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The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 1:20:56 AM   
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It was Geo. W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Collin Powell and Paul Bremer...period.

Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell made Abu Musab al-Zarqawi nothing but a pimp, thief and con man (5 years in prison which converted him) who had done nothing leading up to the US invasion of Iraq, into a terrorist icon by the time Powell had delivered his highly doctored and totally false speech before the United Nations. (Powell later claimed he mentioned Zarqawi just in passing, when he had spent 7 minutes on him, mentioning him 21 times)

Zarqawi had been rejected by Bin Laden as a street thug which he was and Cheney (unjustly if not illegally the most powerful US VP in history) wanted the CIA to tell the world that [he] was connected to and working with Saddam and a Bin Laden Al Quada Lt. when little was further from the truth.

Geo. Tenet Dir. of the CIA...folded like a wet suit.

When Bremer disbanded the Iraqi army of 250,000 men who were now unemployed and pissed...Zarqarwi saw his chance and did he ever take it.

CIA career analysts who's analysis was the direct opposite...were completely disregarded.

HERE

Presto...ISIS.

Easily the worst 8 years with Bush/Cheney, of any executive branch and in all ways, complete with easily the worst foreign policy decision in the history of the US.

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 2:50:42 AM   
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The US bolstered Islamic Extremism during the Soviet-Afghan war when they chose to spend over $20 billion training and supplying Afghan resistance groups. Many of these groups were led by militant Islamists. ISIS is a direct descendant of US Reagan-era policies.

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 3:16:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

It was Geo. W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Collin Powell and Paul Bremer...period.

Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell made Abu Musab al-Zarqawi nothing but a pimp, thief and con man (5 years in prison which converted him) who had done nothing leading up to the US invasion of Iraq, into a terrorist icon by the time Powell had delivered his highly doctored and totally false speech before the United Nations. (Powell later claimed he mentioned Zarqawi just in passing, when he had spent 7 minutes on him, mentioning him 21 times)

Zarqawi had been rejected by Bin Laden as a street thug which he was and Cheney (unjustly if not illegally the most powerful US VP in history) wanted the CIA to tell the world that [he] was connected to and working with Saddam and a Bin Laden Al Quada Lt. when little was further from the truth.

Geo. Tenet Dir. of the CIA...folded like a wet suit.

When Bremer disbanded the Iraqi army of 250,000 men who were now unemployed and pissed...Zarqarwi saw his chance and did he ever take it.

CIA career analysts who's analysis was the direct opposite...were completely disregarded.

HERE

Presto...ISIS.

Easily the worst 8 years with Bush/Cheney, of any executive branch and in all ways, complete with easily the worst foreign policy decision in the history of the US.


I'm so pissed that I can't get on youtube at the moment. This sounds like a bit of a follow on to a three hour documentary I recently watched called "Hypernormalisation" by Adam Curtis.


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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 10:55:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The US bolstered Islamic Extremism during the Soviet-Afghan war when they chose to spend over $20 billion training and supplying Afghan resistance groups. Many of these groups were led by militant Islamists. ISIS is a direct descendant of US Reagan-era policies.

Indirectly, I would agree but Bush was alerted to and had a great chance to, take out Zaqarwi before the Iraqi invasion and would nipped his efforts in the bud.

Then it was the US that didn't just destroy the country physically but also destroyed the Iraqi military and govt, that left not only a huge vacuum in power but also pissed off several hundred thousand men.

That gave Zaqarwi all and I mean ALL he wanted to divide Iraq and start the sectarian war...and he did just that. Plus, it was all of that that gave him the chance to declare his caliphate...the birth of ISIS.

