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KenDckey -> Civil Forefiture (12/25/2016 8:20:37 AM)

A personal peeve of mine is civil forefiture. I personally never been bitten by it, nor know anyone that has. But here is a solution to this eminse issue.

Take everything from everyone that makes over $50K (or some other number) a year. Take their bank accounts, their homes, their furniture, their jewelry, their investments, take it all. Sell it on e-bay because their income is tied to some illegal transaction someplace. You test enough of their dollars and I am sure you can find drug residue on it, or the company that they work for violated some law someplace, even if it a technical violation of OSHA or something. Take the proceeds and pay off the debt and pad the tresurey with the funds left over.

Sounds extreme, and in fact it is, but consider this. You aren't charging the ndividual. The govt pays off its debt and has a black mark under its bottom line for a change. It will end the pay disparity of tthe country. And will make it fair for all.




stef -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/25/2016 8:36:58 AM)

It's kind of early to be hitting the eggnog this hard, isn't it Ken?




KenDckey -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/25/2016 8:43:17 AM)

Sorry Stef. I don't like eggnog and haven't drank since 1969 when I had to comfort a sick baby covered in his dad's brains and skull in Africa who was killed because he was from another tribe. I got drunk that Christmas Eve and woke up on Jan 26. Enough booze for a lifetime. And yes, I replay that event and the one where I had to tell 4 beautiful children and their mom that Dad was dead on Christmas Day 1984. She already knew because he died in a propane explosion at the home of a cousin and family told sher so the Military made an exception so that she could re4ceive money on December 26. Last year I lost my grandson to sudden death on New Years Eve. I personally don't like the holiday season and relive these evbents throughout.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/25/2016 8:50:17 AM)

That reminds me what happened to Strumpets tax returns....I reckon it to a be a huge hole in the ground, near the Mexican border ,filled with millions of bits of paper, scribbled in his own fair pussy grabbing claw with IOU.s

...see, the world is forgetting about all this. I always have my finger on the throbbing vein - cant find the wenches.

Have you recently received a blow to your noggin of late say by a stray meteor? happens to me all the time that

How about the rich actually pay a fair share of taxes...seems the most logical way to plug the vortex deficit and national debt (they are two different things).

What is a criminal! Lets use the very last news story I quoted on this site

Ah! The nutters charitable foundation slush funds of inequity

Donald Trump vows to shut controversial Trump Foundation
Donald Trump has announced that he plans to shut his charitable foundation, although an investigation into its practices continues.
The US president-elect said he wanted to avoid "even the appearance" of any conflict of interest.
New York's attorney general is looking into suspected "impropriety" at the Foundation, which Mr Trump denies.
The attorney general's office said Mr Trump could not shut the Foundation while the investigation was continuing.

"We have been concerned that the Trump Foundation may have engaged in some impropriety from that point of view," Mr Schneiderman told CNN at the time.
US media say Mr Schneiderman's office has been investigating the Trump Foundation since at least June, when it formally questioned a donation made to a group backing Republican Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi (ah this one) in 2013.
The $25,000 (£20,350, €23,920) payment was made at a time when Mrs Bondi's office was reportedly considering whether to open a fraud investigation into Trump University.
The fraud investigation never happened, although Mrs Bondi denies the decision was influenced by the donation she received.


I myself stole chocolates from a shop when I was 14...mind you I live in my hovel, with my flock of 3 cats and have little.

heh someone remind me again what the financial crash was all about and who paid with hard time and where all the money went


bad typing, typos, half fucked keyboard, ill typing (cfs/me me has) etc most of us understand



Mind you me loves someone threading while hammered out of their there their skill skull - yes of course ive did that. We are every moment of time :)




Musicmystery -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/26/2016 6:12:16 PM)

??? Ken???




DesideriScuri -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/27/2016 5:58:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
A personal peeve of mine is civil forefiture. I personally never been bitten by it, nor know anyone that has. But here is a solution to this eminse issue.
Take everything from everyone that makes over $50K (or some other number) a year. Take their bank accounts, their homes, their furniture, their jewelry, their investments, take it all. Sell it on e-bay because their income is tied to some illegal transaction someplace. You test enough of their dollars and I am sure you can find drug residue on it, or the company that they work for violated some law someplace, even if it a technical violation of OSHA or something. Take the proceeds and pay off the debt and pad the tresurey with the funds left over.
Sounds extreme, and in fact it is, but consider this. You aren't charging the ndividual. The govt pays off its debt and has a black mark under its bottom line for a change. It will end the pay disparity of tthe country. And will make it fair for all.


How would massive civil forfeiture solve the issue of civil forfeiture?!?




Marini -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/27/2016 6:41:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

A personal peeve of mine is civil forefiture. I personally never been bitten by it, nor know anyone that has. But here is a solution to this eminse issue.

Take everything from everyone that makes over $50K (or some other number) a year. Take their bank accounts, their homes, their furniture, their jewelry, their investments, take it all. Sell it on e-bay because their income is tied to some illegal transaction someplace. You test enough of their dollars and I am sure you can find drug residue on it, or the company that they work for violated some law someplace, even if it a technical violation of OSHA or something. Take the proceeds and pay off the debt and pad the tresurey with the funds left over.

