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MrRodgers -> Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 6:02:24 AM)

Now I wouldn't be surprised if the repubs give him a huge pass on this...that's their SOP. Now Newt has a very unique take on this, is worried but has a very simple and repub-like solution.

Change the laws in Trumps favor like a true plutocrat or issue what could only could be called...pre-pardons. [sic]

Why am I not surprised ? Straight out of the repub playbook.

Trump may have already violated the Emoluments act with the Kuwaitis.

Oh but Hillary was corrupt...because we say so. Trump is clean because...we say so.

HERE

Read the link and come back and tell us what you think Trump (and family) should do.




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 6:34:01 AM)

So it's ok for just one example, that the ground lease (GSA) owner of Trump International in Wash., DC specifically requires...cannot be any elected official ?




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 6:37:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Read the link and come back and tell us what you think Trump (and family) should do.

Somebody'll run screaming for a moderator and the post'll get yanked if I make any honest suggestion as to what La Boheme boy* and his brood of hobgoblins should do.
[:D]

*(I think that's the opera featuring "Your Tiny Hand Is Frozen", but I could be thinking of something else)




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 10:53:32 AM)

Here's my question . . .

How is it that his conflicts of interest would NOT be a concern?




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 12:24:48 PM)

Apparently because conflicts of interest aren't significant unless somebody's trying to spin somebody called Clinton having been paid to make a speech as proof that she's a tool of the ZOG.
Great, innit?




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 1:40:42 PM)

Fuck both parties.

This country needs an infusion of common sense.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 2:04:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Fuck both parties.

This country needs an infusion of common sense.

I'm beginning to think the same for us over here too!

Unfortunately, 'sense' is all too UNcommon these days. {le sigh}




Wayward5oul -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 2:24:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Fuck both parties.

This country needs an infusion of common sense.

I was hoping that this election cycle would be an epiphany for people and would lead to something along those lines. So much for that.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 2:31:02 PM)

Yeah, not so much.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 3:28:19 PM)

quote:

This country needs an infusion of commie sense.

Fixed it for ya. [:D]




Greta75 -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/22/2016 3:51:20 PM)

It's not about a huge pass or whatever.

Trump and his business is heavily intertwined. Unfortunately, he is in the hotel business. Any diplomats choosing to stay in Trump hotel will be seen as a conflict of interest.

This complication stems from the nature of his business. Maybe if he just own a supermarket chain or something, "maybe" there is less of a problem? Or if his supermarket business increase, then it's conflict of interest again? Using his Presidential to increase his business?

Are they suppose to ban foreign diplomats from using Trump hotel. It is natural diplomats will want to be in the President's good graces by doing something PR, like staying at the hotels he owns.

Everything about this situation is unique and very new. People can scream all the conflict of interest all they want. Are they saying business men can never be Presidents? Because this is what it is.

Imagine if Bill Gates was President. Then Microsoft is gonna keep getting more deals by foreign entities as well, might be a surge. Then people will be screaming conflict again.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/23/2016 9:12:39 AM)

And they'd be right, just as they are now.




blnymph -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/23/2016 10:30:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

It's not about a huge pass or whatever.

Trump and his business is heavily intertwined. Unfortunately, he is in the hotel business. Any diplomats choosing to stay in Trump hotel will be seen as a conflict of interest.

This complication stems from the nature of his business. Maybe if he just own a supermarket chain or something, "maybe" there is less of a problem? Or if his supermarket business increase, then it's conflict of interest again? Using his Presidential to increase his business?

Are they suppose to ban foreign diplomats from using Trump hotel. It is natural diplomats will want to be in the President's good graces by doing something PR, like staying at the hotels he owns.

Everything about this situation is unique and very new. People can scream all the conflict of interest all they want. Are they saying business men can never be Presidents? Because this is what it is.

Imagine if Bill Gates was President. Then Microsoft is gonna keep getting more deals by foreign entities as well, might be a surge. Then people will be screaming conflict again.


In every other country on the globe (maybe except yours) this is simply called corruption.

Any more to abandon, or "bend in favour"?




Wayward5oul -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/23/2016 1:33:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

It's not about a huge pass or whatever.

Trump and his business is heavily intertwined. Unfortunately, he is in the hotel business. Any diplomats choosing to stay in Trump hotel will be seen as a conflict of interest.

This complication stems from the nature of his business. Maybe if he just own a supermarket chain or something, "maybe" there is less of a problem? Or if his supermarket business increase, then it's conflict of interest again? Using his Presidential to increase his business?

Are they suppose to ban foreign diplomats from using Trump hotel. It is natural diplomats will want to be in the President's good graces by doing something PR, like staying at the hotels he owns.

