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Lucylastic -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 7:07:21 AM)

yeah my old fart has an android, he cant stand iphones. he will be 71 in feb, but my mum used her iphone until she broke her hip in september, she is nearly 83, but not interested in new shit she has to learn every time theres an update.
And she grumbles about the wifi.
I wouldnt touch alexa with a barge pole.
but thats personal choice...





DocStrange -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 7:32:47 AM)

My father is in his mid 80's. My brother and I have team viewer set up on my Dad's computer so either one of us can easily connect remotely resolve most problems. Nice part about team viewer is Dad can watch what we are doing.

I can see Alexa or other AI's causing some embarrassing moments at home. I can see Alexa saying your new rubber bondage outfit has just shipped while having company over. That might be a little hard to explain. LOL




sloguy02246 -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 7:34:56 AM)

Most probably because these companies' target market are the folks under 35 or 40; the ones who can't wait to get the latest phone - or game system - or see the latest Star Wars movie - or, well.. I think you get the picture.

Older folks are not that big a market factor for new technology or entertainment.
The commercials aimed at us are for knee braces, portable oxygen units, smooth catheters, Depends diapers, Medicare supplement insurance plans, canes, scooters, and walk-in tubs.




DocStrange -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 12:41:17 PM)

What Google needs to do is hook your catheter up to you smart phone so you know how many times you have pissed and how much you have pissed each day! They are totally missing the mark here. LOL!




Wayward5oul -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 1:46:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DocStrange

My father is in his mid 80's. My brother and I have team viewer set up on my Dad's computer so either one of us can easily connect remotely resolve most problems. Nice part about team viewer is Dad can watch what we are doing.

I can see Alexa or other AI's causing some embarrassing moments at home. I can see Alexa saying your new rubber bondage outfit has just shipped while having company over. That might be a little hard to explain. LOL

...opens up Amazon site to remove Alexa off wish list...




tamaka -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 2:26:50 PM)

No don't... it's great... just tell it what music you want and she plays it. It's pretty awesome!




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 2:40:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

No don't... it's great... just tell it what music you want and she plays it. It's pretty awesome!

yeah, but i don't want to hear NIN every time I yell "Fuck me like an animal!"




tamaka -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 2:48:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

No don't... it's great... just tell it what music you want and she plays it. It's pretty awesome!

yeah, but i don't want to hear NIN every time I yell "Fuck me like an animal!"


Lol... : ) thanks... i have to wait a week to see Master and now i've got that stuck in my head... and elsewhere... : /




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 2:54:48 PM)

You're welcome. Do me a favour, when he does get back, test it out, see if Alexa does play Closer when you say that. [:D]




tamaka -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 2:56:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

You're welcome. Do me a favour, when he does get back, test it out, see if Alexa does play Closer when you say that. [:D]


Absolutely... i will!!!! : )




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 3:06:39 PM)

thanks babe, you're a doll.




tamaka -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 3:15:56 PM)

: ) meanie!!!





Wayward5oul -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 9:37:28 PM)

Anything is possible...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-echo-key-witness-murder-170000286.html

Amazon has spent Christmas plugging the heck out of the Echo. And to be fair, the speaker, which is connected to your Amazon account and recognizes your voice, can be incredibly useful provided you don’t put it near a Google Home. But it turns out the always-on nature of the device means it’s about to wind up on the witness stand.

Police in Bentonville, AR, recently issued a warrant to Amazon over the murder case of Victor Collins. Specifically, they were looking for any data that the Echo recorded during that time, including audio, and are pairing that data with other information from the home of Collins’ alleged murderer to assemble a timeline of events and prove the state’s case. The question, of course, is whether the suspect’s own gadgets can be ordered to rat him out, something his attorney is fighting vigorously.




Edwird -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 10:24:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
You've never seen an old fart of a boomer with an iphone, then?


They only have 'smart phones' because someone bought it for them or told them that's what they were supposed to buy. My step mom had one for a few months and it drove her buggers. Both parents have simple cell phones now and are glad to have them.

