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BoscoX -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 3:11:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Meanwhile, take a look at the arctic.


Lets do that

Arctic Sea Ice The Same Thickness As 1940




blnymph -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 3:29:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

No... i was being serious.

Maybe people will have to migrate to different areas of the world which aren't populated now because they're too cold but they won't be anymore.

Ok - serious for the moment.

Some might say that migration has started already.

Areas unpopulated though ... are rare. Take a map.

For now let's assume permafrost and glaciers vanish: that offers central Greenland, the arctic islands of Russia and Norway, the northern coast lines of Canada and Alaska, and the Antarctic. The first three will look very different from now then because of the risen sea level. Siberia is no option, because it is far from unpopulated, and melting permafrost will turn it into the largest bogland on earth.

One already existing population of these areas will celebrate though: the mosquitoes.




BamaD -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 3:36:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

I no longer have to scrape my car during winter. Idk where you live, but it is blatant here. Even republicans here admit there is climate change; they just argue if its bad or not

Actually there is more of an argument as to the cause.
We don't want to go back to the 19th century just to find out it was only a warming cycle.




BamaD -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 3:38:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

In south Florida we used to get overnight freeze warnings and damn cold mornings . . . . not in the last two decades. Big change.

We have had more freeze warnings in the last couple of years in Alabama than we ever used to since I moved here in 81.




BamaD -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 3:41:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: montanasubboy

No matter the cause the problem is real. I do really live in Montana and I am here to tell you all "Houston we have a problem". One problem I have with all of this is parts of the world that are not evening working on the problem at all (China). At the end of the day there comes a time when we all will have to do what ever we can to help the problem no matter why we have a problem.

But the reason is important.




blnymph -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 3:44:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Meanwhile, take a look at the arctic.


Lets do that

Arctic Sea Ice The Same Thickness As 1940



Really? Who measured Arctic sea ice thickness in 1940?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_exploration
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The first people to have without doubt walked on the North Pole were the Soviet party of 1948 under the command of Alexander Kuznetsov, who landed their aircraft nearby and walked to the pole.

Maybe better look here ...

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/




heavyblinker -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 4:51:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"If humans aren't causing it, CO2 must not be a climate driver"

Utter post hoc ergo propter hoc. Pure and unadulterated.

Stay on the side your on, and get working on those nanites. Watch some scifi to learn how to make them.


Oh so the problem with all of those fossil fuel emissions isn't that they contain CO2?
You are a fucking idiot with no imagination.

Go start a thread about the automotive industry so you can just repeat the same bullshit about rockets and Russia and China over and over.




heavyblinker -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 4:57:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Meanwhile, take a look at the arctic.


Lets do that

Arctic Sea Ice The Same Thickness As 1940


You're so obsessed with fake news and yet you have no issue posting a link to a cheap-looking blog owned by a known liar simply because it says what you want to believe.




BoscoX -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/3/2017 8:26:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Meanwhile, take a look at the arctic.


Lets do that

Arctic Sea Ice The Same Thickness As 1940



Really? Who measured Arctic sea ice thickness in 1940?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_exploration
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The first people to have without doubt walked on the North Pole were the Soviet party of 1948 under the command of Alexander Kuznetsov, who landed their aircraft nearby and walked to the pole.

Maybe better look here ...

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/


Nio one said "the north pole" goldilocks

And NASA has been caught cheating the data




blnymph -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 12:33:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Meanwhile, take a look at the arctic.


Lets do that

Arctic Sea Ice The Same Thickness As 1940



Really? Who measured Arctic sea ice thickness in 1940?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_exploration
Quote:
The first people to have without doubt walked on the North Pole were the Soviet party of 1948 under the command of Alexander Kuznetsov, who landed their aircraft nearby and walked to the pole.

Maybe better look here ...

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/


Nio one said "the north pole" goldilocks

And NASA has been caught cheating the data



If you had checked the link I gave you there you might have seen yourself: NOBODY measured arctic ice thickness in 1940. 1940 was a year of NO arctic exploration at all. (There was a war going on, and some were a bit occupied with other things ...)
The first pole walk in 1948 by plane travel was an example to help all of you thinking: how was arctic exploration done in those days? ... no guessing needed: mostly by plane. Flying over it. After the war.

