gave me melted margarine instead of butter. I will not be going back there.

I don't like how they turn them inside out either, it used to be kinda fun to use that eentsy fork and chase down all those pieces of meat. It just ain't lobster anymore.

T^T




Marini -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/3/2016 10:27:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

Anyone who wants to live in a democracy will find such laws intolerable. Yes, we all knew they were already snooping on us illegally but to make this law feels like I’ve just witnessed the new dawn of a KGB style society. This is about them owning us; its about tracking our political beliefs and collecting mass data information on the non-criminal populace.

Goes off and has a little weep



I can relate, to wanting to weep.
It's been happening for years, and technology is just making it easier.
Freedom is just another word, for nothing left to lose.
We are slowly losing our freedom, it's not pretty.




Termyn8or -> RE: You May Think You Have Nothing to Hide (12/4/2016 1:48:59 AM)

In my garage :

Cop: what do I smell ?"

Me : Lumber.

He knows it is pot and he also knows at that time I can handle the court and they are not going to make any money on me.

I had a cool argument with a cop once about pot. If you take it away from me then it is in YOUR possession right ? That means I can bust you for it, right ? That is how the law reads. Right ?

I have plenty to hide, bondage stuff, diapers and so forth, but I don't really care. Find it fine. It is not illegal. You know when I was very young I thought it was illegal to have handcuffs.

It ain't. What's more they will not fuck with me anyway.

Thousand buck in my pocket and don't have the money for a ten buck fine. Put me in jail IO say "Thanks, I was looking to meet some more people". And, if you put me in jail, my back hurts, m knees hurt, my eyesight and hearing are off, I need help. And they cannot refuse.

I got them by the fucking balls. Really, I would have to kill someone or put them in the hospital for the LEOs to even consider putting me in jail. Plus one of my friends is a bail bondsman, fugitive recovery agent actually. He can do things cops can't do ! Seriously.

I would love to move somewhere with a better climate, but I will never have the connections I have here.

T^T




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