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'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/22/2016 10:50:34 PM   
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"Merry Christmas from your Muslim friends!"

A few cherry-picked paragraphs from AP via Yahoo:

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Australia police: Christmas Day bomb plot foiled, 5 detained

CANBERRA, Australia (AP) -- Police in Australia have detained five men suspected of planning a series of Christmas Day bomb attacks in the heart of the country's second-largest city, officials said Friday.

The suspects had been inspired by the Islamic State group and planned attacks on Melbourne's Flinders Street train station, neighboring Federation Square and St. Paul's Cathedral, Victoria state Police Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton said.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said: "This is one of the most substantial terrorist plots that have been disrupted over the last several years."

Since Australia's terrorist threat level was elevated in September 2014, the government says there have been four extremist attacks and 12 plots foiled by police.

Victoria state Premier Daniel Andrews said there will be extra police on the streets of Melbourne on Christmas Day to make the public feel safe.

Ashton described those arrested as "self-radicalized" and inspired by Islamic State propaganda.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/australian-police-prevented-bombings-christmas-225149726.html?ref=gs


"Self radicalized"

Meditate on that.

Allah commanded this through their prophet Muhammad, as told in the Quran.
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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/22/2016 11:18:03 PM   
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"Self radicalized"

Meditate on that.



I have been ruminating on this for quite some time. I won't delve into the whole "Islam is not a religion of peace " argument.

I am going to just stick with the bit I cherry-picked:

This term has pissed me off from the very first time I heard it. Once again, it is people, using bullshit to try to deflect from the real issue:

People don't "self-radicalize". Islam radicalizes people.

By using this bullshit phrase, the guilty parties have managed to target those small-minded individuals who get 90% of their "news" from social media and comedy television stations. They have talked down to and manipulated these people into believing that Islam is not the problem when, quite clearly, it is.

Even a cursory reading the Qur'an shows the simple fact that one of the tenets of the religion is that anyone that isn't a Muslim must become one or die. Read deeper and one finds that - despite the wagging tongues of the nabobs - there is no "exception" or "wiggle room". No quarter is given for any who are not "true Islamic faithful".

"Self-radicalized" is a bullshit term, made up by and used by bullshit artists who are not concerned with our best interests.



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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 5:23:50 AM   
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"Self-radicalized" is a bullshit term, made up by and used by bullshit artists who are not concerned with our best interests.

So the whole of the American right is culpable for Tim McVeigh, then?

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 6:29:28 AM   
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nah it only happens with muslims apparently, its in their genes...or jeans....Im not sure....


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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 6:37:31 AM   
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With 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet, if they REALLY wanted to take over, they would

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 6:45:02 AM   
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"Self-radicalized" is a bullshit term, made up by and used by bullshit artists who are not concerned with our best interests.

So the whole of the American right is culpable for Tim McVeigh, then?

You, like most on the left, don't understand the difference between Islam and radical Islam. You seem to confuse wanting to recognize the threat of radical Islam with hating all Muslims most of the Muslims I personally know are good decent people, however none of them want to go on a killing spree to see how many infidels they can kill. The radicals put out "information" on the net, for example, to seduce the radical leaning, the disadvantaged, and the mentally ill into "self radicalization". If 10 to 20 % of Americans had cheered McVeigh on and called him a national hero there would be some credence to your statement. That was not the case. McVeigh was a worthless murderer, now he is a red herring.

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 6:51:32 AM   
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With 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet, if they REALLY wanted to take over, they would

Don't you understand that if only 10% of Muslims agreed with the radicals they would still be a major threat. You also don't understand that most of their victims are Muslims, or that more of them have died at the hands of other Muslims than from the rest of the world combined.
Finally if they openly tried to take over the world the middle east would be a smoking crater. Instead they count on people who yell Islamaphobe every time any wants to deal with the radicals.

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 6:57:33 AM   
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With 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet, if they REALLY wanted to take over, they would


You mean, take over exactly like they are commanded to in the Quran

And beside the vast portions of the planet they have taken over already, and virtually eliminated non-Muslims


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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 6:58:13 AM   
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You, like most on the left, don't understand the difference between Islam and radical Islam. You seem to confuse wanting to recognize the threat of radical Islam with hating all Muslims most of the Muslims I personally know are good decent people, however none of them want to go on a killing spree to see how many infidels they can kill. The radicals put out "information" on the net, for example, to seduce the radical leaning, the disadvantaged, and the mentally ill into "self radicalization". If 10 to 20 % of Americans had cheered McVeigh on and called him a national hero there would be some credence to your statement. That was not the case. McVeigh was a worthless murderer, now he is a red herring.

The bullshit is strong in this post.

