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ORIGINAL: vincentML This is a distillation of the Feminist brief against male privilege culled judiciously for the most salient from a list of more than 160 items, renumbered and sorted somewhat. It's an excellent example of how feminism's main construct is imaginary. quote:
Some here will agree or disagree in whole or in part, and some will stamp their little man feet in nasty protest as has been the custom of late on this forum. Nevertheless, the brief speaks for itself and is valid, imo. That's because you're a hopelessly compromised weakling who can't think for himself. quote:
1. People give you toys that are more likely to be educational, to develop a range of skills, and to let you imagine a range of career possibilities – while toys considered “girls’ toys” are often limited to beauty, housework and childcare. That's because girls and boys play with different toys even given identical opportunities for both. The preference for boys to look for toys related to systems and girls to look for toys related to interaction with others. One example is here: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160715114739.htm quote:
2. School sex ed, religious values, and other pervasive sources of sexual norms don’t treat your gender as more dirty, impure, and undesirable for losing your virginity. That's a logical psychological outcome of the fact that promiscuity has more dire consequences for women than it does for men. Women risk pregnancy which brings a period of vulnerability and dependency. This is part of being a woman, not a plot by a secret cabal of white men. Anyone who takes this one seriously is a nut. quote:
3. Your energetic behavior and creative energy is encouraged or dismissed with phrases like “boys will be boys.” Girls are taught to be “lady-like,” which includes being more reserved and less outspoken. So? Familial and social group interaction with genders is going to be based upon teaching those skills and attributes which are going to be beneficial to someone. Women trying to act like men is not a winning strategy for the vast majority of women. Society can't cater to the special snowflakes. quote:
4. You’re not told that you’re supposed to be bad at math and science because of your gender. Really? So that's why women are graduating with college degrees at a higher rate than men is it? That's why boys are suffering in schools because feminist teachers are telling them they're privileged and are actively working to promote the needs of girls ahead of them. This claim is pure ignorance. quote:
5. You’re less likely to be the target of street harassment. The majority of women have experienced street harassment in their lives, and most of the men who do are queer or gender non-conforming. Bullshit. It's just that when men experience street harassment, it's called assault or murder, in contrast to the pseudo-harassment that feminists like to bitch about. It's like that woman who wandered around New York for 10 hours to demonstrate "street harassment". She was "harassed" (apparently saying "hello" is harassment) 108 times. Now, since I know you can't do math, I'll break that down for you. She was "harassed" roughly once every five and a half minutes, while walking through a city of 8 and a half million people. If she passed 6 men every minute, then roughly 1 in 30 men "harassed" her by talking to her. Yeah. Street harassment is a REAL problem. Very convincing point there. If you have the reasoning skills of an infant. It's interesting to note that a follow up by a male model walking around New York City for THREE hours got catcalled 30 times. What that demonstrates is that men and women are identical in terms of their commission of "street harassment", it's just that men have lower standards than women do. quote:
6. You can drink in a bar alone unbothered. In many other public spaces, including bookstores, coffee shops, festivals, and more, a woman alone is often assumed to be available for men to talk to and harass. Horseshit. Women don't approach men because they don't have to. They don't put themselves out there, they wait for men to come to them. Aside from which, if talking to a woman in a bar, bookstore, coffee shop or festival is harassment, then how exactly do women expect to meet men? Honestly, this contention is so fundamentally stupid, it's an example of the man-hating lesbian influence in feminism, more than anything else. quote:
7. You’re less likely to be physically injured by a partner. Intimate partner violence is the leading cause of injury to women, more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined. Men are only less likely to be physically injured by women because women are so crap at assault - not because women commit intimate partner violence at lesser rates. In fact, women tend to assault men at higher rates, it's just that their lack of upper body strength makes their unarmed attacks less effective. quote:
8. You’re less likely to have your physical illness symptoms attributed to psychological factors. For instance, when men and women with identical symptoms mention stress, doctors are more likely to overlook a woman’s symptoms of heart disease. That's not privilege, you mental midget, that's simply a fine-grained diagnosis based on gender differences. quote:
9. Your gender dominates influential media institutions such as the Academy Award voting membership, which is 77% male. Women have far fewer media executive positions and are far less likely to be celebrated for success in categories such as Best Director. That's because men are more driven to aim for command and control positions. Women just aren't. Fewer women going in means fewer women coming out. Equality of opportunity does not imply equality of outcomes. quote:
10. Film and television characters of your gender have more substantive dialogue. The Bechdel Test measures whether a story includes at least two women who talk to each other about anything other than a man, and a huge number of popular films fail it. Women just aren't that interesting to the majority of movie-goers. There are movies which succeed in spite of a female protagonist, but it's never because of it and while audiences enjoy escapism, there's at least a sense it has to be grounded in reality. Women as action movie stars don't work all that well because women really are a LOT weaker than men. quote:
11. You can easily enjoy sports with athletes of your gender, as men’s sports get more airtime and promotion than women’s sports. That's because men enjoy sports and women don't. Thus male sports are profitable and women's sports isn't even watched by other women. Only a hard-core socialist would think that corporations should take a financial loss so women's uninteresting and largely unwatchable sports can occupy useless screen time. quote:
12. Your gender is more represented in film, with women making up 12% of protagonists, 29% of major characters, and 30% of speaking characters in the top 100 grossing films. Male characters are generally more interesting with a greater impetus to action. Action movies are profitable - the top 10 highest grossing movies include only two (Titanic and Frozen) which are not action-oriented. The rest are action adventures with male protagonists. quote:
13. There are more lawmakers of your gender determining the rules we all have to live by. For instance, women make up not even 20% of Congress. Women aren't as interested in politics as much as men are and en masse they're simply as not as good at playing the game of power as men are. Equality of opportunity != Equality of outcome. Yadda, yadda, yadda. quote:
14. You’re paid more for your work. On average, white women earn 78 cents to white men’s dollar, with wages going down to 64 cents for Black women, 54 cents for Latina women, and 59 cents for Native American and Alaska Native women. Nope, this is a lie. Men make more money because they work longer hours in higher-paying, more demanding jobs with greater risks and they sacrifice conditions for fiscal reward. Women work part time, prefer conditions to more money, don't work risky jobs and cluster around more popular jobs with no shortage in the labour market. Consequently, those jobs pay less. Women do not get paid less for doing the same job. quote:
15. You have a lower risk of living in poverty. 1 in 7 women and 4 in 10 single-mother families are poor, with the poverty rate for Native American, Black, and Latina women at almost double the rate for white women. Absolutely horseshit. Men are more likely to be homeless and poor. The glass ceiling is also accompanied by the glass floor. This is just an out and out lie. quote:
16. You’re less likely to be penalized for not putting up with sexual harassment and misogyny from co-workers and bosses – they’re often normalized as part of the workplace, with one survey showing 1 in 3 women experiencing harassment at work. Yeah, but apparently feminists think harassment involves someone saying "hello', so any reasonable thinker is going to approach this one with scepticism - especially since sexual harassment laws turn any actual harassment into an opportunity for a monumental payday. quote:
17. Hiring managers in well-paid fields like science and technology look for “masculine stereotypes” that lead them to view you as more favorable than a woman candidate. Gender biases make them judge the same qualifications more positively for men. When women applicants for programming jobs had their gender hidden, they actually did WORSE than they did before. It seems their male interviewers were unconsciously favouring them rather than the other way around. It turns out that statistically speaking, men tend to be bother better and more interested in science and technology than women. quote:
18. You’re less likely to be addressed with demeaning language at work, and more likely to be addressed with respect – unlike women who are referred to as “girls” or called nicknames reflecting stereotypes of women as intellectually inferior, like “honey” and “sweetheart.” Yeah, in the 60's when Mad Men was a thing, but the USA is a rabid hotbed of sexual harassment laws, so I doubt this is the case. quote:
19. Your gender is more represented in higher paid positions. For instance, women are fewer than 5% of Fortune 500 CEOS. Men are more likely to lead. Given that sociopathy correlates with your likelihood of being a CEO, the fact that there are more male sociopaths than female sociopaths translates to more male CEO's than female CEO's. Fact of life. Suck it up and deal with it. quote:
20. If you’re religious, you’re less likely to have your holy texts like the Bible interpreted in ways that justify mistreating people of your gender – like silencing women – and less likely to have passages that affirm your gender ignored. Less likely? There are two main religions in the world, so trying to affirm a statistical likelihood is kinda stupid. Not only does this highlight your problem with math, but this point is really, DESPERATELY reaching. quote:
Examples of male privilege demonstrate how the patriarchy shows up – but they aren’t representations of every man’s life, at every moment. "The patriarchy" doesn't exist. It's a phantom bogeyman invented by feminists. quote:
It’s just more likely that you’ll get these benefits if you’re a man, because they’re supported by the system of patriarchy. No, men and women are different and benefit from different advantages conveyed to them by their gender. quote:
And since patriarchy doesn’t exist in a vacuum, there are other systems of oppression that affect different men differently. A man walking alone at night generally has the privilege of not being targeted for gender-based violence. Wrong. A man walking alone at night is more likely to be assaulted than a woman is. quote:
But a man of color may have to worry about being targeted for racist violence. Wrong. Men of color suffer violence predominantly at the hands of other black men. And black men are more than 6 times more likely to target another race for violence than white men are. Not only are you misinformed, you're parroting outright lies. quote:
A mentally ill man could be targeted for police brutality. What? Are you fucking nuts? You think the cops roam the streets looking for mentally ill people to torture? Dude, you've got some mental problems of your own, by the sounds of it. quote:
A gay man could be the target of homophobic violence. A cis man could be the target of trans violence. quote:
These examples don’t invalidate the existence of male privilege, which are benefits denied to people who aren’t men due to their gender. Male privilege is another phantom. It doesn't exist. quote:
But they show why the context of intersectionality (how different forms of systemic oppression intersect) matters. Intersectional feminism only arose because black women started yelling at white feminists about how implicitly racist their ideology was. And it's true - feminism is a whiny cry-baby outgrowth of white middle class women's self-obsession. quote:
Which of these indictments would you defend and praise and which would you confine to the lowest gates of hell in your privileged male petulance? The ladies are invited to comment as well of course. Karen Straughan posted a list of female privilege. It's fascinating to watch feminists deny the existence of female privilege. I reproduce it here so I can watch you engage in feminist double-think. Or - what is more usual - to ignore the charge of female privilege entirely. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Women are requested to consider whether they can answer "yes" to these questions: 1) People are likely to assume I am a warm and empathetic person. 2) People are likely to assist me when I must perform a physically arduous task. 3) If my car breaks down or I am otherwise in distress, people will be more likely to stop and help me. 4) If I am being physically assaulted, no matter the gender of my assailant, it is more likely that passersby will intervene. 5) People are likely to assume I am a competent parent, unless and until I prove otherwise. 6) People are more likely to respect my right to be offended by inappropriate or impolite behavior. 7) If I yell, people are not likely to believe I am going to hurt them. 8) Dress codes in the workplace and in leisure contexts are more likely to allow me to choose clothing that emphasize my most attractive features and minimize those I am unhappy with. 9) I am allowed by society to wear make-up to make myself more attractive without anyone questioning my sexual orientation. I am given a large social leeway in the kinds of hairstyles I can choose that will flatter my facial features. 10) If I work in a profession that is dominated by the opposite gender, people are likely to see it as "heroic", or a sign of social progress, rather than that I am deficient in some way. 11) If I show weakness, the first response of most people will be to console or help me, not criticize me, ignore me, or dismiss me as pathetic. 12) I am not expected to make the "first move" when meeting members of the opposite sex for the purposes of dating. 13) Members of the opposite gender are expected to make the first move; therefore, it is less likely I will be sexually rejected by those I come into close contact with in a dating context. 14) I am not expected to spend a significant portion of my yearly income on a token that accompanies a marriage proposal. 15) I am less likely to be expected to spend a significant amount of money on gifts, tokens, and activities during courtship and dating. 16) If I am having dinner with a member of the opposite gender in a dating context, and I do not reach for the check, people are unlikely to assume I am cheap. 17) If I am having dinner with a member of the opposite gender in a non-dating context, and I do not reach for the check, people are still unlikely to assume I am cheap. 18) If I earn less than my partner, no one will look at me funny. 19) If I earn nothing and my partner supports me, no one will look at me funny. 20) If I am unemployed and my partner is supporting me, people other than my partner are unlikely to pressure me because I am "not trying hard enough" to find employment. 21) If I earn less than my partner, people are unlikely to expect me to contribute equally to our living expenses. 22) If I am skilled in activities/hobbies that are commonly attributed to the opposite gender (kick boxing, operating power tools, shingling a roof, knitting, scrap-booking, floral arranging), people will see me as admirable. No one is likely to think I am a weirdo or wonder if I'm gay. 23) If I am completing a task with a member of the opposite gender, it will be expected that they take the greater physical burden--such as carrying the heavier boxes. 