Leaves the question: how does one measure ice thickness from a plane flying over it? ...
.. not to forget: in a year when nobody flies over it ...





UllrsIshtar -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 1:00:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

So you admit that climate changes naturally, and always has.


Not this much and not this fast.

"[After setting your car on fire]Listen, your car's temperature has changed before."




Musicmystery -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 5:55:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Meanwhile, take a look at the arctic.


Lets do that

Arctic Sea Ice The Same Thickness As 1940

I know your fantasies all take place in a left/right two-dimensional simplistic world, and your own views one-dimensional.

But in the real world, the arctic is three dimensions, not simply depth, and the area of that ice is clearly shrinking significantly. In fact, since 1978, 5% per

In November 2016, Arctic sea ice extent averaged 9.08 million square kilometers (3.51 million square miles), the lowest November in the satellite record. This is 800,000 square kilometers (309,000 square miles) below November 2006, the previous lowest November, and 1.95 million square kilometers (753,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average for November.

[image][IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/s2b6es.png[/IMG][/image]

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Yeah, I know ... "Nuh-uh," "Fake news," blah blah blah.

How do you even know there IS an arctic, right? Could have been filmed in the same sound stage they used to film the moon landing.

How do you even know there's a US, or a government, or a person called Trump? You've never seen them -- could all be a hoax to control the rubes from Idaho.





heavyblinker -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 6:11:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Yeah, I know ... "Nuh-uh," "Fake news," blah blah blah.

How do you even know there IS an arctic, right? Could have been filmed in the same sound stage they used to film the moon landing.

How do you even know there's a US, or a government, or a person called Trump? You've never seen them -- could all be a hoax to control the rubes from Idaho.


That's a big part of why these 'debates' never go anywhere... global warming debates especially.

If someone is capable of writing off NASA's climatology program as a cash-grab, or capable of dismissing National Geographic, Scientific American, Nature, etc. as 'corrupt liberal media' yet have no problem with Steven Goddard (which is not his real name) and Marc Morano... then there is simply no talking to them.

For the record, I've read that 1940 was anomalous in terms of sea ice in the Arctic, which is probably at least part of why it was chosen for this bit of denialism... I'm not in the mood to scour the net to figure out what means of deception Steven Goddard/Tony Heller is using this time, but rest assured that by the time this recent rumor has been debunked/clarified/whatever, he will have moved on to some new lie/deception/piece of denialism, and then it will start all over again.

None of these little snippets of bullshit will change the fact that the planet is warming, that 2016 was the hottest year on record globally, or that the trend will continue even if action is taken...




blnymph -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 12:01:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
...
For the record, I've read that 1940 was anomalous in terms of sea ice in the Arctic, which is probably at least part of why it was chosen for this bit of denialism... I'm not in the mood to scour the net to figure out what means of deception Steven Goddard/Tony Heller is using this time, but rest assured that by the time this recent rumor has been debunked/clarified/whatever, he will have moved on to some new lie/deception/piece of denialism, and then it will start all over again. http://www.collarchat.com/post.asp?do=reply&q=1&messageID=4986700&toStyle=tm

None of these little snippets of bullshit will change the fact that the planet is warming, that 2016 was the hottest year on record globally, or that the trend will continue even if action is taken...


First, thanks MM for the nsidc link - really interesting.
One can find a collection of databases, 250+ in all, 53 on ice depth and thickness - with dates. To sum it up for you there are arctic data from 1882 (1st International Polar Year), three from the late 1920s/early 30s, from Russian planes landing on polar ice ... then none, until 1947/48 when systematic data gathering began.

Polar reseach was largely done by Norway and Russia/USSR before the 1950s when airlines began polar flights between America and Asia and needed continuous cross-pole weather data, and submarines began operating in the polar sea and needed data about ice thickness. Whatever anomaly is proclaimed about the polar ice cap in 1940, nobody (maybe that is the anomaly) collected ice thickness data then, and not for quite a while afterwards. So whatever idiot posts whatever rubbish about that, it is rubbish posted by an idiot.