Everything about this situation is unique and very new. People can scream all the conflict of interest all they want. Are they saying business men can never be Presidents? Because this is what it is.

Imagine if Bill Gates was President. Then Microsoft is gonna keep getting more deals by foreign entities as well, might be a surge. Then people will be screaming conflict again.


No, it is not new, though Trump's case is unique, because of the extent of his holdings. Trump is not the first successful businessman that we have elected president. Other presidents that had businesses, however, chose to find a way to deal with that prior to being elected so that there would not be any conflict of interest.

But not Trump-he started 8 new companies in Saudi Arabia alone, after announcing his candidacy.

President Carter put his business in a trust, something which Trump constantly said he would do, but now that he is president he is saying he won't do.

Nixon sold his assets.

presidents in recent history have generally tried their best to adhere to the conflict of interest laws that govern their fellow executive branch colleagues, keeping plain vanilla portfolios during their time in office. “You do not want to hold financial interests that present a potential conflict of interest with your official duties,” says Kiernan.

For example, Bill Clinton used blind trusts while he was in office, as did George W. Bush. When Hillary Clinton launched her first presidential run in 2007, she went so far as to liquidating her blind trust to eliminate any investments that might create a problem down the road. Since then, she has kept the proceeds in bank accounts, treasury notes and mutual funds.

Outside of the blind trusts that held their investments, the Bushes and Clintons kept personal real estate, cash accounts, life insurance, bonds and mutual funds. The Obamas bucked the trend when they decided against using blind trusts, but their mix of bank accounts, treasury notes, index funds and college savings was unlikely to pose a direct conflict of interest.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferwang/2016/11/15/why-trump-wont-use-a-blind-trust-and-what-his-predecessors-did-with-their-assets/#530899687915



Its called setting priorities.

If you decide to run for president, you do so knowing that your businesses will be an issue. You make plans for that. If you are elected, you follow through. Period. None of this was info that he was not aware of prior to running. He knew this day was coming, and he made promises about how it was going to be handled. But instead of following through with that, he continued, throughout his candidacy, to create potential business conflicts in the Middle East. And has gone back on his word about how he will handle it all.

If you feel like your businesses are more important than the presidency, then you don't run for the office.

Being President of the United States is not a part time job. It requires his full attention and it requires that he not be in a position that he have to consider his own conflicts of interests when making decisions.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/23/2016 5:49:19 PM)

Instead of banking on benefiting.




Termyn8or -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/23/2016 8:13:16 PM)

FR

In case y'all did not know, members of congress are allowed to dabble in the stock market. They are allowed to invest or divest based on personal knowledge aforehand that they are going to pass legislation, or give contracts that directly affect the value of their own investments.

This is all perfectly legal. They made it perfectly legal. Also, if they are on their way to a session in congress, they cannot be arrested FOR ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

And the SEC busted Martha Stewart for what ?

And WTF is Trump going to do, not allow Muslims to play golf at his courses or stay at his hotels ? They talk about him building a hotel in Saudi Arabia, so what ? Is he going to put bombs in it in case they do something wrong ? (which they already do but nobody seems to care)

I don't care. Everyone in the beltway has an agenda, and usually that agenda is to get as rich as possible. Lie, cheat, insider trading, take bribes. All OK.

So the President doesn't get bribes while in office. Sure. Do you think a bunch of successful business people want to hear the musings of an ex-President to the tune of a hundred grand or whatever ? Fuck no, that is the payoff for something they did in office for them.

The difference between the President and congress is that congress can get their bribe money right away. And being the lawmakers they are never going to make a law against it, because after all you just can't live on $176,000 a year. (they are about due for a raise, if you got three toga partiers in Harvard or Yale that money does not go very far)

Remember the monkeys and the electrified banana. You have to change them all at the same time.

T^T




Greta75 -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/23/2016 8:46:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph
In every other country on the globe (maybe except yours) this is simply called corruption.

Any more to abandon, or "bend in favour"?

It's not corruption.
The founder of our country, pretty much have his wife, run public transport, his daughter in law manage our tax payers money in investments, keeping our country reserves in surpluses by the multi-billions, and have his sons run our major telecommunications providers. Not in government positions. Public transportation is privatised, and the company is owned by his wife. Telecommunications is obviously private companies and own by his sons. Fund managing of our reserve is also by an external fund managing company, where his daughter in law was CEO in.

Yet we have one of the lowest corruption in the world. How corrupted a country is, is not decided by us in international rankings.

Family can be in business catering to the government and it doesn't have to be corrupted. As long as they work towards the good of the country.

In this situation, i see no evidence of corruption. I do not believe Trump is forcing diplomats to use Trump organization services at all.

The problem now is IF they choose to, Trump gets in trouble.

That's ridiculous.

