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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 5:34:47 PM   
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If we ended up in WWIII with China, would you rather have Putin on our side or theirs?


If we ended up in WWIII with China, Putin would be smart to stay out of it, because nobody would win.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 5:51:01 PM   
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I really have to wonder just how long Assange has been working for Putin.

Cited proof that he is?

It's a curiosity that the main concern of the media and the left is NOT what was revealed by those emails...but rather, the unproven belief that it was Russia that provided the material.

I am more disturbed by the fact that when it was only national security at risk it was a ridiculous idea that could never happen but the moment they decided it was a good excuse for Hillary losing it became, not only a sure thing, but the most important thing in the world.

So the issues with Russia aren't just sour grapes, they should be looked into, then?

You, like Obama , said that any such suggestion was just vile politics which no reasonable person would believe for two years when the were trying to investigate Hillary's sloppy handling of classified materials. Now that there is a claim that it may have hurt Hillary you seem to think it is the end of the world. If it was not a big deal when it was about national security, when all it did was confirm what all non Kool-aide drinkers already knew about her. They have already shown that most of it came from Podesta falling for a phising scheme that wouldn't fool a 12 year old.
The question isn't if conservative are in favor of going forward with the investigation we have been demanding for two years but why the left has opposed it for two years and now that they hope it will get a political advantage you act like you invented the idea of investigating cyber security.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 5:53:31 PM   
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Is anyone saying that what was revealed in the Wikileaks emails is inconsequential? My understanding is that there is currently an investigation into Clinton and the emails, so no has closed the door on what will come of the Wikileaks revelations.

What concerns me is that the President-elect refuses to consider the importance of the allegations of Russian hacking. Allegations made by his own intelligence communities. He dismisses reports from his own country's intelligence organizations, has yet to meet with them to get an intelligence briefing (supposedly he has 'agreed' to meet with them sometime this week) on the subject, yet says he has his own sources and knows more than they do.

Even leaders from his own party demand investigations into this. Yet he knows more than they do.

The only other people who are denying the Russian hacking allegations are the Russians. So I have to ask myself, who are Trumps sources?

I have always had a great respect for the office of the President, and when Trump won the office, I wanted him to prove me wrong about everything I had always thought about him. I wanted him to surprise me.

But when a President-elect goes on Twitter and praises the Russian leader, and calls American citizens who didn't vote for him his 'enemies', I have a hard time feeling like he is my President.

In his defense I should point out that he wants to be briefed with what the intelligence community actually has on this before jumping off the cliff.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 6:01:02 PM   
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Is anyone saying that what was revealed in the Wikileaks emails is inconsequential? My understanding is that there is currently an investigation into Clinton and the emails, so no has closed the door on what will come of the Wikileaks revelations.

What concerns me is that the President-elect refuses to consider the importance of the allegations of Russian hacking. Allegations made by his own intelligence communities. He dismisses reports from his own country's intelligence organizations, has yet to meet with them to get an intelligence briefing (supposedly he has 'agreed' to meet with them sometime this week) on the subject, yet says he has his own sources and knows more than they do.

Even leaders from his own party demand investigations into this. Yet he knows more than they do.

The only other people who are denying the Russian hacking allegations are the Russians. So I have to ask myself, who are Trumps sources?

I have always had a great respect for the office of the President, and when Trump won the office, I wanted him to prove me wrong about everything I had always thought about him. I wanted him to surprise me.

But when a President-elect goes on Twitter and praises the Russian leader, and calls American citizens who didn't vote for him his 'enemies', I have a hard time feeling like he is my President.

In his defense I should point out that he wants to be briefed with what the intelligence community actually has on this before jumping off the cliff.

He is the one that is rejecting the intelligence briefings.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 6:32:02 PM   
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Is anyone saying that what was revealed in the Wikileaks emails is inconsequential? My understanding is that there is currently an investigation into Clinton and the emails, so no has closed the door on what will come of the Wikileaks revelations.

What concerns me is that the President-elect refuses to consider the importance of the allegations of Russian hacking. Allegations made by his own intelligence communities. He dismisses reports from his own country's intelligence organizations, has yet to meet with them to get an intelligence briefing (supposedly he has 'agreed' to meet with them sometime this week) on the subject, yet says he has his own sources and knows more than they do.

Even leaders from his own party demand investigations into this. Yet he knows more than they do.

The only other people who are denying the Russian hacking allegations are the Russians. So I have to ask myself, who are Trumps sources?

I have always had a great respect for the office of the President, and when Trump won the office, I wanted him to prove me wrong about everything I had always thought about him. I wanted him to surprise me.

