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WhoreMods -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/22/2016 1:33:59 PM)


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Now I am going to climb back into my hole for another 10 or 11 years,

It'll be rough, but with skilled grief counseling, we'll struggle to cope.

Maybe he should take some of his mates with him so they won't be stinking the forum up for the next four years...



BamaD -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/22/2016 6:16:17 PM)


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An Idaho activism group is questioning the state’s decision to enter into a plea agreement that will allow a white football player to avoid jail time in the alleged sexual assault of a black teen with disabilities.

Stomach churning, Lucy, and yes, another example of white male privilege which pervades our culture.

Athlete privilege is more like it.
Remember Jameis Winston and Cam Newton.



respectmen -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/22/2016 6:40:43 PM)

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Stomach churning, Lucy, and yes, another example of white male privilege which pervades our culture.


Women don't get leniency in some criminal cases? People from minority races don't get leniency in some criminal cases? Only white men get leniency? If not, it can't be a said privilege, jackass.



vincentML -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/22/2016 7:09:47 PM)


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Stomach churning, Lucy, and yes, another example of white male privilege which pervades our culture.


Women don't get leniency in some criminal cases? People from minority races don't get leniency in some criminal cases? Only white men get leniency? If not, it can't be a said privilege, jackass.


“Deputy Attorney General Hemmer’s actions and statements dehumanizes the young man who was heinously penetrated and fuels and sanctions our culture of sexism, racism, able-ism, domination, aggression, and violence,” it said.

“The young man who was brutally penetrated was viewed as less than our dominant culture ‘ideal’ of masculinity. This was a sex crime … The actions by the football players and Dietrich High School were racist,” it added.

Leniency? You call that leniency? I call it a horror and a gross miscarriage of justice. How can you stoop so low to defend this on the basis that some women also get leniency? Where are your values of human decency? Your man-child mind is twisted, m'boy.



respectmen -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/22/2016 8:26:25 PM)

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How can you stoop so low to defend this on the basis that some women also get leniency?


I'm not defending them at all and I'm not using it as an excuse at all. You're dishonestly just making that assumption to make me look bad.

You totally dodged my point. My point is, it can't be privilege if others from other genders or races in some cases receive leniency from the justice system too.




Nnanji -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/22/2016 10:17:35 PM)


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Then we shall have to agree to disagree, as I stand by what I say and contend that what I presented is sexism, even within the boundaries of the definitions supplied by you. That someone doesn't clearly see it is, to me, inexplicable.


that someone doesn't see how its a redefining of the words in order to suit some purpose, especially as I explained it using the words in the definition, is inexplicable to me.

You have selected a definition that is convenient for your defensive posture and try to claim it is the one and only true definition.

Here is more comprehensive definition. I do not make this shit up.

Today, some scholars of racism prefer to use the concept in the plural racisms to emphasize its many different forms that do not easily fall under a single definition and that different forms have characterized different historical periods and geographical areas.[18] Garner (2009: p. 11) summarizes different existing definitions of racism and identifies three common elements contained in those definitions of racism. First, a historical, hierarchical power relationship between groups; second, a set of ideas (an ideology) about racial differences; and, third, discriminatory actions (practices).

WIKI

Your dictionary definition is far too limiting and not reflective of real world issues.

Yes some lefty scholars. Doesn't make it true. It's a fad philosophy based on hate.



Kirata -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/22/2016 11:41:59 PM)


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“Deputy Attorney General Hemmer’s actions and statements dehumanizes the young man who was heinously penetrated and fuels and sanctions our culture of sexism, racism, able-ism, domination, aggression, and violence,” it said.

“The young man who was brutally penetrated was viewed as less than our dominant culture ‘ideal’ of masculinity. This was a sex crime … The actions by the football players and Dietrich High School were racist,” it added.

The event was a disgusting display of cruel and twisted human behavior, but that's where the facts stop. The rest is rhetorical blather. Attaching it to the facts does not confer upon it the status of fact. And when people see the rabbit, they tend to laugh. Maybe you'd do better if you had a pretty assistant.

K.




bounty44 -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 5:47:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Then we shall have to agree to disagree, as I stand by what I say and contend that what I presented is sexism, even within the boundaries of the definitions supplied by you. That someone doesn't clearly see it is, to me, inexplicable.


that someone doesn't see how its a redefining of the words in order to suit some purpose, especially as I explained it using the words in the definition, is inexplicable to me.

