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bounty44 -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 4:25:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka If the women aren't happy... ain't nobody going to be happy... just sayin'. this really only applies in situations where there is equality between the genders, or men care what women think. and again, someones going to have to make the case between that, and terrorism.

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 5:45:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 theres that, but also, im failing to see the essential link (that is, the evidence) between the nonetheless important issues of women's lives that got quoted above, and national security. Vincent, id be happy to be enlightened; the article doesn't quite do it for me. Helping to make the world more politically tranquil is in our national security interest, don't you think? Especially since we are globally linked to resources and markets. to an extent, sure, but someones going to have to make the case that women's rights in countries that sponsor terrorism have a meaningful result on politically tranquility. and then theyre going to have to make the subsequent case as to how that politically tranquility leads to less terrorism. Bounty, the opinion piece claims a decade of research in support of the thesis. International diplomacy often requires subtle and long term strategies. The UAE is an example of progress and tranquility

Lucylastic -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 5:49:53 AM)
there are thousands of links to the womens rights as national security issues. That no one is researching how it works, is just more proof of their ignorance.

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 6:05:48 AM)
ORIGINAL: BoscoX ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Thats like putting a band aid on a suicide blast. School girls will still be hit with roadside bombs as punishment for going to school and Muslim women will still be enslaved in the religion of pieces That may very well be true but fear of impending violence should not deter the free nations from trying to alter the course of events. quote: What are the guarantees that the funds will be used as they're said to be used. In the old days we would send in some Catholic soldiers with some medieval torture devices and forcibly convert their Allahu Akbar asses over to sweet baby Jesus There are no guarantees in the world and the old days are long gone. quote: Containment comes first, they don't admit non-Muslims in most of the places Muslims control, why the FUCK do we admit them This has nothing to do with the point made in the OP. quote: Then yes, reeducation. But why on womens issues alone, that would be like trying to drain the ocean with a bucket brigade. We have to convince them somehow to quit all of the backwards primitive evil that their book teaches and finally join us in the current century Women's oppression is the most salient symptom of fundamentalist Islam. You go with what is at hand. How else would you "convince them somehow . . .? "

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 6:08:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 theres that, but also, im failing to see the essential link (that is, the evidence) between the nonetheless important issues of women's lives that got quoted above, and national security. Vincent, id be happy to be enlightened; the article doesn't quite do it for me. There is no link. He's a nutcase. Little man, I hope you feel better making your godly proclamation while contributing naught but your ignorance to the conversation.

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 6:12:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'd agree that women's rights are an important national issue. But a national security issue? Seems a weak argument. Well, subtle perhaps, but nothing should be eliminated from the diplomatic quiver unless it proves harmful or counter productive. We have a long history of diplomacy through international aid, so this is nothing new, although maybe a little difficult for macho warriors on the Right to understand. Not referring to you with that remark.

BoscoX -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 6:22:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Women's oppression is the most salient symptom of fundamentalist Islam. On the heels of uncounted highly notorious massacres... And it is not "fundamentalists" Their bloodthirsty god demands they all do it

Lucylastic -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 6:34:08 AM)
Its amazing women survive anywhere but america really isnt it[8\|]

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 7:11:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Women's oppression is the most salient symptom of fundamentalist Islam. On the heels of uncounted highly notorious massacres... And it is not "fundamentalists" Their bloodthirsty god demands they all do it They worship the god of Abraham, don't they? All god's chillun can't get along.

Awareness -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 7:16:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 theres that, but also, im failing to see the essential link (that is, the evidence) between the nonetheless important issues of women's lives that got quoted above, and national security. Vincent, id be happy to be enlightened; the article doesn't quite do it for me. There is no link. He's a nutcase. Little man, I hope you feel better making your godly proclamation while contributing naught but your ignorance to the conversation. There is no conversation. Conversation is a dialogue at the very least. This is you asserting nonsense then reacting with monumental butthurt when people point out the idiocy of your claims. Women are an over-privileged group in Western society. It's about time they were treated like adults and held responsible for their actions. You want to kiss their ass because you're a weak little mommy's boy lacking masculinity. You're too stupid to understand that strong men aren't interested in your pseudo-cause.