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 11:56:05 AM   
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Can anyone explain why US trade to Iran was so dramatically different during the last several months of 2008... different than it had ever been before or after as far as i can tell.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5070.html

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 12:27:55 PM   
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Iranian financial institutions are barred from directly accessing the U.S. financial system, but they are permitted to do so indirectly through banks in other countries. In September 2006, the U.S. government imposed sanctions on Bank Saderat Iran, barring it from dealing with U.S. financial institutions, even indirectly. The move was announced by Stuart Levey, the undersecretary for treasury, who accused the major state-owned bank in Iran of transferring funds for certain groups, including Hezbollah. Levey said that since 2001 a Hezbollah-controlled organization had received 50 million U.S. dollars directly from Iran through Bank Saderat. He said the U.S. government will also persuade European banks and financial institutions not to deal with Iran.[12] As of November 2007, the following Iranian banks were prohibited from transferring money to or from United States banks:[13]

Bank Sepah
Bank Saderat Iran
Bank Melli Iran
Bank Kargoshaee (aka Kargosa’i Bank)
Arian Bank (aka Aryan Bank)
In other words, these banks were placed on the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) Specially Designated Nationals List (SDN List). The SDN List is a directory of entities and individuals who have been prohibited from accessing the U.S. financial system. Although difficult there are ways to carry out an OFAC SDN List removal.[14]

As of early 2008, the targeted banks, such as Bank Mellat, had been able to replace banking relationships with a few large sanction-compliant banks with relationships with a larger number of smaller non-compliant banks.[15] The total assets frozen in Britain under the EU (European Union) and UN sanctions against Iran are approximately 976,110,000 pounds ($1.64 billion).[16] In 2008, the US Treasury ordered Citigroup Inc. to freeze over $2 billion held for Iran in Citigroup accounts.[17][18]

For individuals and small businesses, these banking restrictions have created a large opportunity for the hawala market, which allows Iranians to transfer money to and from foreign countries using an underground unregulated exchange system.[19] In June 2010, in the case United States v. Banki, the use of the hawala method of currency transfer led to a criminal conviction against a U.S. citizen of Iranian origin. Banki was sentenced to two and a half years in federal prison, however, on the Federal Sentencing Guidelines, this type of offense could result in imprisonment of up to 20 years.

The United States imposed additional financial sanctions against Iran, effective 1 July 2013. An administration official explained that according to the new Executive Order “significant transactions in the rial will expose anyone to sanctions,” and predicted “it should cause banks and exchanges to dump their rial holdings.”[20] This took place as Iran's president-elect Hassan Rouhani was scheduled to take office from August 3, 2013.[21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran

im not saying its accurate, but its more info for anyone like me who didnt know:)

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 12:50:17 PM   
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Hmmm... but the table in my link is for goods traded so we sold Iran alot of something (equipment?) ...way off the charts compared to our 'Normal activity' with them.

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 1:00:29 PM   
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hey, you asked...if you want more info follow the money.

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 1:10:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Can anyone explain why US trade to Iran was so dramatically different during the last several months of 2008... different than it had ever been before or after as far as i can tell.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5070.html

Wheat mostly, and other ag. They were stah-ving!!!

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 1:15:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Can anyone explain why US trade to Iran was so dramatically different during the last several months of 2008... different than it had ever been before or after as far as i can tell.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5070.html

Wheat mostly, and other ag. They were stah-ving!!!



Hmph... let them eat cake.

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 9:47:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Can anyone explain why US trade to Iran was so dramatically different during the last several months of 2008... different than it had ever been before or after as far as i can tell.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5070.html

Wheat mostly, and other ag. They were stah-ving!!!



Hmph... let them eat cake.


You do know what happened to the last woman who said that, don't you?

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RE: The Real birth if ISIS - 12/4/2016 11:30:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Can anyone explain why US trade to Iran was so dramatically different during the last several months of 2008... different than it had ever been before or after as far as i can tell.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5070.html

Wheat mostly, and other ag. They were stah-ving!!!



Hmph... let them eat cake.


You do know what happened to the last woman who said that, don't you?

.....and not surprisingly...she very likely, really didn't really say it. It was propaganda and it may have only helped to get her snuffed years later.

< Message edited by MrRodgers -- 12/4/2016 11:34:06 PM >


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