In any case it's not so much about the device per se but the -utility- obtaining therefrom. My folks obviously have no issue with the computer or the internet as such, but the utility to them has been declining steadily, as laid out in my first posts. It's not the providers' fault my dad only has one working eye left (that one half blind though it is) but it's not his or my step mom's fault these providers keep changing procedure or protocol (and 'losing' passwords) to accomplish the most basic things, or changing the look or the format/layout so one has look where the fuck they put it now.






Lucylastic -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 10:35:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: DocStrange

My father is in his mid 80's. My brother and I have team viewer set up on my Dad's computer so either one of us can easily connect remotely resolve most problems. Nice part about team viewer is Dad can watch what we are doing.

I can see Alexa or other AI's causing some embarrassing moments at home. I can see Alexa saying your new rubber bondage outfit has just shipped while having company over. That might be a little hard to explain. LOL

...opens up Amazon site to remove Alexa off wish list...

There was an interesting article in the wa po this morning about an accident turned murder investigation, trying to get alexa info from amazon because it could have recorded the final /seconds minutes of his life and give a clue to the killer...

interesting details on what alexa can do....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/12/28/can-alexa-help-solve-a-murder-police-think-so-but-amazon-wont-give-up-her-data/?utm_term=.520d74636e50
Oh and from arstechnica
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/police-ask-alexa-did-you-witness-a-murder/




Lucylastic -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/28/2016 10:36:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Anything is possible...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-echo-key-witness-murder-170000286.html

Amazon has spent Christmas plugging the heck out of the Echo. And to be fair, the speaker, which is connected to your Amazon account and recognizes your voice, can be incredibly useful provided you don’t put it near a Google Home. But it turns out the always-on nature of the device means it’s about to wind up on the witness stand.

Police in Bentonville, AR, recently issued a warrant to Amazon over the murder case of Victor Collins. Specifically, they were looking for any data that the Echo recorded during that time, including audio, and are pairing that data with other information from the home of Collins’ alleged murderer to assemble a timeline of events and prove the state’s case. The question, of course, is whether the suspect’s own gadgets can be ordered to rat him out, something his attorney is fighting vigorously.


thats what I get for not reading all the way thru the thread before responding:)





jlf1961 -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/29/2016 10:05:32 AM)

Would not the question be "Why does Microsoft, Google, etc absolutely despise old people?"

However, considering the accessibility functions built into the latest Windows and Android operating systems (not to mention that fucking talking 'helper' in Windows 10) I think that they are actually gearing a lot of products with older people in mind.

However, that being said, I am personally beginning to believe that the Windows development team are hell bent on driving computer geek types completely insane.

Consider every trick we have learned over the years to get the various windows operating systems operating the way we want are no longer applicable in windows 10.

Furthermore, windows still has some serious issues recognizing a primary drive with a capacity over 1.7 tb, and when you finally do get it working, you find you have over 250 gb as "unallocated space" and windows refuses to let you do anything with it.

I have found it would be easier to load linux, a windows shell, and write separate config files for every windows program I want to run than deal with some of the 'quirks' in any of the windows operating systems.

What is worse, and by his own admission, the evil financial tyrant Gates, freely admits that his original concept for a GUI operating system was quite a bit more simple and easier to work with than what we now deal with.

He also admits that the windows operating system is a direct result of intense market research in which it was determined that the general consumer would not 1) appreciate a simplified operating system, and (more surprisingly) 2) not trust one.

It seems that the general public associates 'problems' with the 'higher quality' of new technology.

Where techs and engineers appreciate the "Keep It Simple Stupid" approach to achieving a desired result, the rest of the world wants it to be complicated to the point of insanity.

So it is not Microsoft, Google etc that hates people, it is the consumers that hate themselves.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/29/2016 12:21:38 PM)

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So it is not Microsoft, Google etc that hates people, it is the consumers that hate themselves.

