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Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 6:43:38 PM

tamaka

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In case you were planning on moving... or wonder what your homeland might be like in the future...

http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm

This study shows us that non-Muslims are not regarded as citizens by any Islamic state, even if they are original natives of the land. To say otherwise is to conceal the truth. Justice and equality require that any Christian Pakistani, Melanesian, Turk, or Arab be treated as any other citizen of his own country. He deserves to enjoy the same privileges of citizenship regardless of religious affiliation. To claim that Islam is the true religion and to accuse other religions of infidelity is a social, religious and legal offense against the People of the Book.
Christians believe that their religion is the true religion of God and Islam is not. Does that mean that Great Britain, which is headed by a Queen, the head of the Anglican Church, should treat its Muslim subjects as a second class? Moreover, why do Muslims in the West enjoy all freedoms allotted to all citizens of these lands, while Muslim countries do not allow native Christians the same freedom? Muslims in the West build mosques, schools, and educational centers and have access to the media without any restriction. They publicly advertise their activities and are allowed to distribute their Islamic materials freely, while native Christians of any Islamic country are not allowed to do so. Why are Christians in the West allowed to embrace any religion they wish without persecution while a person who chooses to convert to another religion in any Islamic country, is considered an apostate and must be killed if he persists in his apostasy? These questions and others are left for readers to ponder.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 9:09:25 PM

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Even in so-called "secular law" Islamic countries. Non-Muslims still gets second rights.

That's what the annual big protest of Bersih is about in Malaysia! Equality to all is still a foreign concept in all Muslim countries.

It's always openly geared towards Muslim Rights First. And anybody protesting and fighting for equal rights for all are often accused of trying to sow dischord by Islamic governments and arrested and shut down.

Compare this to Christian Countries. Where, let's face it, many leftist are Christians too. Obama is a Christian right? So are the Clintons.

They are actually fighting for more rights for minorities.

For me, the ideology is extremely dangerous. I am sorry this heinous ideology of Islam seem to be attached to most people of a certain coloured race, thus, people feel it is racism to be against Muslim.

But it's all this political correct bullshit that Muslims get away from hiding behind Racism bullshit.

Imagine if Nazi movement was formed by a dark skinned race....., that would be interesting. We might start seeing more people defending Nazism.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 9:24:04 PM

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I thought it was interesting that even in the business world a muslim cannot be 'under' a non- muslim.

Business World
The political arena and the official public sectors are not the only area in which non-Muslims are not allowed to assume a position of authority. A Muslim employee who works in a company inquires in a letter "if it is permissible for a Muslim owner (of a company) to confer authority on a Christian over other Muslims? (Al-Muslim Weekly; Vol. 8; issue No. 418; Friday 2, 5, 1993).
In response to this inquiry three eminent Muslim scholars issued their legal opinions:
Sheikh Manna` K. Al-Qubtan, professor of Higher studies at the School of Islamic Law in Riyadh, indicates that:
Basically, the command of non-Muslims over Muslims in not admissible, because God Almighty said: 'Allah will not give access to the infidels (i.e. Christians) to have authority over believers (Muslims) {Qur'an 4:141}. For God - Glory be to Him - has elevated Muslims to the highest rank (over all men) and foreordained to them the might, by virtue of the Qurtanic text in which God the Almighty said: 'Might and strength be to Allah, the Prophet (Muhammad) and the believers (Muslims) {Qur'an 63:8}.
Thus, the authority of non-Muslim over a Muslim is incompatible with these two verses, since the Muslim has to submit to and obey whoever is in charge over him. The Muslim, therefore becomes inferior to him, and this should not be the case with the Muslim.

Dr. Salih Al-Sadlan, professor of Shari`a at the School of Islamic Law, Riyadh, cites the same verses and asserts that it is not permissible for a infidel (in this case is a Christian) to be in charge over Muslims whether in the private or public sector. Such an act:
"entails the humiliaton of the Muslim and the exaltation of the infidel (Christian). This infidel may exploit his position to humiliate and insult the Muslims who work under his administration. It is advisable to the company owner to fear God Almighty and to authorize only a Muslim over the Muslims. Also, the injunctions issued by the ruler, provides that an infidel should not be in charge when there is a Muslim available to assume the command. Our advice to the company owner is to remove this infidel and to replace him with a Muslim."
In his response Dr. Fahd Al-`Usaymi, professor of Islamic studies at the Teachers' College in Riyadh, remarks that the Muslim owner of the company should seek a Muslim employee who is better than the Christian (manager), or equal to him or even less qualified but has the ability to be trained to obtain the same skill enjoyed by the Christian. It is not permissible for a Christian to be in charge of Muslims by the virtue of the general evidences which denote the superiority of the Muslim over others. Then he quotes (Qur'an 63:8) and also cites verse 22 of Chapter 58:
Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Apostle, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred.
`Usaymi claims that being under the authority of a Christian may force Muslims to flatter him and humiliate themselves to this infidel on the hope to obtain some of what he has. This is against the confirmed evidences. Then he alludes to the story of Umar Ibn Al-Khattab the second Caliph, who was displeased with one of his governors who appointed a Zimmi as a treasurer, and remarked: "Have the wombs of women become sterile that they gave birth only to this man?" Then `Usaymi adds:
Muslims should fear God in their Muslim brothers and train them... for honesty and fear of God are, originally, in the Muslim, contrary to the infidel (the Christian) who, originally, is dishonest and does not fear God.
Does this mean that a Christian who owns a business cannot employ a Muslim to work for him? Even worse, does this mean that a Zimmi, regardless of his unequal qualification, cannot be appointed to the right position where he would serve his country the best? This question demands an answer.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 9:29:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I thought it was interesting that even in the business world a muslim cannot be 'under' a non- muslim.