Sounds extreme, and in fact it is, but consider this. You aren't charging the ndividual. The govt pays off its debt and has a black mark under its bottom line for a change. It will end the pay disparity of tthe country. And will make it fair for all.


Okay Ken, let's play.
Do you think $50,000 THESE days is a lot of money?

Let's take EVERYONE'S assets that makes over $5,000 a year!
Let's take YOUR assets first.
weeeeeeeeeeeeee




Musicmystery -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/27/2016 11:39:19 AM)

Yeah, I'm not following wherever he's going here.




stef -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/27/2016 12:00:43 PM)

I don't think Ken is following it either. That was off the wall, even for him.




Musicmystery -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/27/2016 12:28:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Sorry Stef. I don't like eggnog and haven't drank since 1969 when I had to comfort a sick baby covered in his dad's brains and skull in Africa who was killed because he was from another tribe. I got drunk that Christmas Eve and woke up on Jan 26. Enough booze for a lifetime. And yes, I replay that event and the one where I had to tell 4 beautiful children and their mom that Dad was dead on Christmas Day 1984. She already knew because he died in a propane explosion at the home of a cousin and family told sher so the Military made an exception so that she could re4ceive money on December 26. Last year I lost my grandson to sudden death on New Years Eve. I personally don't like the holiday season and relive these evbents throughout.

Sorry to hear, Ken.

But can you clarify your OP?




KenDckey -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/27/2016 4:47:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
A personal peeve of mine is civil forefiture. I personally never been bitten by it, nor know anyone that has. But here is a solution to this eminse issue.
Take everything from everyone that makes over $50K (or some other number) a year. Take their bank accounts, their homes, their furniture, their jewelry, their investments, take it all. Sell it on e-bay because their income is tied to some illegal transaction someplace. You test enough of their dollars and I am sure you can find drug residue on it, or the company that they work for violated some law someplace, even if it a technical violation of OSHA or something. Take the proceeds and pay off the debt and pad the tresurey with the funds left over.
Sounds extreme, and in fact it is, but consider this. You aren't charging the ndividual. The govt pays off its debt and has a black mark under its bottom line for a change. It will end the pay disparity of tthe country. And will make it fair for all.


How would massive civil forfeiture solve the issue of civil forfeiture?!?

I learned a long time ago in the Army when the base commander passed a stupid regulation thatt it didn't last long.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

A personal peeve of mine is civil forefiture. I personally never been bitten by it, nor know anyone that has. But here is a solution to this eminse issue.

Take everything from everyone that makes over $50K (or some other number) a year. Take their bank accounts, their homes, their furniture, their jewelry, their investments, take it all. Sell it on e-bay because their income is tied to some illegal transaction someplace. You test enough of their dollars and I am sure you can find drug residue on it, or the company that they work for violated some law someplace, even if it a technical violation of OSHA or something. Take the proceeds and pay off the debt and pad the tresurey with the funds left over.

Sounds extreme, and in fact it is, but consider this. You aren't charging the ndividual. The govt pays off its debt and has a black mark under its bottom line for a change. It will end the pay disparity of tthe country. And will make it fair for all.



Okay Ken, let's play.
Do you think $50,000 THESE days is a lot of money?

Let's take EVERYONE'S assets that makes over $5,000 a year!
Let's take YOUR assets first.
weeeeeeeeeeeeee


Yes More than I make by about $15,000. Please note I did specify that you could pick your own number.



For Clarification: The govt can take your money and property because it is suspected of a crime. To get it back you must prove that your money or property is innocent. That is what civil forefiture is. It was created to fight drug dealers mostly but has gone way beyond that since. Since I believe tat most folding money has drug residue on it in minute traces, the money is tained and involved in the drug trade. Since you spend your money on stuff (not otherwise specified) your money is tied to your other assets. The more you spend the greater the crime because the money passed thru your hands on the way to whomever you gave it to for wahtever purpose. Since to get your moeny back your responsibility is to prove your money is innocent you have to hire a lawyer go to court and sue the govt. This entire time you were not connected to a crime, arrested, convicted, etc. Just your money/property. Since the arbityrary number establishes a level of crime, you know sorta like the difference between a felonyy and misdemeanor, then the govt can take your property, wait the apprpopriate amount of time to use/sell it and pay off the debt and/or purchase M109's and M1A1's for the police.




MrRodgers -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/27/2016 5:16:31 PM)

Yes, we know about civil forfeiture laws and they represent how easily the federal court right wing as well as any, can be activist and/or persuaded to totally abandon the constitutional provision against the govt. taking/seizing property...without due process.

Thus the constitution and you if you are such a target, become collateral damage in the...war on drugs.




KenDckey -> RE: Civil Forefiture (12/27/2016 5:25:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Yes, we know about civil forfeiture laws and they represent how easily the federal court right wing as well as any, can be activist and/or persuaded to totally abandon the constitutional provision against the govt. taking/seizing property...without due process.

Thus the constitution and you if you are such a target, become collateral damage in the...war on drugs.


I totally agree with you. That is the reason it is my pet peeve. No I have never been a target, nor any of my family that I am aware of. Overenforcement to the point of rediculousness is the method to force Congress to act. Course if it were me, I'd start with congress, for the first targets of that enforcement, but it doesn't really matter.




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