The changes in polar climate are evident, on a database spanning about 6, sometimes less decades. This does not seem very much on first sight.

But modern-style records in Northern, Central, and Southern Europe go back to the 18th century. Recent climate change there is even more evident, and based on even more data. Maybe these facts are unknown beyond the Atlantic. It does not devaluate these records, on the contrary.




Nnanji -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 5:58:12 PM)

FR

http://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2016/12/31/skeptical_climate_scientists_coming_in_from_the_cold.html




TwoElements -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 7:57:34 PM)

For starters, doesn't the Keeling curve come to mind? Lest I go on to mention the myriad effects of global warming? How about harmful Algal blooms, coral bleaching to name a couple of examples of our changing ocean ecosystems.




tamaka -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 9:11:54 PM)


January 4, 2017
Scientists Call Global Warming ‘Hot Air’, Show Evidence To Prove It!
By Mark Anderson

TEMPE, Ariz. — Man-made “global warming” is a fantastic fable that needs to debunked. That’s the general outlook of scientists, academics, journalists and other researchers who convened for the third congress of Freedom Force International (FFI), which ran Dec. 2-4 at the Marriot-Tempe “on the Buttes” resort hotel near Phoenix. The event was named, “Global Warming: An Inconvenient Lie.”


It offered a staggeringly different narrative on “global warming” and “climate change” compared to the harrowing themes peddled in our “learning” institutions and in the orthodox press, as this writer heard covering several conference speeches and live streaming video news segments with participants that can be viewed at: https://livestream.com/ronavery/global-warming-congress.

FFI, led by widely respected Federal Reserve investigator-author G. Edward Griffin, welcomed an array of speakers to Tempe. They explored “global warming” from several angles, including the “mainstream” media’s intensely biased stance, as well as the role played by K-12 education, the scientific community, general academia, governments, the United Nations, etc.

This writer covered the FFI event for American Free Press.


All these institutions recite the same anti-human narrative that people are a blight who are arrogantly warming the earth through the routine release of carbon dioxide and other “greenhouse gases” via industrial, agricultural and other emissions.

And we’re constantly told that, lest we mend our ways very quickly, we’re all supposedly in mortal peril from this perceived global warming, amid claims of melting ice sheets, rising ocean waters, droughts, flooding, starvation, riots, water wars, etc.

The FFI conference offered credible evidence to the contrary—even including the topic of geo-engineering and weather modification—thereby adding a new, compelling dimension to the climate issue.


All told, FFI members and guests felt their conference was successful in adding much-needed balance to the debate, via realistic perspectives which show that what little “global warming” may exist is not caused by man-made industrial and agricultural emissions, but instead is caused by solar variation and other factors.

Plus, modest carbon dioxide atmospheric increases, conference participants agreed, can be seen as a largely positive thing since CO2 is the “gas of life.”

Accordingly, CO2 increases would give rise to more lush vegetation and greater food supplies. That challenges the standard fright-peddling narrative that global warming is not only being caused by man-made emissions, but also that CO2 is a virtual “toxin.”


Mathematician Lord Christopher Monckton of the UK told The TRUTH HOUND, on hand reporting on the conference for American Free Press, that flawed math is being used in conjunction with computer-based climate models. That, he said, results in exaggerated predictions of global temperature increases.

Expounding on the outlook of the establishment scientific community that insists without apparent dissent that man-made global warming is real, Monckton in a Dec. 2 video interview (among the videos in the Livestream link above) noted, “They’ve exaggerated the amount of warming” but they’ve also “exaggerated the degree of consensus.”

That remark on the amount of consensus relates to what Monckton and several other FFI conference participants pinpointed as a vulnerable linchpin to the whole global warming claim: The allegation, peddled as immovable fact by establishment scientists and conventional media, that “97%” of scientists believe global warming is caused by humankind’s automotive, industrial and farm emissions—among other emissions, even including cattle flatulence.