To me, Islam is more than a religion. It is a whole proper thought out political system with governing laws ready to take over a whole country. They have very precised rules for everything. Christianity doesn't have this.

That's why it is almost ridiculous to see it as just a religion.

It's like people fear Communism taking over their own countries. They should seriously fear Islam taking over their own country.

We have some food stalls here that states, "Proudly 100% Muslim owned and managed!"

And that's like open discrimination to say they do not and will not employ non-Muslims. And only them get away with it.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 9:48:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I thought it was interesting that even in the business world a muslim cannot be 'under' a non- muslim.

To me, Islam is more than a religion. It is a whole proper thought out political system with governing laws ready to take over a whole country. They have very precised rules for everything. Christianity doesn't have this.

That's why it is almost ridiculous to see it as just a religion.

It's like people fear Communism taking over their own countries. They should seriously fear Islam taking over their own country.

We have some food stalls here that states, "Proudly 100% Muslim owned and managed!"

And that's like open discrimination to say they do not and will not employ non-Muslims. And only them get away with it.

There's no doubt it is much more than just a religion. Once they take control of a country Islam is all- consuming. It says what non- muslims are allowed and are not allowed. And evidently there is a charge to be kept under their provisions without actually converting to Islam... specifically it is meant as a humiliation tax.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 9:52:39 PM

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I was just thinking, even in my country, if the stall ever dares print on their banner, "Proudly 100% Christian runned and owned!" They would be reported for discrimination. Lol!

Only Islam gets a pass, because they just say, it is against their religion to hire non-muslims.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 10:00:10 PM

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Note to self, don't move to an Islamic State.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 10:15:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Note to self, don't move to an Islamic State.

: ) lol

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/27/2016 10:19:33 PM

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Note to self, don't move to an Islamic State.

Unfortunately, you don't have to move. We can just keep allowing our enemies to move into our backyard and, left un-checked, we'll be an Islamic State.

For reference: check out what's been happening in Minnesota.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 5:42:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

In case you were planning on moving... or wonder what your homeland might be like in the future...

http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm

This study shows us that non-Muslims are not regarded as citizens by any Islamic state, even if they are original natives of the land. To say otherwise is to conceal the truth. ...

Otherwise, because it is wrong.
Get better information.
Look here for example, under "Other religions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Iran

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 7:08:53 AM

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Are there progressive Muslims countries?
Do Muslims persecute other Muslims?

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 7:37:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Otherwise, because it is wrong.
Get better information.
Look here for example, under "Other religions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Iran

Yeah, Muslim countries are SO tolerant...

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israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2007/08/lashes-for-carrying-bible-in-iran.html
Aug 17, 2007 - Lashes for carrying a bible in Iran. A week ago I blogged a story about how Saudi authorities confiscate bibles from Jews and Christians ...

From the British government, a travel guide to a modern, mainstream Muslim-dominated hell:

Local laws and customs

Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country in which Islamic law is strictly enforced. You should respect local traditions, customs, laws and religions at all times and be aware of your actions to ensure that they do not offend, especially during the holy month of Ramadan or if you intend to visit religious areas. It is forbidden to eat, drink or smoke in public during daylight hours during the month of Ramadan. The law is strictly enforced.

In 2017, the holy month of Ramadan is expected to start on 27 May and finish on 25 June. See Travelling during Ramadan

The public practice of any form of religion other than Islam is illegal; as is an intention to convert others. However, the Saudi authorities accept the private practice of religions other than Islam, and you can bring a Bible into the country as long as it is for your personal use. Importing larger quantities than this can carry severe penalties.

Islamic codes of behaviour and dress are strictly enforced. Women should wear conservative, loose-fitting clothes as well as a full length cloak (abaya) and a headscarf. Men should not wear shorts in public.

