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Lucylastic -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 5:13:19 AM)

apparently not




blnymph -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 5:17:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Lets leave that decision to the companies drilling and selling the oil. Not Obama.

By what right? Just because they are oil companies? Why did you not vote for them for President of whatever in the first place ...?




servantforuse -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 5:25:11 AM)

They didn't run for president. Why do you care anyway ?




BamaD -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 5:25:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Lets leave that decision to the companies drilling and selling the oil. Not Obama.

By what right? Just because they are oil companies? Why did you not vote for them for President of whatever in the first place ...?

They would have been better than Trump or Clinton, but they weren't running.




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 5:33:41 AM)

the lunacy is strong today




Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 9:20:34 AM)

There appears to be a strong correlation with your presence, dear.

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WickedsDesire -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 10:08:25 AM)

Permanent unlike the ice cover guffaws

Actually I just finished watching deep water horizon and thought the film shit…Obviously not the incident or Piper Alpha either. Sure the soon to be iceless land/circle is pretty deep - from my memory…and the two infamous tankers who names escape me from now one of the Shetland Islands and one of Alaska

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Braer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_Alpha


America has enough oil reserves (as MrRodgers said) they just liked buying other peoples - foreign policy and destabilising the world with their muppet puppets. And that was before the lovely filthy tar/oil/sands and fracking chaos and advances drilling technology

PS good for him.





blnymph -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 12:34:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They didn't run for president. Why do you care anyway ?

The oiil company benefits got the US and many more in a lot of trouble in past and present. Maybe you noticed at some time.




vincentML -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 1:12:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

Yeah, you got it.

El Presidente ruling by royal edict. It's like some tinpot African banana republic.

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There is no provision in our Constitution for a caretaker government.

Asshole [8|]




Musicmystery -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 1:49:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

They didn't run for president. Why do you care anyway ?

The oiil company benefits got the US and many more in a lot of trouble in past and present. Maybe you noticed at some time.

The oil companies ARE the government.




Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 3:19:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

Yeah, you got it.

El Presidente ruling by royal edict. It's like some tinpot African banana republic.

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There is no provision in our Constitution for a caretaker government.

Asshole [8|]

Exactly my point.

Well done, my boy.

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Phoenixpower -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 3:40:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

the lunacy is strong today



😂😂😂😂😂




Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/22/2016 7:22:05 PM)

AWW, how cute. You participated.

That's just lovely, dear.

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Musicmystery -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/23/2016 9:15:11 AM)

The childishness is strong with this one.

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Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/23/2016 4:35:43 PM)

Yeah, I feel I'm still not reaching down far enough to click with the USians though.

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Musicmystery -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/23/2016 5:45:45 PM)

Maybe more pictures.

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Termyn8or -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/23/2016 8:23:25 PM)

FR

Ahem. For one, the Arctic region is not part of the US so he, as a supposed Constitutional scholar, is too fucking stupid to realize that he does not have jurisdiction over the area. He might be able to forbid US oil companies from drilling there, not sure, but what does BP stand for ? BRITISH PETROLEUM. That is not USian nor even American. Best he can do is to forbid the importation of that oil into the US.

And this golden boy of yours is so environmentally aware that while he gives away half a billion to a non-viable solar cell pipedream (Solyndra) allows those oil companies TOTAL exemption from environmental laws when it comes to fracking. And if you know anything about how soil works and about water down there and all that you know fracking is going to bite us in the ass. But as of January 20th he can start collecting his bribes for that.

The great hero. Yeah right.

T^T




MrRodgers -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/23/2016 9:29:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

Ahem. For one, the Arctic region is not part of the US so he, as a supposed Constitutional scholar, is too fucking stupid to realize that he does not have jurisdiction over the area. He might be able to forbid US oil companies from drilling there, not sure, but what does BP stand for ? BRITISH PETROLEUM. That is not USian nor even American. Best he can do is to forbid the importation of that oil into the US.

And this golden boy of yours is so environmentally aware that while he gives away half a billion to a non-viable solar cell pipedream (Solyndra) allows those oil companies TOTAL exemption from environmental laws when it comes to fracking. And if you know anything about how soil works and about water down there and all that you know fracking is going to bite us in the ass. But as of January 20th he can start collecting his bribes for that.

The great hero. Yeah right.

T^T

The truth about the entire program of which Solyndra was a small part. Yes, a small part. If you Termy wish to continue to just throw our nuggets of partisan swill...be my guest but first, the program was started by GW Bush.

Then along come a stimulus package, $30 billion of which went to what's called high risk start-ups. Let us not forget either that start-ups mean actual new jobs. Not just brining back those laid-off and not just saving those jobs held at the time...,but new jobs.

30 companies got that $30 billion give or take and also, lending to high-risk startups was only a small portion of the program’s portfolio—some $30 billion doled out to 30 companies and projects. The loans fell into three broad categories: startup manufacturers like Solyndra and Fisker; established automakers like Ford, which took a $5.9 billion loan (10 times what your favorite pet co. got) in September 2009 to modernize its plants, and Nissan, which got $1.4 billion; (3 times Solyndra) and projects like solar and wind farms that would produce energy and sell their output to utilities.