The reason the “97%” claim is highly misleading, Monckton and other FFI participants noted, is that it’s based on fewer than 100 of nearly 12,000 peer-reviewed scientific papers on climate change. So, saying that 97% of less than 1% of all these studies support the global warming narrative, while making it sound like 97% of the 12,000 studies support it, is a gross distortion.

Monckton went on to say in his interview with this writer that there also has been an exaggeration of the economics regarding global warming (the supposed need to increase taxes and regulations to mitigate the effects of burning so-called fossil fuels).

“But particularly,” Monckton continued, “they’ve made a mistake on the physics and the math,” which he said results in inflated forecasts of temperature increases “of up to 12 degrees Celsius per doubling of CO2.” However, if the flawed math is corrected, he added, “We can say that it won’t be more than 2.7 degrees C per doubling of CO2, and that’s the high end.”


He further clarified that an increase of 1.6 degrees C, or even 0.7, per CO2 doubling, is more realistic in terms of possible warming, when the correct math is applied.

Other FFI conference highlights included:

Reporter Alex Newman, who said that distortion forms the basis of the corporate media’s totally one-sided view on this issue, even while news reports are replete with references to climate skeptics as mindless “climate deniers” whose very existence doesn’t deserve acknowledgement.
The fact that John Holdren, a retread from the “global cooling” scare stories in the 1970s-80s, has reemerged as President Obama’s “science czar.” The old stories that up to 1 billion could die from global cooling have given way to Holdren’s calls for forced abortions, even while various climate gurus pursue draconian depopulation directives to combat “global warming,” because, to them, fewer people leaving “carbon footprints” equals a “healthier” world.
Stark contradictions, such as a May 2014 LA Times report, “Irreversible Collapse of Antarctic Glaciers Has Begun,” even while NASA cited “record amounts of sea ice.” Then, in May 2015, the UN Foundation and mainstream media partners formed a “news collective” to advance the “correct” climate narrative. But behind the scenes, as Newman showed, a Senate report documents a “billionaires club” that underpins the “green” movement via Rockefeller funds, etc.
An outgrowth of all this is that nearly all media reports call CO2 “pollution” when, in reality, “Human emissions are less than 1% of all greenhouse gases in the atmosphere,” and CO2 is but one component of those gases, as Newman explained. Therefore, the real purveyors of “fake news” are so-called “mainstream” outlets.

Also, Canadian Professor Tim Ball announced to FFI that, soon after the conference, he was to meet with President-Elect Donald Trump’s people to discuss the climate change issue and pursue more realistic policies. This news was well received and fits into Griffin’s mission to have FFI be a true, active “force” for constructive policy changes.

And among other compelling speakers, independent researcher Jim Lee awed many when, backed by memoranda, news clippings and declassified documents, he showed there’s been 100 years of earnest efforts to manipulate the weather, though not always for nefarious reasons.

His www.climateviewer.com website (also www.climateviewer.org) cover considerable ground in documenting and explaining the established know-how to create, intensify and influence the path of rain storms and much more powerful storm movements.

One, among several, conclusions is that anomalies in the world’s climate (extended droughts in the West amid massive, unexpected dumps of rain elsewhere etc.) can be traced to various phenomena including geo-engineering and weather manipulation, but weather gyrations are equated with the common global warming narrative to present a false picture to the public. It’s highly recommended that the reader view this interview by The TRUTH HOUND with Mr. Lee here: https://livestream.com/ronavery/global-warming-congress/videos/143406499






Greta75 -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 9:16:47 PM)

Can I have the link for this article.
I love to send anti-global warming articles to my brother who is a environmental science major.
Lol, he is pro-climate change of course. But he told me, he is interested in any article about why people still don't believe in it.




tamaka -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 9:22:57 PM)

http://ipatriot.com/freedom-force-group-calls-global-warming-hot-air-shows-evidence-contrary-conference/




Greta75 -> RE: Who is ready for some global warming? (1/4/2017 9:33:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

http://ipatriot.com/freedom-force-group-calls-global-warming-hot-air-shows-evidence-contrary-conference/

Thanks :)




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