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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 8:14:29 PM   
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makes ya wanna start using the word illiberal.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 8:28:07 PM   
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Then we shall have to agree to disagree, as I stand by what I say and contend that what I presented is sexism, even within the boundaries of the definitions supplied by you. That someone doesn't clearly see it is, to me, inexplicable.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 8:29:34 PM   
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makes ya wanna start using the word illiberal.

Whatever gets you through the day, hon.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 8:54:34 PM   
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Why are lefties/feminists/liberals, so selective on who is entitled to complain about how they are treated?

I have no problem with women and minority groups complaining, as long as I'm just as entitled to disagree and I'm just as entitled to complain about if I don't like the way I'm treated.

It's not equality when one or some groups are entitled but not others.


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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 9:35:56 PM   
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Ya know, its been some 10 or 11 years since the last time I was on these forums. The level of ignorance, hasn't really changed all that much.

To the @OP of this post..... you are prejudice, racist, ignorant and rather sexist.

The fact you couldn't refrain in your opening comments from talking about "white male victimization" and about "innocent white men" in a mocking way, shows CLEAR prejudice and racist behavior.

Need some help understanding that? Well you see, you are mocking white males who feel they are being victimized by the feminist movement. By mocking them, its like saying "yeah right, every time a feminist speaks about a white male its true and no victimization happens" Don't see that as racist yet? Allow me to keep clarifying.

What if I say "yeah right... every time a cops kill a black person, that black person must have been committing a crime. There has never been one time a black person has been shot by police that was not deserving". Or to put this more simply "black victimization by police.... yeah right ~eye rolls~" See the racism now?

The fact you single out white MALES as being privileged is within and of itself sexism at its finest. You can't single out and group an entire gender and think its not sexist can you?

But lets get more to the point of racism..... because its so obvious that its painful you don't see it for yourself.

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to other races.

The belief of "white privilege" is racism at its finest. How so? Well claiming white privilege exists is like saying "if I were born white I would be better off" which is like saying "if I were white I would be more privileged" which is like saying "whites are superior and if I was born white I would be superior" which is still yet like saying "I am fucking racist because I believe white are born superior to other races".

Now I am going to climb back into my hole for another 10 or 11 years, and let you hash this out in your own brain.

You will likely argue with others why all my comments are so very wrong... or you could just be a man, own up to what the facts are, and say "you know what, this guy is right. I am racist and prejudice against white people because I do in fact believe they are superior - hence my working to change that by pointing it out everywhere I go and how unfair it is".

Either way, we will never speak again, nor will we ever meet. Have a nice life.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 10:16:01 PM   
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You make no sense at all.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 11:03:40 PM   
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When you are 18, you are legally an adult and you can sign a contract.
When I was 18, I accepted a scholarship knowing full well that if I violated the terms of said contract(scholarship) it would be rescinded.
What is the fucking problem?

You accept a contract.
You follow the rules and get the goodies.
or
You don't follow the rules and you get booted.

Sounds like a bunch of whiny assed little entitled bitches. (of all colors, nationalities, sexual orientations and genders)

When you accept a scholarship (or even admission) to an institute of higher learning whether it be podunk community college or the height of the Ive League, you sign a piece of paper.
That paper has expectations that you are to follow.

Don't follow em, yerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrOUT. Tough shit. You're an adult. Take it like a fucking adult.


there is some truth to what youre saying, and some stupidity too.

as to the latter--first amendment rights are not abridged by signing a contract, especially given the lack of understanding on the issues by the signees.

speech codes are unconstitutional and when someone's right to free speech is violated, you don't tell them "tough shit." rather, you look at the government and tell them to back off. that is, unless youre a leftie who wants bigger more intrusive government.




You are utterly ignorant concerning the first amendment (and the rest of the constitution)

The US Constitution ONLY applies to dealings between the government and the individual.
A college may or may not be government supported but it is NOT the government.

I hear "My first amendment RIGHTS blah blah blah" at times right after someone has been disciplined or fired from the workplace.

Guess what. the workplace has rules that have nothing to do with the government. tough shit.
Read and abide by the agreement or don't bitch because you were too lazy to do so and too entitled to feel it applies to you.

People must learn that actions have consequences. Let's end unearned entitlements.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 11:09:48 PM   
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Relying upon dictionary definitions is the height of absurdity...

Ignoring them is the height of incomprehensibility.

K.



Giving unbridled authority to anonymous dictionary scribes is the height of stupidity.

What happens if the person you aim this at defines "stupidity" as "Having immense wisdom" see intelligence.

See how stupid that statement is?

We must depend upon the dictionary to define words and agree upon those definitions or meaningful communication is impossible.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/21/2016 11:42:44 PM   
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it is that sense of superiority we are all raised with.

We are all raised with?

Well thanks for sharing your uniquely peculiar world, but you are not in a position to speak for anyone but yourself.

You mean you escaped the aura of entitlement and superiority that white boys experience? You? Tiz to larf!!!

