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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Actually, it's not. Taoists and Buddhists have no religious issue with lying to people (which is a part of some of the manipulative headgames that are popular in some flavours of Buddhism), and it's worth googling "mental reservation" and how that's applied by the Jesuits (though that technically reserves the right to lie with impunity to the Society of Jesus and its offshoots).

Actually, you should come visit our display of our 10 levels of hell in Buddhism/Taoism after-life. Since all of us go to hell. And there is no way we won't be punished for lying! But Muslims won't be punished. There lies the difference. Our punishments are brutal. Buddhism is more about do whatever you want. You are getting tortured in your after life anyway. And reincarnate into more sufferings IF you do bad in this life. So anyway, it is actually the most sensible religion to explain inequality, why someone people are so lucky and some people just keep suffering and get bad things happen to them.

First Court of Hell
Crime: Violating the code of filial piety
Punishment: Put under heavy slabs and boulders or squeezed in the middle of the grinder

Second Court of Hell
Crime: Gossiping, Stealing, Wickedness
Punishment: Having your tongue pierced, Made to kneel on steel granules, Boiled in a cauldron, disemboweled, and put in a volcanic chamber

Third Court of Hell
Crime : Corruption and greed, Disobedience and disrespect to elders, Violating and state a Confucian principles or being an unjust official

Punishment : Handcuffed and beaten, Have your ribs pierced, body grilled, your lungs, heart, liver, intestines and eyes torn out, Have your heart removed, knees crushed and face scraped by a mental instrument

Fourth Court of Hell
Crime : General Sins, Cheating or evading income taxes, Stealing, Breaking promises
Punishment : Hurled into a torrential river, made to kneel on bamboo spikes, boiled in oil, head struck open,
Drowned under a heavy stone ,Have your hands swan off, have your lips split

Fifth Court of Hell
Crime : Cruelty to animals and friends
Punishment :Have your heart torn out with hooks or thrown onto protruding swords

In this Sixth Court of Hell, those who have already been punished but are still unrepentant, are punished further. This includes all crimes against any deity or Buddha or breaking any Buddhist or Confucian laws.

Sixth Court of Hell
Crime : Stealing from temples committing blasphemy , Killing animals
Punishment : Made to kneel on iron nails, swanned in two, gnawed by rats,Have your body chopped in half

Seventh Court of Hell
Crime : Rebelling against authorities , Spreading false rumors , Using drugs, causing quarrels
Punishment : Torn apart by dogs, Have your tongue pulled out , Thrown into a pot of boiling water

Eighth Court of Hell
Crime : Committing crimes against Confucianism and operating houses for immoral purposes
Punishment : Crushed under carriage wheels, sliced, disemboweled, struck by lighting, and having tongues, arms and legs cut off

Ninth Court of Hell
Crime : Smuggling, committing arson , Writing or painting erotic literature or scenes
Punishment :Attacked by snakes, stung by bees, tortured or trafficking drugs in boiling oil
Flattened between two planks, have your head crushed in an iron ring, skull steamed, bones scraped and tendons pulled out

In the Tenth Court of Hell, the President passes his final judgment and the sinner goes through one of the seven-ways in the Wheel of Reincarnation. Shaped like a wheel, wind and clouds billow out from the circle in the centre and the six other circles surrounding it. Depending on the sinner's past life, he will enter a particular way which will determine how he or she will be reborn.

http://shijieisunstoppable.blogspot.sg/2011/08/chinese-10-courts-of-hell.html

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Breaking promises, Spreading false rumors, Corruption

All those are lying. They just break down lying into more specific things.
But whatever Muslims can do with no consequences, Buddhists are definitely getting punished for it.
On top of that, don't forget about the final punishment of the next life with will still look at all your crimes that you weren't punished for in the ten levels of hell. Buddhism is not forgetting a single crime you have committed. You are so getting punished for everything!

Anyway, I grew up on Buddhism, but Buddhism in Chinese culture may be different from Buddhism in India for example. I don't know what they believe in India. But this is our version. Lying is definitely not okay! Like seriously, reincarnation punishment won't spare you from it.
And I believe there are no exceptions that help you escape punishments.

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In Buddhism, being truthful goes beyond simply not telling lies. It means speaking truthfully and honestly, yes. But it also means using speech to benefit others, and not to use it to benefit only ourselves.