But it's just interesting how in our situation. None of us raise up a stink about his family running all the major things, because they are doing such a great job with it.

And if they fuck up, they get penalties accordingly. No special treatment.

But I *think* US doesn't have a system where they fine telecommunications and transportation companies for not performing up to a certain level of standards.




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/23/2016 11:26:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

In case y'all did not know, members of congress are allowed to dabble in the stock market. They are allowed to invest or divest based on personal knowledge aforehand that they are going to pass legislation, or give contracts that directly affect the value of their own investments.

This is all perfectly legal. They made it perfectly legal. Also, if they are on their way to a session in congress, they cannot be arrested FOR ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

And the SEC busted Martha Stewart for what ?

And WTF is Trump going to do, not allow Muslims to play golf at his courses or stay at his hotels ? They talk about him building a hotel in Saudi Arabia, so what ? Is he going to put bombs in it in case they do something wrong ? (which they already do but nobody seems to care)

I don't care. Everyone in the beltway has an agenda, and usually that agenda is to get as rich as possible. Lie, cheat, insider trading, take bribes. All OK.

So the President doesn't get bribes while in office. Sure. Do you think a bunch of successful business people want to hear the musings of an ex-President to the tune of a hundred grand or whatever ? Fuck no, that is the payoff for something they did in office for them.

The difference between the President and congress is that congress can get their bribe money right away. And being the lawmakers they are never going to make a law against it, because after all you just can't live on $176,000 a year. (they are about due for a raise, if you got three toga partiers in Harvard or Yale that money does not go very far)

Remember the monkeys and the electrified banana. You have to change them all at the same time.

T^T

Oh now you don't care but but but...Hillary was so corrupt, we just couldn't vote for that cunt/crook.

Now we can cut yours and the right's hypocrisy with a fucking knife. Seems then it is much worse to be accused of being corrupt then it is to know the president-elect who 60+ million voted for because of it...IS fucking corrupt. Trump foundation admits to IRS...it IS corrupt.

Remember the campaign just a few weeks/months ago ?

Hey Donny boy, how about a new 5 star in Beijing and we'll lend your govt. another Trillion $ that you'll surely need with your rent-seeking tax cuts. Just let us have the South China Sea.

Hey Donny boy...how about a 5 star right in Tehran just look the other way when WE go ahead build nukes...now ?

Hey Donny boy how about we pay off Deutsch bank for you, look the other way when we send a few divs. right into Kiev and take the fuck over ?

Hey Donny boy, send your wife and daughter both over to suck my cock and we'll give ole Rexy (new sec. of state) say 10% off on our oil for Exxon ?

As Newt says, fuck the laws, just pull out the ole repub playbook...pardon everybody. HERE

Might just as well pardon Noriega. All he was doing was selling cocaine while on CIA payroll...small potatoes hey Donny.






MrRodgers -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/23/2016 11:35:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph
In every other country on the globe (maybe except yours) this is simply called corruption.

Any more to abandon, or "bend in favour"?

It's not corruption.
The founder of our country, pretty much have his wife, run public transport, his daughter in law manage our tax payers money in investments, keeping our country reserves in surpluses by the multi-billions, and have his sons run our major telecommunications providers. Not in government positions. Public transportation is privatised, and the company is owned by his wife. Telecommunications is obviously private companies and own by his sons. Fund managing of our reserve is also by an external fund managing company, where his daughter in law was CEO in.

Yet we have one of the lowest corruption in the world. How corrupted a country is, is not decided by us in international rankings.

Family can be in business catering to the government and it doesn't have to be corrupted. As long as they work towards the good of the country.

In this situation, i see no evidence of corruption. I do not believe Trump is forcing diplomats to use Trump organization services at all.

The problem now is IF they choose to, Trump gets in trouble.

That's ridiculous.

But it's just interesting how in our situation. None of us raise up a stink about his family running all the major things, because they are doing such a great job with it.

And if they fuck up, they get penalties accordingly. No special treatment.

But I *think* US doesn't have a system where they fine telecommunications and transportation companies for not performing up to a certain level of standards.

Well the GSA is paying a Trump co. for security for starters. The new sec. of state wants a good deal for Russian oil for Exxon. Think he'll get it ? The Trump Foundation to IRS...we ARE corrupt !!

Comparing your country with no power to change anything in the world, with ours who preaches transparency and 'not even an appearance of any conflicts' and is the world's superpower...is not even a nice try.

Oh not to put to fine a point on all of this, Trump International is on a ground lease with the GSA that specifically prohibits ownership from being ANY elected official. Oh but hey, what's a little corruption when we all wish we too could be greedy, capitalist scum and be elected POUS ?




BoscoX -> RE: Trump's conflicts of interest. Do they matter ? (12/24/2016 6:46:08 AM)

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