Actually, I am in a position to make a generalization on this topic. By its very nature it is not a topic to be parsed except at best some remote singular experiences. Otherwise, it is safe to apply this to white males in general.

You are only in a position to speak for yourself. The rest is projection. Have a nice day.

No, it is not projection. I am presenting thoughts . . . Speak to the issue and not to my perceived deficiencies

It's your projections that are creating the issue.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 12:01:32 AM   
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Another privileged kid...gets away with no jail for a coat hanger sexual assault on a disabled black kid.


White Football Player Accused Of Coat Hanger Assault On Black Teen With Disabilities Will Avoid Prison
The shocking decision prompted a statement of outrage from one sexual assault coalition.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/football-player-hanger-assault-avoid-prison_us_585ac1d0e4b0eb586484dd02

An Idaho activism group is questioning the state’s decision to enter into a plea agreement that will allow a white football player to avoid jail time in the alleged sexual assault of a black teen with disabilities.

The Idaho Coalition Against Sexual and Domestic Violence, in a statement posted online, is urging Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden to take immediate action against state Deputy Attorney General Casey Hemmer.

“Deputy Attorney General Hemmer’s actions and statements dehumanizes the young man who was heinously penetrated and fuels and sanctions our culture of sexism, racism, able-ism, domination, aggression, and violence,” it said.

“The young man who was brutally penetrated was viewed as less than our dominant culture ‘ideal’ of masculinity. This was a sex crime … The actions by the football players and Dietrich High School were racist,” it added.

Idaho Coalition Against Sexual & Domestic Violence
on Saturday
The Idaho Coalition Against Sexual & Domestic Violence demands Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden make a public statement and take immediate action against Idaho Deputy Attorney General Casey Hemmer’s outrageous and unacceptable behavior and statements.
In the criminal case against John R.K. Howard of Dietrich, Idaho, one of three white high school football players who was accused of kicking a coat hanger into the rectum of a black high school football player with a dis...
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High school football player pleads guilty in assault case
A high school football player has pleaded guilty to felony injury to a child after prosecutors said he took part in a brutal locker room assault on a black football player in a small Idaho town.

IDAHOSTATESMAN.COM


Idaho’s Twin Falls Times-News reported John R.K. Howard, 19, entered an Alford plea Friday in a Twin Falls courtroom to a reduced charge of injury to a child. In an Alford plea, the defendant does not admit guilt but acknowledges prosecutors have enough evidence for a conviction.

A former Dietrich High School football player, Howard was accused of sexually assaulting a teenage victim, who was not identified, with a coat hanger while others participated or watched. The teen, according to court documents obtained by The Washington Post, has “mental disorders including learning disabilities.”

Howard will serve two to three years of probation as part of the agreement. He will not have to register as a sex offender and can have his conviction dismissed upon successful completion of the terms of his probation. A judge is expected to accept the agreement when he sentences Howard on Feb. 24.

During Friday’s court proceeding, Hemmer reportedly called Howard’s behavior “egregious” and acknowledged it caused the victim “a lot of suffering,” but said it did not amount to a sex crime.

We don’t believe it’s appropriate for Mr. Howard to suffer the consequences of a sex offender,” Hemmer said in court.

According to court documents, the alleged assault took place inside a high school locker room on Oct. 23, 2015. A teen, under the pretense of giving the victim a hug, restrained him while another teen “physically forced a coat hanger into the plaintiff’s rectum,” the documents say.

Howard kicked the coat hanger several times while it was inside the boy’s rectum, the documents allege.

“I screamed,” the victim testified during an April preliminary hearing, according to the Times-News‎. “I was pretty upset. I felt really bad. A little bit betrayed and confused at the same time. It was terrible — a pain I’ve never felt.”

The assault caused injuries that required medical treatment, authorities said.

After a months-long investigation, the state attorney general’s office initially charged Howard and two underage teammates on the football team in March, with felony forcible penetration by use of a foreign object. The charge carried a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Because Howard’s co-defendants are charged in juvenile court, the disposition of their cases is not publicly available.

The victim’s family has filed a $10 million lawsuit against the school and 11 employees, including administrators and coaches who are accused of failing to stop the abuse.

The lawsuit alleges the victim was subjected to frequent racist abuse by Howard and other teammates — all of them white. The victim was “taunted and called racist names by other members of the team, which names included ‘Kool-Aid.’ ‘chicken eater,’ ‘watermelon,’ and ‘[n****r],’” the lawsuit alleges. It also claims Howard posted a confederate flag on the victim’s computer and made him recite a racist song titled “Moonman Notorious KKK,” which references lynching.

Howard, according to the lawsuit, was the leader of the abuse.

“Mr. Howard is a large and aggressive male who had been sent to live with his relatives in Idaho due to his inability to keep out of trouble in Texas,” the complaint says.