BoscoX -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 7:45:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML They worship the god of Abraham, don't they? All god's chillun can't get along. In a very primitive sort of way, Islam is similar to other much older religions in that they stole much of their doctrine from them. They alone are responsible for the blood they let however, much as you feel you need to assign responsibility elsewhere

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 9:53:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 theres that, but also, im failing to see the essential link (that is, the evidence) between the nonetheless important issues of women's lives that got quoted above, and national security. Vincent, id be happy to be enlightened; the article doesn't quite do it for me. There is no link. He's a nutcase. Little man, I hope you feel better making your godly proclamation while contributing naught but your ignorance to the conversation. There is no conversation. Conversation is a dialogue at the very least. This is you asserting nonsense then reacting with monumental butthurt when people point out the idiocy of your claims. Women are an over-privileged group in Western society. It's about time they were treated like adults and held responsible for their actions. You want to kiss their ass because you're a weak little mommy's boy lacking masculinity. You're too stupid to understand that strong men aren't interested in your pseudo-cause. Little man, there would be a discussion if you had something meaningful to contribute other than trying to demean other posters for the benefit of your own insecure ego-stroking. The OP is not about over-privileged women in western society. Never a mention of them. Just your own male-privileged misperception. You are really flailing about badly today, m'boy.

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 9:54:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML They worship the god of Abraham, don't they? All god's chillun can't get along. In a very primitive sort of way, Islam is similar to other much older religions in that they stole much of their doctrine from them. They alone are responsible for the blood they let however, much as you feel you need to assign responsibility elsewhere Right [8\|] What would those older religions be?

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 10:00:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka If the women aren't happy... ain't nobody going to be happy... just sayin'. this really only applies in situations where there is equality between the genders, or men care what women think. and again, someones going to have to make the case between that, and terrorism. Bounty, international relations, even individual relations, are not hard science. You cannot really apply the scientific method. Lyndon Johnson went to war over ghost ships in the Tonkin Gulf. As for trying to influence troubling societies perhaps it is necessary to till the soil and spread some manure in order to bring in a desired crop.

BoscoX -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 10:08:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML They worship the god of Abraham, don't they? All god's chillun can't get along. In a very primitive sort of way, Islam is similar to other much older religions in that they stole much of their doctrine from them. They alone are responsible for the blood they let however, much as you feel you need to assign responsibility elsewhere Right [8\|] What would those older religions be? You are a joke. How old do you think Islam is

tamaka -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 10:11:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Its amazing women survive anywhere but america really isnt it[8\|] Women are more resilient then men.

Lucylastic -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 10:13:53 AM)
You have a good point there....

tamaka -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 10:14:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka If the women aren't happy... ain't nobody going to be happy... just sayin'. this really only applies in situations where there is equality between the genders, or men care what women think. and again, someones going to have to make the case between that, and terrorism. Bounty, international relations, even individual relations, are not hard science. You cannot really apply the scientific method. Lyndon Johnson went to war over ghost ships in the Tonkin Gulf. As for trying to influence troubling societies perhaps it is necessary to till the soil and spread some manure in order to bring in a desired crop. Are you saying women bring manure to the table? ; )

tamaka -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 10:25:42 AM)
Women's brains are wired differently. Men tend to think in boxes and they compartmentalize things. Women think more broadly and we tend to see/find connections that men wouldn't even identify much less consider, and those subtle influences, if acknowledged and addressed, can make the difference between long- term success or failure. So in that respect, i can definitely see the advantage to having women at the table.

vincentML -> RE: Women’s Rights Are a National Security Issue ~ NY Times (12/27/2016 11:03:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML They worship the god of Abraham, don't they? All god's chillun can't get along. In a very primitive sort of way, Islam is similar to other much older religions in that they stole much of their doctrine from them. They alone are responsible for the blood they let however, much as you feel you need to assign responsibility elsewhere Right [8\|] What would those older religions be? You are a joke. How old do you think Islam is Seventh Century CE. Again, which older religions are you referring to? I'll wait . . . . [sm=modxiiswatching.gif]

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