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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura
Many of the jobs lost are being lost to automation. How is he going to tariff/tax his way out of the fact that machines can do most jobs better for cheaper than unskilled labor, and never need a day off, or sick pay, or any other benefits...

What surprises me is that automation has led to more job losses than greedy shareholders and owners. But all of a sudden its big news again.
The job retraining system is completely screwed, but the ones affected are the ones blamed for needing to live in the modern world on slave wages.

It isn't really news, just that some people want to blame the job losses on foreign countries, and while it's true some of them have went there, automation is taking even more, and is the business model that businesses want to go with lately...

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh so political donations matter, but conflict of interests, dont?

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
Automation can create jobs if you are willing to learn
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/jobs/automation-can-create-jobs-if-you-are-willing-to-learn/articleshow/53234422.cms

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This election was decided by people who don't want to learn.

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This election was decided by people who don't want to learn.

You mean Hillary supporters? I totally agree.

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They could have moved ALL the jobs out. And Trump did not sign NAFTA. Also, we wants to at least revap NAFTA, ostensibly to punish companies for outsourcing.

If you are so fucking smart, what would you do in his place ?

It is called constructive criticism and everyone seems to have forgotten what that is.
T^T

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It's called free markets and Republicans seem to have forgotten what that is.

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Oh right, because Hillary supporters live in the Rust Belt and are upset because they don't have jobs... and we all know she promised to give them back their precious manly labor jobs and make America great again. That's probably why she's the president-elect right now.

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Oh right, because Hillary supporters live in the Rust Belt and are upset because they don't have jobs... and we all know she promised to give them back their precious manly labor jobs and make America great again. That's probably why she's the president-elect right now.

Really? You're going to insult people because they want a job?

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Wait 'til we get to the tariffs. Herbert Hoover tried that, even though 1000 economists signed a letter begging him not to and explaining the consequences. He didn't listen, and helped usher in the Great Depression.

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Yeah, "creating" jobs isn't hard if you just throw money at it--like when Reagan used Star Wars to turn the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation in the world, with 1/4 of its assets foreign owned, and quadrupling the national debt in just 8 years.

Wait 'til we get to the tariffs. Herbert Hoover tried that, even though 1000 economists signed a letter begging him not to and explaining the consequences. He didn't listen, and helped usher in the Great Depression.

Of course, Reagan also ushered in an economic collapse in the late 80s, and when W reasserted his policies, ushered in another collapse late in his 2nd term.

Yet people want to do more of what doesn't work, and warn against the dangers of doing what has worked well.

Go figure.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yeah, "creating" jobs isn't hard if you just throw money at it--like when Reagan used Star Wars to turn the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation in the world, with 1/4 of its assets foreign owned, and quadrupling the national debt in just 8 years.

Wait 'til we get to the tariffs. Herbert Hoover tried that, even though 1000 economists signed a letter begging him not to and explaining the consequences. He didn't listen, and helped usher in the Great Depression.

Of course, Reagan also ushered in an economic collapse in the late 80s, and when W reasserted his policies, ushered in another collapse late in his 2nd term.

Yet people want to do more of what doesn't work, and warn against the dangers of doing what has worked well.

Go figure.

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Wait 'til we get to the tariffs. Herbert Hoover tried that, even though 1000 economists signed a letter begging him not to and explaining the consequences. He didn't listen, and helped usher in the Great Depression.

I honestly don't think it will get that far. The tariffs were supposed to be threats, not actual policies.

Trump is actually really similar to Kim Jong Il-- aside from the whole isolationist thing, Kimmy J also cultivated a 'wild card' reputation to get badly-needed concessions, and it was important that people think he was actually capable of delivering on the threats, even if everyone involved knew that doing so would be disastrous. The only way to keep the fear alive was to convince everyone he was a madman-- whether or not he actually WAS a madman was less relevant than whether or not everyone thought he was. I have a feeling that Trump's incompetence is sincere, but I also think that the people pulling the strings are trying to figure out how to use it to their advantage.

But it seems pretty obvious that if he keeps pushing, sooner or later someone is going to call his bluff... and I really don't think that he can just keep bribing people to get what he wants... but of course if people are happier with 1000 'American' jobs that already exist than 5000 global economy jobs that would have existed under trade deals, they'll never know what they're missing.