Coaches and administrators “ignored or were deliberately indifferent to the behavior of Mr. Howard, which included aggression, taunting and bullying of the plaintiff and other students in the district,” the lawsuit alleges. “With deliberate indifference, the defendants did nothing to curb the vicious acts of Mr. Howard who brought with him from Texas a culture of racial hatred towards the plaintiff.”

The lawsuit is still pending.

Hemmer in court Friday denied racism was a motive in the case.

“I will say that there are things that we found going around that school and that locker room involving a lot of the parties here that had racial undertones,” Hemmer told the judge. “But it’s not our belief that this was a racially motivated crime. This was more of a vulnerable-victim-motivated crime.”

Howard’s attorney, Brad Calbo, also told the judge he wanted it made “crystal clear” in the court record that “this victim was not at any time pinned down, raped, or pinned down and subjected to any sort of forcible penetration,” The Idaho Statesman reported.

The Idaho Coalition Against Sexual and Domestic Violence is asking for: “Nothing short of a complete retraction by the Attorney General of Hemmer’s outrageous actions and statements and immediate action against Hemmer.”

“This was more than a “vulnerable-victim” motivated crime ― it was hate and unimaginable sexual violence against a young black high school student with a disability,” it said. “This was able-ism.”

The state attorney general’s office said it is not allowed to comment on the case until after sentencing, per a gag order from the judge.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 4:29:34 AM   
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Then we shall have to agree to disagree, as I stand by what I say and contend that what I presented is sexism, even within the boundaries of the definitions supplied by you. That someone doesn't clearly see it is, to me, inexplicable.


that someone doesn't see how its a redefining of the words in order to suit some purpose, especially as I explained it using the words in the definition, is inexplicable to me.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 4:31:33 AM   
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makes ya wanna start using the word illiberal.

Whatever gets you through the day, hon.


yes because calling a spade a spade is nothing but a coping mechanism right?

the more I think about it, the more I like it. "liberals" are anything but.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 5:21:26 AM   
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Princeton, Washington (St. Louis) Amherst, Columbia, and Harvard men's sports teams have been suspended recently for denigrating racist and sexist comments made by team members in cell phone communications while some posters on this Forum whine and complain repeatedly about "white male victimization."

Amherst story here

Harvard story

Why are feminists always picking on innocent white men?

Where did it say all of the team members were white, looks more like a athletics problem.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 7:14:29 AM   
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Need some help understanding that? Well you see, you are mocking white males who feel they are being victimized by the feminist movement.

Exactly correct. I am mocking those limp-ass whiners. Now, if you would only get up to speed on the history of this topic in this Forum we would have a basis for a discussion.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 7:34:43 AM   
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Relying upon dictionary definitions is the height of absurdity...

Ignoring them is the height of incomprehensibility.

K.



Giving unbridled authority to anonymous dictionary scribes is the height of stupidity.

What happens if the person you aim this at defines "stupidity" as "Having immense wisdom" see intelligence.

See how stupid that statement is?

We must depend upon the dictionary to define words and agree upon those definitions or meaningful communication is impossible.

Your example is extreme, Hill, and it misses the nuances that the Oxford English Dictionary publishers call the "sense-history" of words in their Introduction to the Second Edition. Words have different meanings at different times in different cultures. The word "cool" is an illustrative example. So, I maintain it is folly to take one or two dictionaries as authoritative without heed to the social texture of the participants in a particular discourse.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 7:37:07 AM   
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An Idaho activism group is questioning the state’s decision to enter into a plea agreement that will allow a white football player to avoid jail time in the alleged sexual assault of a black teen with disabilities.

Stomach churning, Lucy, and yes, another example of white male privilege which pervades our culture.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 7:47:52 AM   
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Then we shall have to agree to disagree, as I stand by what I say and contend that what I presented is sexism, even within the boundaries of the definitions supplied by you. That someone doesn't clearly see it is, to me, inexplicable.


that someone doesn't see how its a redefining of the words in order to suit some purpose, especially as I explained it using the words in the definition, is inexplicable to me.

You have selected a definition that is convenient for your defensive posture and try to claim it is the one and only true definition.

Here is more comprehensive definition. I do not make this shit up.

Today, some scholars of racism prefer to use the concept in the plural racisms to emphasize its many different forms that do not easily fall under a single definition and that different forms have characterized different historical periods and geographical areas.[18] Garner (2009: p. 11) summarizes different existing definitions of racism and identifies three common elements contained in those definitions of racism. First, a historical, hierarchical power relationship between groups; second, a set of ideas (an ideology) about racial differences; and, third, discriminatory actions (practices).

WIKI

Your dictionary definition is far too limiting and not reflective of real world issues.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 7:47:57 AM   
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Now I am going to climb back into my hole for another 10 or 11 years,

It'll be rough, but with skilled grief counseling, we'll struggle to cope.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 10:50:45 AM   
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Kinda like a cicada.

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RE: Privileged white college boys suspended for sexist ... - 12/22/2016 1:19:15 PM   
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