It is illegal for women to drive.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 7:44:33 AM

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The problem with Islamic culture that "liberals" refuse to see, is that the law is the book and the book is a primitive guide to enslaving and / or murdering everyone a Muslim comes in contact with in the name of Allah

Sometimes an area can go a long time without literal interpretations of the Quran leading to purges of non-Muslims, then someone comes along and says "Why are we not following the book, let us do what is commanded to please Allah" and the blood letting begins.

Happens all the time, all over the world again and again. Some call it self radicalization, but it isn't self radicalization, it is someone reading the book and doing what is commanded.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 8:47:08 AM

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The proplem with nutsucker culture that nutsuckers refuse to see, is that we are not the policeman of the world, nor the moral arbitrator and nutsuckers cant borrow and spend us into another war, that dont make america great again.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 9:25:17 AM

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Another UK travel guide - Pakistan:

Summary

Still current at:
28 December 2016
Updated:
6 December 2016
Latest update:

Entry requirements section - if you’re visiting Pakistan for more than 4 weeks, you may need to provide proof of polio vaccination when you leave Pakistan

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) advise against all travel to:

the Federally Administered Tribal Areas
the districts of Charsadda, Kohat, Tank, Bannu, Lakki, Dera Ismail Khan, Swat, Buner and Lower Dir in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
the city of Peshawar and districts south of the city, including travel on the Peshawar to Chitral road via the Lowari Pass
northern and western Balochistan
travel on the Karakoram Highway between Islamabad and Gilgit

The FCO advise against all but essential travel to:

the Kalesh Valley, the Bamoboret Valley and Arandu District to the south and west of Chitral in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
the city of Quetta
the city of Nawabshah in Sindh Province, and areas of interior Sindh to the north of Nawabshah

While most protests in Pakistan are peaceful, they can turn violent quickly. You should avoid getting caught up in demonstrations, large crowds of people and public events.

Pakistan is in a major earthquake zone and remains at risk from further earthquakes, aftershocks, landslides and flooding. You should familiarise yourself with safety procedures in the event of an earthquake. See Natural disasters

There is a high threat from terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout Pakistan. There is a heightened threat of terrorist attacks, and kidnapping against western nationals in Pakistan. You should be particularly vigilant and take appropriate security precautions.

Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. Densely populated unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, restaurants and places where westerners and the Pakistani elite are known to congregate, are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times and minimize your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 9:28:49 AM

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do you use the british government advice site for all your muslim country travels?
Are they more efficient than your own?

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 9:31:28 AM

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Qatar:

Local laws and customs

Local laws reflect the fact that Qatar is an Islamic country. You should respect local traditions, customs, laws and religions at all times and be aware of your actions to ensure that they do not offend other cultures or religious beliefs, especially during the holy month of Ramadan or if you intend to visit religious areas.

In 2017, the holy month of Ramadan is expected to start on 27 May and finish on 25 June. See Travelling during Ramadan

Be aware of cultural sensitivities when filming or photographing people and religious, military or construction sites. Some visitors attempting to film or photograph in sensitive areas have been arrested. If in doubt, seek permission. If you’re working as a journalist, you’ll need to get permission from the Qatar News Agency (QNA) to film or photograph as part of your work and enter the country on a visiting press permit. This permit will clear technical equipment like cameras through airport customs and provides other necessary information.

Importing drugs, alcohol, pornography, pork products and religious books and material into Qatar is illegal. All luggage is scanned at Doha Airport Arrivals Hall. DVDs and videos may be examined and censored. Penalties for drug offences are severe, often resulting in prison sentences.

It is an offence to drink alcohol or be drunk in public. Alcohol is available at licensed hotel restaurants and bars, and expatriates living in Qatar can obtain alcohol on a permit system. Don’t carry alcohol around with you (except to take it on the day of collection from the warehouse to your home).

You should dress modestly when in public, including while driving. Women should cover their shoulders and avoid wearing short skirts. Any intimacy in public between men and women (including between teenagers) can lead to arrest. Homosexual behaviour is illegal in Qatar.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 9:40:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

do you use the british government advice site for all your muslim country travels?
Are they more efficient than your own?

Translation - "I don't always obfuscate, but when I do it's because someone is presenting indisputable facts, and I really hate it when people learn things."

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 9:41:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

In case you were planning on moving... or wonder what your homeland might be like in the future...

http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm

This study shows us that non-Muslims are not regarded as citizens by any Islamic state, even if they are original natives of the land. To say otherwise is to conceal the truth. ...

Otherwise, because it is wrong.
Get better information.
Look here for example, under "Other religions"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Iran

Further, living in IS or Syria is considerably different than living in Turkey or Bali.

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RE: Rights of a NonMuslim in an Islamic State - 12/28/2016 9:49:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Are there progressive Muslims countries?
Do Muslims persecute other Muslims?

In brief:
1. Some, not all.
2. Oh yes indeed.

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