Hmmm, so Jim Morrison was right after all.... people are strange




Edwird -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/30/2016 6:22:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Would not the question be "Why does Microsoft, Google, etc absolutely despise old people?"


The title is "Why do microsoft, google, ect, ... " because in the English I was taught, the plural verb case is 'do,' the singular verb is 'does.' ("Why do they," not "Why does they.") And yes, the uncapped names were intentional. None of these companies deserve anything close to respect for the way they treat anybody, much less senior citizens.

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However, considering the accessibility functions built into the latest Windows and Android operating systems (not to mention that fucking talking 'helper' in Windows 10) I think that they are actually gearing a lot of products with older people in mind.


Making 80+ yr. olds go through a process they can't get through in the first place to figure out how to deal with otherwise entire processes targeted to 15-25 yr. olds is not something everyone would consider as putting forth their best effort in that regard. Just my estimation.

There are still 80yr. olds who have no need at all for accessibility functions, they are just wondering WTF happened to their email or their browser.

I can assure you, just like almost anything else in the consumer sector, self-awareness of whom these companies aspire to target vs. even the most basic understanding of the target itself are worlds apart, thanks to their unfathomably clueless efforts regarding the latter being ultimately trampled in any case by the former. If you've read two 'consumer surveys,' you would realize that marketing is all about targeting and nothing to do with what people actually want.

In any case, I finally figured out how to push Cortana out of my parents' (and my own) life by not only 'turning it off' and then eliminating it from start up programs (but it's still there in 'services' if you look in Task Manager), by going into Windows Firewall 'rules' and at least preventing the stupid thing from uploading or downloading anything, which was microsofts' W 10 marketing malware ('marketingware), as exists everywhere, not to single them out.

"Marketing" has existed for eons before cybermarketing ever came along, why don't people get what's going on, here? Just like mailers and telemarketing, they're just targeting, they don't care how many people they piss off in the process. But the newer the technology, the more people they can inconvenience in the process, and the reach and magnitude of that inconvenience increases exponentially. The race since cyber world is to make that reach and magnitude of inconvenience as unavoidable as possible. Hence the reach into operating systems, to not just allow but to enhance that process.

But we could tell the old folks to just get Linux, delve into how to use a proxy, use VPN, ... and their browser look and email access would always be the same, right? I can't tell you how many 80 yr. olds would be overjoyed by this modality.

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Consider every trick we have learned over the years to get the various windows operating systems operating the way we want are no longer applicable in windows 10.


Now you're starting to get it. Self determination interferes greatly with aspirations of marketing, and value to marketing is the ONLY selling point (only method of monetization) of consumer tech companies and social media companies. The modern operating system is now a 'consumer operating system' and is geared to that(marketing)- good luck with the rest of it.

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Where techs and engineers appreciate the "Keep It Simple Stupid" approach to achieving a desired result, the rest of the world wants it to be complicated to the point of insanity.
So it is not Microsoft, Google etc that hates people, it is the consumers that hate themselves.


Right.

All 12 yr. olds and all 82 yr. olds just want the same thing from high tech, as evidenced by the great disparity in choice of which predominant device or for which purpose, but they keep shooting themselves in the foot even all just wanting the same thing. Got it.

Read above.

It's not 80 yr. olds and certainly not teenagers who are the problem, here. Don't blame teenagers and 20-30 yr. old game players for increasing inaccessibility to people who have no use for any of that to even get to their email with out changing the process every two years and requisite Russian interrogation and revisited phishing expedition by mental diarrhea cybermarketting fuckbrains. The latter who most obviously have not only taken over the internet, but seemingly any and every enterprise technology associated with it.






Edwird -> RE: Why do microsoft, google, etc, absolutely despise old people? (12/30/2016 7:05:16 PM)


Bill Hicks died 10-15 years before the onslaught of cyberhypermarketing. If you think he was being 'prescient,' you are missing the point entirely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7G_P8psD78







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