In Theravada Buddhism, there are four elements to a violation of the Fourth Precept:

1)A situation or state of affairs that is untrue; something to lie about
2)An intention to deceive
3)The expression of a falsehood, either with words, gestures, or "body language"
4)Conveying a false impression

http://buddhism.about.com/od/theprecepts/a/The-Fourth-Buddhist-Precept.htm

I am pretty sure those Buddhist Monks who lied to their students are going to be punished for sure and ain't reaching enlightenment. It's unthinkable!

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Fair enough. How does Therevada regard the matter of white lies? If speech should be used to benefit others, is a beneficial deceit inherently unacceptable because of the fourth precept?

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It ain't that simple. ost of these countries don't want them. Plus the own farms n shit in their own country, why should they have to leave ?

T^T

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What you obviously do not know: The holy sites are in immediate vicinity of each other. The West Wall forms part of the basis of Al-Aqsa. Jews were not permitted to the Wall before 1967, and no Israeli government will submit the access to any other authority again.

You mean after the Arabs tried - again - to invade Israel and had their asses handed to them, the Jews decided to tell the Arabs to go fuck themselves. How very surprising.

Apologists for Islamic terrorism like yourself are truly despicable liars.

Oh, what you declare all lies:
Eastern Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967 was part of what country's administration? Jordan. Fact.

Ignorance of basic historical facts is hardly amusing. Painting black and white is the way of simpletons.

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Here one of the great lies of the conflict is being recirculated by apologists for Zionist ethnic cleansing and apartheid.

The overwhelming majority of the c750,000 Palestinians who fled their homes did so before the establishment of Israel. They fled during the period 1947-8, as a direct consequence of systematic ethnic cleansing and massacres carried out by the Haganah, and other Zionist paramilitaries. As they fled before the establishment of Israel in late 1948, it is impossible for them to have fled "to make way for the conquering armies of their brethren" as you falsely claim. There was no Israel in existence for the Arab armies to invade when the Palestinians were expelled.

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For a complete account of this program of systematic ethnic cleansing and massacres, see Israeli historian Ilan Pappe's 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". It is worth adding that the facts as I have laid them out above are no longer in dispute at an academic level among Israeli historians of the period. The evidence is so overwhelming it is indisputable. The only aspect that is in dispute among Israeli historians is whether the establishment of a Jewish State justified the wholesale ethnic cleansing and massacres that preceded and accompanied Israel's establishment, and that continue through to today.

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Likening my debate to the "methods" of Islamic apologists is

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Earlier you advanced without naming it, the Rhineland Hypothesis, that the Jews fled the Muslims attacks of the 8th Century and settled in Germany. The Israeli government has been turning backflips in trying to connect Ashkenazi Jews to the Kingdom of David to give legitimacy to the hostile appropriation of Arab lands. The Rhineland Hypothesis is challenged by recent genetic data. It seems the Ashkenazi are descendant from Mediterranean women (read Roman or Italian) who converted to Judaism around 2000 years ago. Well before the rise of the "Islamic hoards" you conjure in your simplistic tale of history.

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It would be nice if you treated other posters with respect

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It is well worth asking the question; "Why is Israel building the settlements on land that is earmarked for a future Palestinian State?"

According to the settlers themselves, the primary goal of the settlement movement is the prevention of any Palestinian State. The 'settlements"/colonies are located strategically in order make any kind of contiguous Palestinian State an impossibility. Indeed building the settlements/colonies makes no sense unless it is being done on a permanent basis. Netanyahoo has made it very clear he hasn't the slightest intention of handing even a single settlement over to a future Palestinian State.

As this Israeli Govt has by its actions and choices over the years told the world that settlement/colony consolidation and expansion is more important to it than participation in the peace process, it seems impossible to avoid the conclusion that this goal - the prevention of any Palestinian State - is also the covert goal of Israeli policy.

So in the end the reason why the settlements/colonies are so reprehensible (aside from the fact that they constitute war crimes) is that they are incompatible with peace, they make peace between Palestinians and Israelis impossible. This is why it is so vital for the world to send Israel an uncompromising message that further colonisation of Palestine must cease immediately.

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It is well worth asking the question; "Why is Israel building the settlements on land that is earmarked for a future Palestinian State?"

According to the settlers themselves, the primary goal of the settlement movement is the prevention of any Palestinian State. The 'settlements"/colonies are located strategically in order make any kind of contiguous Palestinian State an impossibility. Indeed building the settlements/colonies makes no sense unless it is being done on a permanent basis. Netanyahoo has made it very clear he hasn't the slightest intention of handing even a single settlement over to a future Palestinian State.

As this Israeli Govt has by its actions and choices over the years told the world that settlement/colony consolidation and expansion is more important to it than participation in the peace process, it seems impossible to avoid the conclusion that this goal - the prevention of any Palestinian State - is also the covert goal of Israeli policy.