Refusing to differentiate between radical Islam and the majority of moslems is more of a rightist thing than a leftist approach, as is demonstrated by all of the hysterical ranting rightards come out with about the Koran telling all moslems to kill everybody who doesn't share their beliefs whenever there's a terrorist attack by a moslem, all moslems being potential terrorists who hate the western way of life, anybody who doesn't want to deport all of the moslems who won't convert to baptism being in favour of them imposing shariah law, etc. If you can miss all that stuff with the amount of time you spend on here, that's some heavyweight confirmation bias you got going on there.

As for McVeigh, and DS' strange argument that there's no such thing as self-radicalisation, exactly who radicalised Mcveigh if he didn't radicalise himself? If there are no independently motivated terrorists, who was running McVeigh? Why can libertarian twats like McVeigh be independent operators, unaligned with the rest of their religious and cultural group, while all moslems without exception support terrorist groups like daesh and al-queda?

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 6:59:00 AM   
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nah it only happens with muslims apparently, its in their genes...or jeans....Im not sure....



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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 7:11:08 AM   
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Morons like you need to learn your history

Muslims have always been at war with infidels. The Ottomans made it formal when they declared jihad on the Christian West in WW I and promptly got their asses handed to them, which is why and how their lands were subjugated by Western powers in the ensuing years.

They are still at it, though mostly subdued only by their relative weakness vs. our strength. Don't mistake their inaction with their intent

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 7:11:11 AM   
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*shakes head*

Left Folks = Terrorism has NOTHING to do with Islam

Why are they helping Islam perpetuate this lie?




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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 7:14:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You, like most on the left, don't understand the difference between Islam and radical Islam.


Islam, knows it is time to wait, they are not yet strong enough. RADICAL Islam cannot wait, they follow the commands now

ETA

It is nice (for us) that they are divided, and have to spend a lot of resources guarding against one another else we probably would have been fucked a long time ago





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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 7:49:16 AM   
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DaddySatyr There is/was wiggle room for Christianity, Jews, and I forget the other – were they astronomers with a good book and were not persecuted until the more radical elements took over and defined their interpretations…12-14 century.... probably actually all scripture is the wiggle factor.

That aside it certainly softens people up makes them more pliable. So you can’t become self radicalized as that is a virtual impossibility, and I loathe the term self radicalised. They were influenced by certain lines of “scripture” damming heretics (infidels)....warped/bastardised/conditioned/programmed by others for the weak, meek an pliable.

In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of Jannah (Paradise). This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed[1] to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.[2][3] Conversly, women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied with him".[4] ….that maths/stat makes no sense

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/23/2016 8:06:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You, like most on the left, don't understand the difference between Islam and radical Islam. You seem to confuse wanting to recognize the threat of radical Islam with hating all Muslims most of the Muslims I personally know are good decent people, however none of them want to go on a killing spree to see how many infidels they can kill. The radicals put out "information" on the net, for example, to seduce the radical leaning, the disadvantaged, and the mentally ill into "self radicalization". If 10 to 20 % of Americans had cheered McVeigh on and called him a national hero there would be some credence to your statement. That was not the case. McVeigh was a worthless murderer, now he is a red herring.

The bullshit is strong in this post.

Refusing to differentiate between radical Islam and the majority of moslems is more of a rightist thing than a leftist approach, as is demonstrated by all of the hysterical ranting rightards come out with about the Koran telling all moslems to kill everybody who doesn't share their beliefs whenever there's a terrorist attack by a moslem, all moslems being potential terrorists who hate the western way of life, anybody who doesn't want to deport all of the moslems who won't convert to baptism being in favour of them imposing shariah law, etc. If you can miss all that stuff with the amount of time you spend on here, that's some heavyweight confirmation bias you got going on there.

As for McVeigh, and DS' strange argument that there's no such thing as self-radicalisation, exactly who radicalised Mcveigh if he didn't radicalise himself? If there are no independently motivated terrorists, who was running McVeigh? Why can libertarian twats like McVeigh be independent operators, unaligned with the rest of their religious and cultural group, while all moslems without exception support terrorist groups like daesh and al-queda?

So you believe that these people just come up with these ideas by themselves? McVeigh had outside influences, although it was his fault that he followed them.
Can you really said that organized groups that constantly spew hate have no influence on these "lone wolfs" even though the "lone wolfs" follow the advice of ISIS and their ilk? Operating alone, as per ISIS guidelines, using the tactics in the attacks as per ISIS guidelines, but still you insist that they just woke up one morning decided to kill people and just happened to use the methods ISIS says to use.
What you refuse to see is that once the conversation has been engaged for a while the right leaning people make the mistake of thinking that the left can remember that our words of hostility are aimed at the radicals.
We also get a little sick of the left trying to leave the impression that McVeigh cancels out a couple hundred Muslim terrorists.
If you actually paid attention to what I say you would know that your dismissal of what I say is grossly inaccurate. You either can't read (which I don't believe to be the case) or you decide in advance what I am going to say and respond to that rather than what I actually say.