But when a President-elect goes on Twitter and praises the Russian leader, and calls American citizens who didn't vote for him his 'enemies', I have a hard time feeling like he is my President.

In his defense I should point out that he wants to be briefed with what the intelligence community actually has on this before jumping off the cliff.

And THEN jump off the cliff anyway.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 6:53:55 PM   
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Is anyone saying that what was revealed in the Wikileaks emails is inconsequential? My understanding is that there is currently an investigation into Clinton and the emails, so no has closed the door on what will come of the Wikileaks revelations.

What concerns me is that the President-elect refuses to consider the importance of the allegations of Russian hacking. Allegations made by his own intelligence communities. He dismisses reports from his own country's intelligence organizations, has yet to meet with them to get an intelligence briefing (supposedly he has 'agreed' to meet with them sometime this week) on the subject, yet says he has his own sources and knows more than they do.

Even leaders from his own party demand investigations into this. Yet he knows more than they do.

The only other people who are denying the Russian hacking allegations are the Russians. So I have to ask myself, who are Trumps sources?

I have always had a great respect for the office of the President, and when Trump won the office, I wanted him to prove me wrong about everything I had always thought about him. I wanted him to surprise me.

But when a President-elect goes on Twitter and praises the Russian leader, and calls American citizens who didn't vote for him his 'enemies', I have a hard time feeling like he is my President.

In his defense I should point out that he wants to be briefed with what the intelligence community actually has on this before jumping off the cliff.

He is the one that is rejecting the intelligence briefings.

Then he must be precognisant since he doesn't get the briefing until FRIDAY.

This being according to CNN.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 7:17:51 PM   
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In his defense I should point out that he wants to be briefed with what the intelligence community actually has on this before jumping off the cliff.

Yet he has had no problem in flat out denying the Russian hacking, without first seeing what the intelligence community actually has.
Mr. Trump and his advisers, who mocked intelligence agencies this month for their conclusion that Russia was responsible for the hacking.

“I think it’s ridiculous. I think it’s just another excuse,” Mr. Trump said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday” on Dec. 11. “I don’t believe it.” He linked the intelligence assessments on Russia to Democrats’ embarrassment over their loss to him.

Mr. Trump has also voiced his doubts several times on Twitter. In one post, he asked, “If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act?” In another, he asserted that “unless you catch ‘hackers’ in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking.”

In the posts, Mr. Trump wrongly asserted that the United States government had waited until after the election to accuse Russia. In fact, the administration announced in October that it believed Russia had been involved in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and the leaking of the organization’s emails.

Mr. Trump was asked on Wednesday about statements by Mr. Graham that the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, should be personally penalized for the hacking. The president-elect said he was unaware of the comments by Mr. Graham, who was a Republican candidate for president before dropping out a year ago.

“I don’t know what he’s doing,” Mr. Trump said, adding, “As you know, he ran against me.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-hack.html

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 7:28:44 PM   
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He is the one that is rejecting the intelligence briefings.


That's another lie. Fake news.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 7:45:29 PM   
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He is the one that is rejecting the intelligence briefings.


That's another lie. Fake news.

Hardly, the shit is happening real time and live. Fake news are the sort of lies you felchgobblers put out, Daily Caller, Townhall, WND, Faux Noize, WashingtonTimes, IJReview, Heritage Foundation, ZeroHedge, and that sort of nutsucker slobberblog, factless, lying asswipe.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 8:17:58 PM   
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He is the one that is rejecting the intelligence briefings.


That's another lie. Fake news.

Is his mind being controlled by aliens?

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 8:21:29 PM   
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That's another lie. Fake news.


'I don't like this fact. Fake news.'-BoscoX

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 8:30:20 PM   
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Is his mind being controlled by aliens?


Is that what NPR said, or did you get that from the New York Times .

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 8:31:39 PM   
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That's another lie. Fake news.


'I don't like this fact. Fake news.'-BoscoX


You want it to be a fact, you need it to be a fact, but youy can't prove it because its just more fake news.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 9:03:57 PM   
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In his defense I should point out that he wants to be briefed with what the intelligence community actually has on this before jumping off the cliff.

Yet he has had no problem in flat out denying the Russian hacking, without first seeing what the intelligence community actually has.
Mr. Trump and his advisers, who mocked intelligence agencies this month for their conclusion that Russia was responsible for the hacking.

“I think it’s ridiculous. I think it’s just another excuse,” Mr. Trump said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday” on Dec. 11. “I don’t believe it.” He linked the intelligence assessments on Russia to Democrats’ embarrassment over their loss to him.