You have selected a definition that is convenient for your defensive posture and try to claim it is the one and only true definition.

Here is more comprehensive definition. I do not make this shit up.

Today, some scholars of racism prefer to use the concept in the plural racisms to emphasize its many different forms that do not easily fall under a single definition and that different forms have characterized different historical periods and geographical areas.[18] Garner (2009: p. 11) summarizes different existing definitions of racism and identifies three common elements contained in those definitions of racism. First, a historical, hierarchical power relationship between groups; second, a set of ideas (an ideology) about racial differences; and, third, discriminatory actions (practices).

WIKI

Your dictionary definition is far too limiting and not reflective of real world issues.

Yes some lefty scholars. Doesn't make it true. It's a fad philosophy based on hate.


to tack on to nnanji----um no Vincent, ive selected the definitions as historically understood.

and you've made my very point by your post---that the terms have been redefined, and in this case, to suit YOUR offensive posture.



vincentML -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 6:47:34 AM)

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to tack on to nnanji----um no Vincent, ive selected the definitions as historically understood.

and you've made my very point by your post---that the terms have been redefined, and in this case, to suit YOUR offensive posture.

Redefined? Oh, Child! The three point essence of the definition is from a work published in 2009.

Your definition lacking the power component would be a hard sell to the black students who were battered during the civil rights movement of the 1960s. They would laugh into your honky face.

History? You wouldn't know the history of racism in America if is sneaked up and bit you in the ass.

pfft [:-]



vincentML -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 6:57:58 AM)

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Yes some lefty scholars. Doesn't make it true. It's a fad philosophy based on hate.

Because he is a scholar you presume he is a lefty? Is the RW defunct of scholars then? [:D]



WhoreMods -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 6:59:30 AM)

That would explain an awful lot about some of the nonsensical shite the rightards spout in here, wouldn't it?



vincentML -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 7:00:31 AM)

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You totally dodged my point. My point is, it can't be privilege if others from other genders or races in some cases receive leniency from the justice system too.


Some receive leniency out of compassion but this kid . . . how can compassion be given to him?



vincentML -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 7:09:53 AM)


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“Deputy Attorney General Hemmer’s actions and statements dehumanizes the young man who was heinously penetrated and fuels and sanctions our culture of sexism, racism, able-ism, domination, aggression, and violence,” it said.

“The young man who was brutally penetrated was viewed as less than our dominant culture ‘ideal’ of masculinity. This was a sex crime … The actions by the football players and Dietrich High School were racist,” it added.

The event was a disgusting display of cruel and twisted human behavior, but that's where the facts stop. The rest is rhetorical blather. Attaching it to the facts does not confer upon it the status of fact. And when people see the rabbit, they tend to laugh. Maybe you'd do better if you had a pretty assistant.

K.



My commentary is blather but yours is wisdom? I think not.



bounty44 -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 7:47:15 AM)

too much to post but some very excellent and pertinent reading here:

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/free-speech-on-public-college-campuses



vincentML -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 12:00:26 PM)


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too much to post but some very excellent and pertinent reading here:

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/free-speech-on-public-college-campuses

On the one hand the ACLU and the Court have been particularly and rightfully concerned about the negative effects of college speech codes on the First Amendment right to free speech. They, the ACLU, say the more speech the better, otherwise the problem is simply driven under ground.

On the other hand, there is this from the ACLU website which declares their concern that speech of a certain nature can be harassment at which point it ceases to be speech and becomes conduct appropriately punishable.

The ACLU believes that hate speech stops being just speech and becomes conduct when it targets a particular individual, and when it forms a pattern of behavior that interferes with a student's ability to exercise his or her right to participate fully in the life of the university.

Are we then to dicker about the full meaning of the "right to participate fully in the life of the university?" Are we to find and rely upon a dictionary meaning? [8|] Or are we to rely on the formulations developed by the University community. The latter seems most reasonable to me.

Then, the ACLU prescribes a limp program of action to get down to the "underlying" sexism and racism.

create forums and workshops to raise awareness and promote dialogue on issues of race, sex and sexual orientation;

LINK

That idea is dead in the water if this Religion & Politics Forum is any example.

