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D. Don't any of you realize that if you treat every little thing he, or anyone connected to him, like it is the end of civilization, when , an if, he does something actually wrong, people will be sick of listening to it and blow it off like so many people did with Hillary.

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And...the Clinton's isn't?
That swamp makes the rules. Someone, even the Clinton's, would be stupid not to follow the rules and benefit. Have you ever read a summary of the largest charities? Give to the Salvation Army if you want charitable charity. But, just pointing out one side to make a political point isn't really worth a discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
And...the Clinton's isn't?
That swamp makes the rules. Someone, even the Clinton's, would be stupid not to follow the rules and benefit. Have you ever read a summary of the largest charities? Give to the Salvation Army if you want charitable charity. But, just pointing out one side to make a political point isn't really worth a discussion.

The Clinton Foundation actually helps people.

The Trump Foundation mostly just bribes people, tries to make Trump look good or gives him tax breaks without helping anyone at all.

Regardless, this isn't about Hillary vs. Trump, it's about Trump being a scumbag.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
And...the Clinton's isn't?
That swamp makes the rules. Someone, even the Clinton's, would be stupid not to follow the rules and benefit. Have you ever read a summary of the largest charities? Give to the Salvation Army if you want charitable charity. But, just pointing out one side to make a political point isn't really worth a discussion.

The Clinton Foundation actually helps people.

The Trump Foundation mostly just bribes people, tries to make Trump look good or gives him tax breaks without helping anyone at all.

Regardless, this isn't about Hillary vs. Trump, it's about Trump being a scumbag.

You actually believe that, don't you.
When you pretend that the Clinton foundation is anything but a slush fund you lose all credibility.

No, this isn't about Clinton vs Trump. This is about being more upset about an assumption he will do the same thing Clinton did than you did about her actually doing it.

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The same TIME magazine that gave Donald Trump devil horns and posed him like Hitler on their cover

It's for charity. (Oh the horror)

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The horror of it is that Trump's charity money has a history of being diverted back to Trump.

And...the Clinton's isn't?

That swamp makes the rules. Someone, even the Clinton's, would be stupid not to follow the rules and benefit. Have you ever read a summary of the largest charities? Give to the Salvation Army if you want charitable charity. But, just pointing out one side to make a political point isn't really worth a discussion.

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For a price, you too can buy access to Team Trump
12/20/16 12:54 PM—UPDATED 12/20/16 01:07 PM
By Steve Benen
By all accounts, Ivanka Trump will not be a typical presidential daughter. She’ll reportedly have a White House office, which she’ll be able to use to advocate for policies – a step she’s already taken with preliminary calls to Republican members of Congress. This follows a series of meetings Ivanka Trump has joined with her father, foreign leaders, domestic business leaders, and prospective cabinet members.

With this in mind, when Ivanka auctioned a lunch with her for tens of thousands of dollars, it raised eyebrows. Though the charitable auction was eventually scrapped, for a time, it appeared Donald Trump’s daughter was putting a high price on access to an influential member of the incoming president’s orbit.

This week, it’s apparently Ivanka’s brothers’ turn. Time magazine, among others, reported:
A new Texas nonprofit led by Donald Trump’s grown sons is offering access to the freshly-minted president during inauguration weekend – all in exchange for million-dollar donations to unnamed “conservation” charities, according to interviews and documents reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity.

And the donors’ identities may never be known.

Prospective million-dollar donors to the “Opening Day 2017” event – slated for Jan. 21, the day after inauguration, at Washington, D.C.’s Walter E. Washington Convention Center – receive a “private reception and photo opportunity for 16 guests with President Donald J. Trump,” a “multi-day hunting and/or fishing excursion for 4 guests with Donald Trump, Jr. and/or Eric Trump, and team,” as well as tickets to other events and “autographed guitars by an Opening Day 2017 performer.”
The prices aren’t cheap. For $250,000, donors can receive a “private reception and photo opportunity” with Donald Trump himself. To hunt with Trump’s adult sons, donors should expect to write a check for $500,000.

The details are murky, but according to the event management company helping oversee the fundraising, the money will go towards “conservation efforts.” There would be no legal requirement to disclose the donors’ names to the public.

In other words, on Jan. 20, Trump will be inaugurated. On Jan. 21, you can pony up some big bucks to hang out with the new president’s adult sons – who will apparently oversee Trump’s business empire – and no one will know it was you who bought the access.

All of this, of course, comes on the heels of additional fundraising – and additional access-at-a-cost efforts – from Trump’s inaugural committee. The Washington Post reported a few weeks ago:
The committee raising money for President-elect Donald Trump’s inaugural festivities is offering exclusive access to the new president, Cabinet nominees and congressional leaders in exchange for donations of $1 million and more.

For seven-figure contributions, Trump’s richest supporters will get a slew of special perks during the inauguration weekend, including eight tickets to a “candlelight dinner” that will feature “special appearances” by Trump, his wife, Melania, Vice President-elect Mike Pence and his wife, Karen, according to a sheet detailing “underwriter package benefits” obtained by The Washington Post. The 58th Presidential Inaugural Committee confirmed the authenticity of the donor brochure, which was first reported by the Center for Public Integrity.

Other million-donor benefits include an exclusive lunch “with select Cabinet appointees and House and Senate leadership,” four tickets to “an intimate dinner” with the Pences, eight tickets to a lunch with “the ladies of the first families,” eight tickets and premier access to the inaugural ball and priority booking at “Premier Inaugural Hotel(s).”
You can just hear the water being drained from the swamp, can’t you?

Trump’s team and its allies tend to respond to criticisms like these by pointing out that every modern president, from both parties, has had an inaugural committee that has done fundraising like this, and it’s just how things tend to work in Washington, D.C. And as pro-Trump arguments go, this defense at least has the benefit of being true.

But let’s not miss the forest for the trees: Trump ran on an anti-establishment platform, vowing to undo the business-as-usual norms in the nation’s capital. Trump, positioning himself as a faux-populist, said he was disgusted by what he saw as routine corruption, and the crushing influence of special interests, who could buy access with a hefty check. “Pay to play,” Trump effectively told voters, was one of the ugliest phrases in the political lexicon.

Paul Waldman added this morning, “You may recall how outraged Trump and pretty much every other Republican were at the idea that the Clinton Foundation – which actually does good work – could receive a large contribution from a donor who might at some later point have a meeting with the secretary of state. They described this as the absolute height of corruption, insider dealing so vile as to demand that Clinton be jailed at the earliest possible opportunity.”

And yet, here we are, watching leading members of Team Trump put a generous price on access to themselves, and engaging in the exact behavior the president-elect condemned as a candidate in the very recent past.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/price-you-too-can-buy-access-team-trump?cid=sm_fb_maddow