Far from the scandals that animated conservatives, most of these loans are doing quite well. They’re virtually all current, paying interest and principal every quarter. Indeed, the interest payments received so far outweigh the losses on the failed borrowers. And the gains for the U.S. power industry at large have been far greater.

Tesla, another early borrower, in May 2013 repaid its entire $465 million loan nine years ahead of schedule. Ford, which borrowed 12 times more cash than Tesla did, began making $148 million quarterly interest and principal payments on its loan in September 2012. According to Ford’s most recent 10-K, by the end of 2014, it had paid back $1.5 billion in principal. It will continue to make those payments through 2022. (The interest rate Ford pays is about 2.3 percent.) Yes maybe Ford wasn't a start-up and didn't need it but.....

..... many of the loans that the Energy Department has made went to startups employing untested technologies. A good chunk of the money in the period from 2009 to 2011 supported giant, first-of-their kind, utility-scale solar and wind projects, like the 290-megawatt Agua Caliente project in Arizona, which reached full operation in 2014, or the 240-megawatt Antelope Valley Solar Ranch plant. They’re called utility-scale because they approach in size the type of fossil fuel–powered plants that utilities can rely on. And prior to 2009, nobody in the U.S or in the world, really, had attempted to build several of them at once.

The loan program says it has made loans to 17 entities that are currently producing power—and hence generating revenue to pay back their loans. Meanwhile, as the industry has gained scale (thanks in part to the Energy Department–backed projects), the price of building such plants has fallen. And so the private sector has seized the initiative. Solar and wind are booming in the U.S., as utilities, private equity firms, banks, startups, and Fortune 500 companies are rushing to finance the construction of dozens of large-scale emissions-free power plants.

According to the Solar Energy Industries Association, the U.S. utility-scale solar sector grew 38 percent in 2014. From nothing before the loan guarantees, utility-scale solar now accounts for about 4 gigawatts of generating capacity. It’s a genuine growth industry, financed largely by private funds. Oh yea...now it is, as I write, jumping on the bandwagon after govt. takes all of the initial risk.

Oh but the govt. doesn't produce jobs or create businesses let alone wealth...no, of course not. SO where in the hell was the great risk-takers of the great and glorious capitalist marketplace ? With their chicken-shit, risk averse heads up their ass, hiding behind govt. risk...waiting to jump on the govt. bandwagon to then see if they can make some fucking money.

By some studies, some 30 million people or more, are now working at tech companies having been created through entire industries, making Billion$ in PRIVATE profits...thanks to govt. taking the R & D and start-up risks that the capitalist is too lazy and greedy to underwrite. They instead go after consumer markets that already exist, buy up existing companies and lay off people, spend billion$ on buying their stock back and then borrow money from those cowardly, fraudulent, fucking bankers to pay dividends.

Oh and Termy, I ask that you make up your very narrow mind, either the EPA over regulates or it...under regulates.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/23/2016 10:11:21 PM)


Not to put too fine a point on it, but I am almost positive that part of Alaska is North of 66° which would make it within the (generally accepted) Arctic Circle.

I am also almost positive that it was Slick Willy who first put the kabash on anyone drilling in A.N.W.A.R. (I could be wrong, but I think that stands for: {A}laskan {N}ational {W}ildlife park {A}nd {R}eserve).



Michael




MrRodgers -> RE: Obama bans offshore oil drilling Arctic & Atlantic (12/24/2016 4:10:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Not to put too fine a point on it, but I am almost positive that part of Alaska is North of 66° which would make it within the (generally accepted) Arctic Circle.

I am also almost positive that it was Slick Willy who first put the kabash on anyone drilling in A.N.W.A.R. (I could be wrong, but I think that stands for: {A}laskan {N}ational {W}ildlife park {A}nd {R}eserve).



Michael


Part right.

The U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation in 1978 and 1979 designating the entire original Range, including the now contested arctic coastal tundra, as Wilderness.

Senate's version, however, required studies of wildlife and petroleum resources, and the potential impacts of oil and gas development within the northern part of the Range. It postponed the decision to authorize oil and gas development or Wilderness designation. Differences between the House and Senate were not worked out by a conference committee in the usual manner. Instead, following the 1980 election, the House accepted the Senate bill and President Carter signed ANILCA into law. ANILCA doubled the size of the Range, renamed it the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and designated most of the original Range as Wilderness.

In Section 1003 of ANILCA, Congress specifically stated that the "production of oil and gas from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is prohibited and no leasing or other development leading to production of oil and gas from the [Refuge] shall be undertaken until authorized by an act of Congress."

Information gathered from the biological, seismic and geological studies were used to complete a Legislative Environmental Impact Statement (LEIS) that described the potential impacts of oil and gas development. This LEIS included the Secretary's final report and recommendation, and was submitted to Congress in 1987.

Congress failed to act on the recommendation, first in 1989 following the Exxon Valdez oil spill, and again in 1991 when a provision to open the Arctic Refuge to development was dropped from the National Energy Policy Act. In 1995, Congress passed budget legislation that included a provision to allow drilling in the Refuge. President Clinton vetoed the bill, stating "I want to protect this biologically rich wilderness permanently."

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