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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/7/2016 8:34:42 PM   
tamaka


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but I would prefer a two sided discussion with another adult- not listening to a fucking baby have a meltdown over shit that isn't there.


Just like how a male assumes he wants to get drunk and fuck, it means he's a rapist. If you can't see the bigotry in that, you're a god damn moron. The only legitimate gender issue I see here is androphobia.







I don't believe I said anything about the man in this song being a rapist. I think coercive behavior and her asking "say what's in this drink?" Is pretty creepy- pretty much regardless of gender. If you're begging that hard for sex and inviting someone over, getting them drunk, on a night when there's bad weather- no matter who you are or what- you're being a jerk, and creepy and pushy.

I am a member of dozens of feminist forums. I have yet to see one person advocate for banning this song. I've seen them share the rewrite- but that is not the same as advocating for banning it.

Like I said- there's a lot bigger fish to fry. Much bigger in art and media alone- but even that's pretty low on the list.

I promise you- no one is coming for your Christmas carols.

Again- I just called the song creepy. I didn't even say rapey. I think Mommy Kissing Santa Clause is creepy too- and for that matter- Santa Baby while not at the same level as the other two- she's still being pretty insistent.

But again- bigger fish OP.



You want to censor art now? Geeze.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/7/2016 8:46:42 PM   
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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/7/2016 8:53:01 PM   
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Didn't say that either?

Well i'd be interested to know what you mean when you refer to art.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/7/2016 9:17:31 PM   
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Didn't say that either?

That's a go-to tactic for her, shiftyw. She knows she is doing it, she does it intentionally trying to be provocative.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/7/2016 9:19:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can be critical of something without wanting it censored.

I can have a conversation about a scene with a rape that has a point to the larger story vs just being there for entertainment.

I can discuss why I think trigger warnings are important.

I can talk about why it's bullshit that woody Allen keeps winning awards despite a shitload of evidence that he's a rapist.

We can talk about how "Last tango In Paris" has an actual rape in it because the director wanted her real reaction- so he didn't tell her about the scene- and how fucked up it is that hardly anyone believed her- and an interview surfaced where the director admitted it.

I can talk about how Chris Brown was raped by a woman when he was underage and continues to have erratic behavior and issues with women most likely as a result of that- but because he's a black man he is unlikely to seek help because of social pressure.

We can discuss how everyone wants to blame Amber Heard and Kesha for the abuse they've suffered, but also want to blame women who don't come forward.

We can discuss how it's shitty that a straight rich white boy can win Grammys for rapping about the struggle the gays go through but a black trans woman or gender queer black individual will never be on that stage even if they're the ones who've experienced all the problems the white guy raps about.

We can talk about why pizzagate has more credit than double digit rape accusations- a few of which made it to court- doesn't have half the traction.

We can question why straight cis men or women often get the acting roles for trans parts and how straight fucked that is.

We can talk about how the entire film industry is dominated by white men.

We can talk about how there isn't a single fat Disney princess and how much it sucks that they equate weight and attractiveness with good and evil and teach that shit to kids.

I don't aim to ban or censor any of these things- but a frank discussion of the problems at hand- why they are so popular- and why people can't see how these things an disenfranchising to some, harmful to someone's race or sex, or just unfortunate in their popularity or amount of support they have, or how they can effect yourself or those around you in a negative way- is something I don't have a problem with.


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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/7/2016 9:35:10 PM   
tamaka


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Status: offline 		Ok i see. Thanks for explaining what you meant. It's interesting to consider... if we are really simply energy... and differences give off different energy sensations to people... how is that affecting everyone. Instead of just trying to consider visual aspects... it would be interesting to study 'sensations' or 'resonating vibrations'... ie. How it feels to people (ie. The audience) i think.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/7/2016 9:37:17 PM   
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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 4:06:27 AM   
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Have you ever been on a feminist forum or a woman's studies class? I wonder what they talk about?


Why do you need to 'wonder'? I thought you were an expert.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 4:10:59 AM   
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I loves that tune. But now, spoilt. Drat!


You'd like it even better if you'd seen Sting's adaptation of the lyrics for it for 'Spitting Image', the puppet-based satirical show that used to run here. The song with said new lyrics played over the finishing credits of the last episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmDP-PYpPRY

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 4:13:34 AM   
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I can see why the website linked to in the OP is called "hot air".

