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The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/21/2016 8:30:03 AM   
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A victory for Donald Trump is a victory for his supporters. Among them are voters who feel disenfranchised and overlooked, who fear their way of life is disappearing. But they also include a noisy minority of misogynist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic racists who made ubiquitous on social media during the campaign. This group, known as the alt-right, grew from an obscure white supremacist think tank. Now the candidate they embraced is about to become the most powerful politician in the world.

Yet perhaps paradoxically, their future looks iffy.

When a group denounced as deplorable by the seeming mainstream has its beliefs affirmed on this grand scale, that group cannot help but change. On the one hand, for the alt-right and white supremacists, that affirmation is cause for them to celebrate: what was once only said on the fringes and behind closed doors now appears to be part of mainstream discourse. (See Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke tweeting in jubilation at Trump’s ascendency.) Yet even as a Trump presidency appears to increase its influence, the alt-right is bound to falter. The half-life for extremist groups is short: the alt-right has a good chance of fracturing into oblivion. Or it could just fizzle: that’s what happens when you no longer have anyone in power to yell at but your own champion.


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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/21/2016 8:38:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Weird piece for Wired, as they've been cheerleaders for the alt-right from the off: they never met a libertarian reactionary in high tech they didn't like, did they?
Or has the definition of the alt-right changed from when it was when it was used to describe hipster idiots who think that talking like Rush Limpdick makes them look daringly iconoclastic and edgy, rather than a reactionary old fart? Is it now the whole of the American right outside of the Republican party?

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/21/2016 9:55:29 AM   
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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/21/2016 9:58:41 AM   
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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/21/2016 10:23:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		If there are a series of major 9/11 style terrorist attacks under Trump, then it is possible that it will not fail.
No matter who you are, the appeal of 'strong' (authoritarian/fascist) leadership in the wake of a 9/11 is pretty irresistible... Bush definitely exploited 9/11.

Honestly, the way Trump is already fucking up his transition, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened... and the scary thing is, Trump is exactly the kind of person who would strike while the iron is hot and launch some insane revenge plan while tensions are high and tempers are flaring... and this would of course escalate.

If he's also needlessly antagonizing China at the same time, it could be very very bad.

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/21/2016 10:36:48 AM   
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If there are a series of major 9/11 style terrorist attacks under Trump, then it is possible that it will not fail.
No matter who you are, the appeal of 'strong' (authoritarian/fascist) leadership in the wake of a 9/11 is pretty irresistible... Bush definitely exploited 9/11.

Maybe that's what he's hoping for to get from his short Russian bestie in exchange for lifting the sanctions and recognising the occupation of the Ukraine and the Crimea?

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/21/2016 6:30:25 PM   
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You misspelled "Alt-Reich."

That would explain the "Germanistan" fetish here.

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/21/2016 9:14:51 PM   
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If there are a series of major 9/11 style terrorist attacks under Trump, then it is possible that it will not fail.
No matter who you are, the appeal of 'strong' (authoritarian/fascist) leadership in the wake of a 9/11 is pretty irresistible... Bush definitely exploited 9/11.

Honestly, the way Trump is already fucking up his transition, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened... and the scary thing is, Trump is exactly the kind of person who would strike while the iron is hot and launch some insane revenge plan while tensions are high and tempers are flaring... and this would of course escalate.

If he's also needlessly antagonizing China at the same time, it could be very very bad.

He has no clue what he's doing -- and doesn't want to get one.

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 4:50:14 AM   
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You misspelled "Alt-Reich."

That would explain the "Germanistan" fetish here.


Yes - the switch from "those jerries all nazis" to "those jerries all muslims" without delay is still mildly amusing.
Those guys are so inventive in publicly exposing the simplicity of their minds.


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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 6:09:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, [it] will and is as long as they extend their 15 minutes of fame...be a disaster for the real conservative movement.

“At least he’s better than Hillary” was a perfectly valid standard for conservatives in the voting booth. It is a suicidal standard for the conservative movement during a Trump presidency. National Review

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 11:03:18 AM   
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And the DNC too.

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 12:20:04 PM   
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Maybe by 2020 the idiot who raps like John Barnes will look like the credible nominee next to whoever else gets dredged up?

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 1:47:45 PM   
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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 3:59:45 PM   
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Yes, [it] will and is as long as they extend their 15 minutes of fame...be a disaster for the real conservative movement.

“At least he’s better than Hillary” was a perfectly valid standard for conservatives in the voting booth. It is a suicidal standard for the conservative movement during a Trump presidency. National Review

Word.

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 4:30:47 PM   
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A victory for Donald Trump is a victory for his supporters. Among them are voters who feel disenfranchised and overlooked, who fear their way of life is disappearing.


Do you actually blame them? The left is always telling white males that we aren't entitled to have our say and our issues don't matter.

Is it any wonder why plenty of white males hate that disgusting attitude against them? Do you just expect white males to be alll okay with pure hatred against them? We are just supposed to smile and turn the other cheek?

What makes the left think that white men should just take it and never defend themselves? The left pretty much expects white men to have no self respect and no pride in themselves. Just let everyone trample all over us because what other white dudes did a zillion years ago.

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 7:02:38 PM   
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Even W looks good at this point.



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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/22/2016 8:54:40 PM   
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A victory for Donald Trump is a victory for his supporters. Among them are voters who feel disenfranchised and overlooked, who fear their way of life is disappearing.


Do you actually blame them? The left is always telling white males that we aren't entitled to have our say and our issues don't matter.

Is it any wonder why plenty of white males hate that disgusting attitude against them? Do you just expect white males to be alll okay with pure hatred against them? We are just supposed to smile and turn the other cheek?

What makes the left think that white men should just take it and never defend themselves? The left pretty much expects white men to have no self respect and no pride in themselves. Just let everyone trample all over us because what other white dudes did a zillion years ago.




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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/23/2016 5:11:42 AM   
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Even W looks good at this point.

Let's not stretch the point: "better than the Cheeto Fuhrer" doesn't mean "any good" or "desirable as a President", just "slightly less crap".
Still, now that the bar has been dropped so low, it'll be fun seeing who gets dredged up in four years time, won't it?

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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/23/2016 9:26:39 AM   
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RE: The Alt-Right Will Fail. Even Under President Trump - 12/23/2016 6:36:34 PM   
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If there are a series of major 9/11 style terrorist attacks under Trump, then it is possible that it will not fail.
No matter who you are, the appeal of 'strong' (authoritarian/fascist) leadership in the wake of a 9/11 is pretty irresistible... Bush definitely exploited 9/11.

Honestly, the way Trump is already fucking up his transition, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened... and the scary thing is, Trump is exactly the kind of person who would strike while the iron is hot and launch some insane revenge plan while tensions are high and tempers are flaring... and this would of course escalate.

If he's also needlessly antagonizing China at the same time, it could be very very bad.

God I hope that's not the way it goes.

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