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Demagoguery - 12/15/2016 9:51:33 PM   
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Well I disagree about any demagogue needing a god-like mastery or telepathy at all. Emotions are the beginning and many will tell you...the prejudices will follow.


Sorry, Mr Rodgers, we seem to have run up against an algabraic fault line in the English language. I was not accusing a demagogue of needing omniscience of any kind. My argument was entirely against the concept of a demagogue. It seems to me that in order to assert with confidence the definition you produced:

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Demagogue: a person, especially an orator or political leader, (or one who seeks political power) who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions, and prejudices of the people.


...one would need to know for certain that emotions, passions and/or prejudices are in play, above some threshold. How much emotion, passion and prejudice was present when people settled for "Yes we can!" compared to "Make America Great Again!"?

There is no Ipsos data for:

On a scale of 1 to 10, with one being dispassionately rational and 10 being utterly emotional, passions a-flarin' and prejudicial, how well reasoned was your vote for Donald Trump?

We can't know, and claiming to is what demands an Olympian ability to read emotions and passions, or a full-on Betazoid capacity to read the prejudice between someone else's ears.

That's why I find the word demagogue especially boring these days.
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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 7:17:46 AM   
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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 8:47:03 AM   
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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 8:53:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Emotive, rather than emotional, I'd have said myself. Hysterical blather aimed at the butthurt who feel disempowered by social change.
And if that isn't demagoguery where you come from, I'd be interested to hear what is.

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 8:59:40 AM   
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I don't know, and neither do you, if those are more emotional than rational demands. As for the violence, I think we should consult Mitchell Mormon Jr.

Uh-huh.

Gosh, they sure look emotional.


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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 9:20:04 AM   
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I don't know, and neither do you, if those are more emotional than rational demands. As for the violence, I think we should consult Mitchell Mormon Jr.

Seems Orange-cheeks enjoyed his role as a demagogue. Can't understand why you feel the need to apologize for him by nit-picking the definition. You're fired!

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 9:34:31 AM   
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I don't know, and neither do you, if those are more emotional than rational demands. As for the violence, I think we should consult Mitchell Mormon Jr.


Not really demands by the candidate. "Lock her up" was something the crowds chanted, which is just populism. "Build the wall" is also populism, a campaign promise just like promises every politician makes. As for the violence, Hillary's people sent paid provocateurs to Trump rallys specifically to start violence for propaganda purposes so she could demagogue, and say that Trump is a bad man..

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/caught-tape-clinton-funded-democrat-operatives-inciting-anarchy-trump-rallies

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 9:54:56 AM   
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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 10:07:42 AM   
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Not really demands by the candidate. "Lock her up" was something the crowds chanted, which is just populism.

He said it too. And while it is populism, it is also demagoguery. The two often go together.
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"Build the wall" is also populism, a campaign promise just like promises every politician makes.

Nope, sorry, that is not populism.

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 10:12:43 AM   
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No, sorry, you are wrong.


You'll forgive if I'm not prepared to take your word for it.

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 10:35:34 AM   
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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 10:50:26 AM   
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RE: Demagoguery - 12/16/2016 2:46:15 PM   
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No, sorry, you are wrong.


You'll forgive if I'm not prepared to take your word for it.

No sorry, there is no excuse for not taking my word for things.

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/17/2016 8:41:24 AM   
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Emotive, rather than emotional, I'd have said myself. Hysterical blather aimed at the butthurt who feel disempowered by social change.
And if that isn't demagoguery where you come from, I'd be interested to hear what is.


I don't have an issue with trump being called a demagogue, I just think it's boring.

The term is all too subjective, which is what I was getting at with trying to quantify emotion, passion or prejudice.

Is it a coincidence that the people who call him a demagogue are also the people who didn't support him?

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/17/2016 8:45:49 AM   
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There are folks who would call Obama a demagogue of another kind. The fact that these same folks generally prefer to keep quiet in public about it is I think a testament to intolerance, and not theirs.

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/17/2016 12:24:27 PM   
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The term is all too subjective, which is what I was getting at with trying to quantify emotion, passion or prejudice.

Actually no: in this case it seems to be accurate, and saying that the Trumptooners don't use the D word doesn't make it purely subjective.

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/17/2016 2:21:49 PM   
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There are folks who would call Obama a demagogue of another kind.

And they would be correct. There is an element of demagoguery in any politician, the deciding factor is the degree of it.

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/17/2016 2:36:36 PM   
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Is it a coincidence that the people who call him a demagogue are also the people who didn't support him?


It's been unkindly argued that Trump supporters are in general unlikely to know what the word means, anyway.

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/17/2016 3:09:19 PM   
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There are folks who would call Obama a demagogue of another kind.

Are these folks fluent in English?

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RE: Demagoguery - 12/17/2016 4:09:35 PM   
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dem·a·gogue
[ˈdeməˌɡäɡ]

NOUN
a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
synonyms: rabble-rouser · agitator · political agitator ·
soapbox orator · firebrand · fomenter · provocateur
(in ancient Greece and Rome) a leader or orator who espoused the cause of the common people.
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