Mr. Trump has also voiced his doubts several times on Twitter. In one post, he asked, “If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act?” In another, he asserted that “unless you catch ‘hackers’ in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking.”

In the posts, Mr. Trump wrongly asserted that the United States government had waited until after the election to accuse Russia. In fact, the administration announced in October that it believed Russia had been involved in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and the leaking of the organization’s emails.

Mr. Trump was asked on Wednesday about statements by Mr. Graham that the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, should be personally penalized for the hacking. The president-elect said he was unaware of the comments by Mr. Graham, who was a Republican candidate for president before dropping out a year ago.

“I don’t know what he’s doing,” Mr. Trump said, adding, “As you know, he ran against me.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-hack.html


He was , in effect, quoting what Obama has been telling us for the last two years. If it was something that no reasonable person would believe in July why did it become reasonable on 8 nov with no more proof than had existed all along. And he has said that he is waiting now till he gets the briefing.
All we really have is Obama's word, he of it was a video and if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance fame.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 9:25:18 PM   
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That's another lie. Fake news.


'I don't like this fact. Fake news.'-BoscoX


You want it to be a fact, you need it to be a fact, but youy can't prove it because its just more fake news.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38282533

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 9:47:32 PM   
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The Obama administration is consistent. A thorough public denouncement of how the information was released and totally ignoring the information released showing criminal activity.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/3/2017 11:45:32 PM   
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The Obama administration is consistent. A thorough public denouncement of how the information was released and totally ignoring the information released showing criminal activity.
As is the media's handling of it...look at what the Russians did but never mind what's IN the documents.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/4/2017 4:54:09 AM   
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In his defense I should point out that he wants to be briefed with what the intelligence community actually has on this before jumping off the cliff.

Yet he has had no problem in flat out denying the Russian hacking, without first seeing what the intelligence community actually has.
Mr. Trump and his advisers, who mocked intelligence agencies this month for their conclusion that Russia was responsible for the hacking.

“I think it’s ridiculous. I think it’s just another excuse,” Mr. Trump said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday” on Dec. 11. “I don’t believe it.” He linked the intelligence assessments on Russia to Democrats’ embarrassment over their loss to him.

Mr. Trump has also voiced his doubts several times on Twitter. In one post, he asked, “If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act?” In another, he asserted that “unless you catch ‘hackers’ in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking.”

In the posts, Mr. Trump wrongly asserted that the United States government had waited until after the election to accuse Russia. In fact, the administration announced in October that it believed Russia had been involved in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and the leaking of the organization’s emails.

Mr. Trump was asked on Wednesday about statements by Mr. Graham that the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, should be personally penalized for the hacking. The president-elect said he was unaware of the comments by Mr. Graham, who was a Republican candidate for president before dropping out a year ago.

“I don’t know what he’s doing,” Mr. Trump said, adding, “As you know, he ran against me.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-hack.html


He was , in effect, quoting what Obama has been telling us for the last two years. If it was something that no reasonable person would believe in July why did it become reasonable on 8 nov with no more proof than had existed all along. And he has said that he is waiting now till he gets the briefing.
All we really have is Obama's word, he of it was a video and if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance fame.

Not even in welfare patients land has he in effect done so. Of course when Trump fills the swamp and doesnt release his tax returns as promised, hes off to a good indication of his typical nutsuckerism. It will be downhill from there.

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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/4/2017 11:38:03 AM   
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WashPost Is Richly Rewarded for False News About Russia Threat While Public Is Deceived


In the past six weeks, the Washington Post published two blockbuster stories about the Russian threat that went viral: one on how Russia is behind a massive explosion of “fake news,” the other on how it invaded the U.S. electric grid. Both articles were fundamentally false. Each now bears a humiliating editor’s note grudgingly acknowledging that the core claims of the story were fiction: The first note was posted a full two weeks later to the top of the original article; the other was buried the following day at the bottom.

The second story on the electric grid turned out to be far worse than I realized when I wrote about it on Saturday, when it became clear that there was no “penetration of the U.S. electricity grid” as the Post had claimed. In addition to the editor’s note, the Russia-hacked-our-electric-grid story now has a full-scale retraction in the form of a separate article admitting that “the incident is not linked to any Russian government effort to target or hack the utility” and there may not even have been malware at all on this laptop.

More here


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RE: Assange: Obama admin trying to ‘delegitimize' Trump - 1/4/2017 11:46:24 AM   
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Is his mind being controlled by aliens?


Is that what NPR said, or did you get that from the New York Times .

Look up the difference between a statement and a question.

Go slow. I know thinking is not your thing.

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