Clearly, there is justifiable concern for political speech on campus. But I fail to see where racists or sexist slander is a threat to academic or political speech. If the University wants to hold a forum to debate the validity or detriment of white male privilege or if it wishes to hold a forum on female liberation, those would be in my opinion appropriate.

However, how are the universities to treat the appearance of swastikas on the walls of lecture halls? They are symbolic political speech. Should they be allowed? Or should the "artist" be expelled? Is their appearance harassing to Jewish students, and do these symbols interfere with the right of Jewish students to participate fully in the life of the University?

Your thoughts . . .???



Musicmystery -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/23/2016 6:09:33 PM)

College campus isn't like walking down the street. There's an expectation and responsibility to create an atmosphere conducive to learning, not one where people feel threatened.

It's a hard line to walk sometimes, being both open and guarded. But it's not the same as a public square.



Nnanji -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/24/2016 11:56:58 AM)

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The entire philosophy is evil and not worth arguing. In the history of man, VML says he likes history, this sort of idealology has always been false and eventually discarded.

Could you give some examples of incidents in the history of man when the ideology of oppressed people has been false? I think not. Just a lot of words with no substance.

Well the first thing that comes to mind is you'll have to show me an oppressed people. In understanding your false philosophy, however, the first two I'd pick out are feminists and multiculturalist. While they like to whine about bein oppressed, the ideology is false.



vincentML -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/24/2016 4:23:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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The entire philosophy is evil and not worth arguing. In the history of man, VML says he likes history, this sort of idealology has always been false and eventually discarded.

Could you give some examples of incidents in the history of man when the ideology of oppressed people has been false? I think not. Just a lot of words with no substance.

Well the first thing that comes to mind is you'll have to show me an oppressed people. In understanding your false philosophy, however, the first two I'd pick out are feminists and multiculturalist. While they like to whine about bein oppressed, the ideology is false.

Feminists are not an oppressed group. They are individual men and women who hold to the reality that women have been, and continue to be treated as inferior people by laws and customs in America.

Multiculturalists are not an oppressed group. They are individuals that adhere to a philosophy of human brotherhood/sisterhood, an idea sanctioned by most Christian denominations.

So, in reply to your failure to recognize oppression, i will give you some help. Let me call your attention to the Mayan of Guatemala and the Inca of Peru. I will be interested to learn what it is about their philosophies that you consider false.

I'll wait . . . . . [sm=accordion.gif]




Kirata -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/24/2016 6:54:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

“Deputy Attorney General Hemmer’s actions and statements dehumanizes the young man who was heinously penetrated and fuels and sanctions our culture of sexism, racism, able-ism, domination, aggression, and violence,” it said.

“The young man who was brutally penetrated was viewed as less than our dominant culture ‘ideal’ of masculinity. This was a sex crime … The actions by the football players and Dietrich High School were racist,” it added.

The event was a disgusting display of cruel and twisted human behavior, but that's where the facts stop. The rest is rhetorical blather. Attaching it to the facts does not confer upon it the status of fact. And when people see the rabbit, they tend to laugh. Maybe you'd do better if you had a pretty assistant.

My commentary is blather but yours is wisdom? I think not.

You commentary? Get a grip, Vincent. You didn't write that. My observation was addressing a quote that you posted, not your comments. Nor did I make any claim to "wisdom". On the contrary, the observation I offered should be painfully obvious. You just don't think, period.

K.



Nnanji -> RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist & racists texts. (12/25/2016 8:51:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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to tack on to nnanji----um no Vincent, ive selected the definitions as historically understood.

and you've made my very point by your post---that the terms have been redefined, and in this case, to suit YOUR offensive posture.

Redefined? Oh, Child! The three point essence of the definition is from a work published in 2009.

Your definition lacking the power component would be a hard sell to the black students who were battered during the civil rights movement of the 1960s. They would laugh into your honky face.

History? You wouldn't know the history of racism in America if is sneaked up and bit you in the ass.

pfft [:-]


What you mean is "know the pseudo-made up revisionist" history of racism in America. Ya, it's hard to keep up with all of the re-revisions unless you're a welfare pimp that needs to maintain awareness of the current terminology for filling out government forms.



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