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/24/2016 3:46:34 PM   
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So you believe that these people just come up with these ideas by themselves? McVeigh had outside influences, although it was his fault that he followed them.
Can you really said that organized groups that constantly spew hate have no influence on these "lone wolfs" even though the "lone wolfs" follow the advice of ISIS and their ilk? Operating alone, as per ISIS guidelines, using the tactics in the attacks as per ISIS guidelines, but still you insist that they just woke up one morning decided to kill people and just happened to use the methods ISIS says to use.
What you refuse to see is that once the conversation has been engaged for a while the right leaning people make the mistake of thinking that the left can remember that our words of hostility are aimed at the radicals.
We also get a little sick of the left trying to leave the impression that McVeigh cancels out a couple hundred Muslim terrorists.
If you actually paid attention to what I say you would know that your dismissal of what I say is grossly inaccurate. You either can't read (which I don't believe to be the case) or you decide in advance what I am going to say and respond to that rather than what I actually say.


And then where do military organizations which specialize in terrorism like ISIS come from? Where have they been coming from, since around 600 AD. Kill one snake and another one arises!

Again and again and again and again, groups just like ISIS have arisen to slaughter all the infidels possible. Currently you have Boko Haram, al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran... And many more. The Quran inspires these groups and there will be no end to them until Islam ends.

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/24/2016 3:52:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

So you believe that these people just come up with these ideas by themselves? McVeigh had outside influences, although it was his fault that he followed them.
Can you really said that organized groups that constantly spew hate have no influence on these "lone wolfs" even though the "lone wolfs" follow the advice of ISIS and their ilk? Operating alone, as per ISIS guidelines, using the tactics in the attacks as per ISIS guidelines, but still you insist that they just woke up one morning decided to kill people and just happened to use the methods ISIS says to use.
What you refuse to see is that once the conversation has been engaged for a while the right leaning people make the mistake of thinking that the left can remember that our words of hostility are aimed at the radicals.
We also get a little sick of the left trying to leave the impression that McVeigh cancels out a couple hundred Muslim terrorists.
If you actually paid attention to what I say you would know that your dismissal of what I say is grossly inaccurate. You either can't read (which I don't believe to be the case) or you decide in advance what I am going to say and respond to that rather than what I actually say.



It's ironic that the loony left can't understand this, but let an abortion clinic get blown up and the moaning and gnashing of teeth over the "evil Christians" is almost as loud as the moaning of the souls of the damned, burning in hell for the murder of innocents.



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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/24/2016 4:08:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

So you believe that these people just come up with these ideas by themselves? McVeigh had outside influences, although it was his fault that he followed them.
Can you really said that organized groups that constantly spew hate have no influence on these "lone wolfs" even though the "lone wolfs" follow the advice of ISIS and their ilk? Operating alone, as per ISIS guidelines, using the tactics in the attacks as per ISIS guidelines, but still you insist that they just woke up one morning decided to kill people and just happened to use the methods ISIS says to use.
What you refuse to see is that once the conversation has been engaged for a while the right leaning people make the mistake of thinking that the left can remember that our words of hostility are aimed at the radicals.
We also get a little sick of the left trying to leave the impression that McVeigh cancels out a couple hundred Muslim terrorists.
If you actually paid attention to what I say you would know that your dismissal of what I say is grossly inaccurate. You either can't read (which I don't believe to be the case) or you decide in advance what I am going to say and respond to that rather than what I actually say.


And then where do military organizations which specialize in terrorism like ISIS come from? Where have they been coming from, since around 600 AD. Kill one snake and another one arises!

Again and again and again and again, groups just like ISIS have arisen to slaughter all the infidels possible. Currently you have Boko Haram, al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran... And many more. The Quran inspires these groups and there will be no end to them until Islam ends.

What do you want to do, exterminate the 75-90% of Muslims to get the 10-25% of radicals? Keep in mind that in most cases, including today those radicals consider not only us but the other Muslims who don't see things their way as heretics who "deserve" as bad or worse than the mere infidels do.

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/24/2016 4:15:51 PM   
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We stopped the Nazis, didn't play footsie with them or pretend that they were noble. First we have to fight the disinformation campaign, admit the problem, Islam is a violent, radical ideology. Then the disease must be contained and mediated through education and force if and when necessary.

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RE: 'Allahu Akbar' - Melbourne Terrorist Plot Foiled - 12/24/2016 4:20:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

*shakes head*

Left Folks = Terrorism has NOTHING to do with Islam

Why are they helping Islam perpetuate this lie?






Because if the world went to war with Islam it would be a disaster for everyone. The best thing to do is try to neutraluze the religion. That is why Obama won't equate the radicals to Islam. It doesn't help neutralize Islam to do so.

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