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 4:24:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I really think that there are bigger things to worry about right now, for example the fact that a sociopath is about the become the most powerful person in the world.
This is one of those badly chosen battles that just makes everyone look bad.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 4:28:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		A couple of failed songwriters hunting for attention by issuing a version of an old song with the lyrics slightly rewritten, rather than a "battle", I'd have said.
(Of course, whineyman's source spins it so that the crap gimmick in question becomes a dreadful liberal conspiracy backed by the whole of the left...)

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 4:35:39 AM   
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A couple of failed songwriters hunting for attention by issuing a version of an old song with the lyrics slightly rewritten, rather than a "battle", I'd have said.
(Of course, whineyman's source spins it so that the crap gimmick in question out into a dreadful liberal conspiracy backed by the whole of the left...)


He seems to think all liberals and feminists are a hive mind, have secret meetings where we all hang out and all sign off on this shit

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 4:47:58 AM   
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A couple of failed songwriters hunting for attention by issuing a version of an old song with the lyrics slightly rewritten, rather than a "battle", I'd have said.
(Of course, whineyman's source spins it so that the crap gimmick in question out into a dreadful liberal conspiracy backed by the whole of the left...)


I remember Anita Sarkeesian or whatever her name is had a youtube video about the most sexist Christmas Carols a few year ago, and I think BICO was number one... so this annoying debate has been going on for quite some time. It's really odd because I had honestly never even heard the song until recently.

It's not like anyone is going to listen to this song and think 'I should probably try to rape someone this Christmas'. When you find people agreeing more with RM than the people attacking the song, you know you're doing something wrong.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 5:02:59 AM   
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It's really odd because I had honestly never even heard the song until recently.

A lucky escape. I'd count myself fortunate if I never heard Tom fucking Jones gurning and grunting his way it ever again. It's nearly as hard to avoid at this time of year as that bloody Slade one.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 5:32:27 AM   
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It's really odd because I had honestly never even heard the song until recently.

A lucky escape. I'd count myself fortunate if I never heard Tom fucking Jones gurning and grunting his way it ever again. It's nearly as hard to avoid at this time of year as that bloody Slade one.



I haven't heard the SlahDAY one *or*, for that matter, 'Do They Know It's Christmas' yet this year .... Bliss!

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 5:45:36 AM   
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A couple of failed songwriters hunting for attention by issuing a version of an old song with the lyrics slightly rewritten, rather than a "battle", I'd have said.
(Of course, whineyman's source spins it so that the crap gimmick in question out into a dreadful liberal conspiracy backed by the whole of the left...)


He seems to think all liberals and feminists are a hive mind, have secret meetings where we all hang out and all sign off on this shit


True of feminists, anyway. Either that, or he has some image of feminists being some sort of army, who all follow the 'generals' he cites from this or that website. This is one reason so many people look at his threads in some bemusement. Would anybody ever start a thread highlighting a (purportedly) mad thing that some self-professed 'conservative' person had said or done and then gone on to say 'See? Conservatives are all terrible people'? Hmmm.

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 5:58:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone posted the lyrics...just that i have been quiet on this one as me not know the song

I thought god(s) were a he anyway, well so they say. Cant just be who wonders who this mysterious they are

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 6:03:38 AM   
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It's really odd because I had honestly never even heard the song until recently.

A lucky escape. I'd count myself fortunate if I never heard Tom fucking Jones gurning and grunting his way it ever again. It's nearly as hard to avoid at this time of year as that bloody Slade one.



I haven't heard the SlahDAY one *or*, for that matter, 'Do They Know It's Christmas' yet this year .... Bliss!

I've heard the Slade, but not Geldof's novelty record so far, but there is over a fortnight to go yet.
Mind you, up here they seem to favour that bloody Rollers record instead...

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RE: Activists push to ban ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside�... - 12/8/2016 7:00:50 AM   
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Actually I prefer Winter Wonderland where it goes:

He'll say are you married?
We'll say no man
But you can do the job
When you're in town.

Walking in a winter wonderland.

Gotto truly be a horny slut(s). You know, the proverbial oxymoron.

It was Parson Brown, they were telling him he could marry them.

...pretend to be married as the parson was pretend.

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