So in the end the reason why the settlements/colonies are so reprehensible (aside from the fact that they constitute war crimes) is that they are incompatible with peace, they make peace between Palestinians and Israelis impossible. This is why it is so vital for the world to send Israel an uncompromising message that further colonisation of Palestine must cease immediately.

I don't think you could possibly understand what it's like for Jews to live with the constant threat of extermination by Arabs.

Because make no mistake, that is exactly the goal the Arabs are seeking. It's one of the founding principles of the PLO and it underlies every single anti-Israeli move made by the Arabs. Israel wants to survive. Arabs want to murder Jews. All of them. It's the hate they teach in their schools. The Arabs teach Jew hatred to their children - that's how fucked up they are.

Christ, if it was me, I would've nuked one of the motherfuckers before now and told the rest to back off. Israel is a state fighting constantly for its survival and the way people like you try and make them out to be Nazis is an appalling level of support for Islamic terrorism.

The Arabs want to murder every last Jew. They are not interested in peaceful coexistence. And should they succeed, they won't stop there. Islam is fundamentally imperialistic. They're coming for all of us - if you haven't worked that out by now then you're a sorry excuse for a human being.

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It is well worth asking the question; "Why is Israel building the settlements on land that is earmarked for a future Palestinian State?"

According to the settlers themselves, the primary goal of the settlement movement is the prevention of any Palestinian State. The 'settlements"/colonies are located strategically in order make any kind of contiguous Palestinian State an impossibility. Indeed building the settlements/colonies makes no sense unless it is being done on a permanent basis. Netanyahoo has made it very clear he hasn't the slightest intention of handing even a single settlement over to a future Palestinian State.

As this Israeli Govt has by its actions and choices over the years told the world that settlement/colony consolidation and expansion is more important to it than participation in the peace process, it seems impossible to avoid the conclusion that this goal - the prevention of any Palestinian State - is also the covert goal of Israeli policy.

So in the end the reason why the settlements/colonies are so reprehensible (aside from the fact that they constitute war crimes) is that they are incompatible with peace, they make peace between Palestinians and Israelis impossible. This is why it is so vital for the world to send Israel an uncompromising message that further colonisation of Palestine must cease immediately.

I don't think you could possibly understand what it's like for Jews to live with the constant threat of extermination by Arabs.

Because make no mistake, that is exactly the goal the Arabs are seeking. It's one of the founding principles of the PLO and it underlies every single anti-Israeli move made by the Arabs. Israel wants to survive. Arabs want to murder Jews. All of them. It's the hate they teach in their schools. The Arabs teach Jew hatred to their children - that's how fucked up they are.

Christ, if it was me, I would've nuked one of the motherfuckers before now and told the rest to back off. Israel is a state fighting constantly for its survival and the way people like you try and make them out to be Nazis is an appalling level of support for Islamic terrorism.

The Arabs want to murder every last Jew. They are not interested in peaceful coexistence. And should they succeed, they won't stop there. Islam is fundamentally imperialistic. They're coming for all of us - if you haven't worked that out by now then you're a sorry excuse for a human being.

Yeah well try living without a bunch of what the west considers basic needs, and wants to give to the Palestinians but the Israelis woun;'t let it in to the "occupied territories". Try living like that. I would love to buy you a plane ticket there and let you roost for a few months without toilet paper, or shit, even toilets, or water. To be a farmer and have a wall that only opens a couple hours a day between your house and your farmland, which is you existence.

To not have weapons to put down assholes who shoot bottle rockets over the fence and make a mess of some Jew's swimming pool and then have them come in and kill 3,000 of your people over it, even though not one of them was killed.

You go fucking live like that and let's see how long you are willing to put up with it.

Yup, asshole is the designation.

T^T

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Your belief doesn't make sense in its own context -- if 1/5 of the world is coming for us, they must be extraordinarily bad at it, because they aren't making much progress given their numbers.

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There are some very angry Arabs. And some very angry Jews. And some cause on both sides.

It's not an inherent trait, however. I get to meet people from all over the world, including the ME, and at least these people by and large want peace, to be left alone to live their lives. I've met a single exception, a very angry hating-everything Pakistani student.

Nor is Islam fundamentally imperialistic except in the same sense that Christendom is (by definition) imperialistic -- a relic of the Middle Ages. We've moved on, centuries ago.

Your belief doesn't make sense in its own context -- if 1/5 of the world is coming for us, they must be extraordinarily bad at it, because they aren't making much progress given their numbers.