24) If I cry or am hurt, men and women are unlikely to tell me to "suck it up". 25) If I choose to stay at home with my children while my partner works, people are unlikely to think I am a deadbeat, unskilled, or shirking my responsibility to my family. 26) If I choose discontinue, temporarily leave, or reduce my participation in a high-status career in order to spend time at home caring for children, people are likely to consider it a "noble sacrifice" rather than a waste of my talents. 27) If I work and have a family, my employer will be less likely to require me to work overtime or bring work home with me. This will be the case even if I equally share domestic duties with my partner, or have outside domestic help (housekeeper, nanny). 28) If an employer claims to have "non-sexist" hiring policies, I can assume this to mean that members of my gender will be more likely to be hired, rather than less. 29) If I choose a career in early childhood or elementary level education, or volunteer to work with youth, no one will wonder if it's because I am a pedophile. They will trust me, even if they are aware that members of my own gender can and sometimes do use these positions to facilitate their sexual abuse of children. 30) If I commit a crime against children, even before details come out, people are likely to want to believe I have been falsely accused, was "failed by the system", or was somehow "driven to it" by factors outside my control (such as mental illness, poverty, lack of social services, childhood abuse), because members of my gender "just don't do stuff like that". It is unlikely they will automatically attribute my actions to unprovoked aggression or hold me entirely responsible for them. 31) If I am a victim of domestic violence, there are many services in my community that will help people of my gender. It is unlikely I will be denied services based on my gender. 32) If my partner physically abuses me, I will be believed by the authorities. Their belief will not depend on whether I have physical signs of injury. 33) If I physically abuse my partner, people--including the authorities and victim's services personnel--are likely to assume it was in self defence. Even if I tell them I hit first and my partner is non-violent, they are likely to wonder if my partner did something to instigate the assault, like cheating on me, yelling at me, or otherwise provoking me to lose control. 34) If I physically abuse my partner, and they reciprocate, they are as likely or more likely to be the one arrested as I am, even if my partner's reciprocation was in self-defence. 35) If my partner physically abuses me, and I reciprocate--even if I admit my reciprocation was not in self-defence but out of anger--it is unlikely that I will be arrested. 36) If I am divorced, and my ex-partner earns more than I do, it is more likely I will be awarded spousal support, even if am employed and self-supporting, than if our positions were reversed. 37) If I am divorced, the default assumption in the family court system is that I will have primary custody of my children. This will be the case, even if my ex-partner and I shared breadwinning and childcare duties roughly equally during the marriage. 38) If my ex-partner sues me for custody, they are unlikely to be as successful as I would be were our positions reversed. The burden will be on them to prove I am an unfit parent, rather than that they are more fit, before this likelihood tips in their favor. 39) If I am divorced, I will in almost every case be awarded child support. If my ex-partner does not abide by the terms of the custody/child support order, they will face legal consequences as serious as a prison sentence. They will face these consequences even if their reason for not paying is that their financial situation has changed since the marriage. They will face these consequences even if I do not fulfill my own legal obligations spelled out in the custody order to permit or facilitate their access to my children--my right to distance myself from my ex-partner is likely to take precedence over my children's right to involvement with their non-custodial parent. 40) If I am divorced and my partner is awarded primary custody of my children, I will only rarely be required to pay child support, even if I can afford it. If I am required to pay child support and I do not, for whatever reason, it is unlikely that I will face any legal consequences. 41) If I abuse the legal process during my divorce by obtaining a fraudulent temporary restraining order, misrepresenting my financial status, hiding assets, or otherwise perjuring myself, it is very unlikely I will be charged with a crime. In fact, my abuse of the legal process--even after it has been discovered by the court--is likely to benefit me in matters such as custody. Moreover, "the good of the children" will be treated as a reason to not penalize me monetarily--such as by reducing my share of joint assets. 42) If my ex-partner abuses the legal process in the above ways, they are more likely to be penalized criminally by being charged, or monetarily through reduction of their share of our joint assets. 43) If I have consensual sex with my partner and we are both underage, and a charge of statutory rape is filed, I will never be the one charged. This will be the case even if I pressured my partner to have sex and they objected. 44) If I am raped by a member of the opposite gender, and I am not below the age of consent, no one will tell me such a crime does not exist. 45) If I am raped by a member of the opposite gender, knowledgeable members of the medical and criminal justice communities are unlikely to consider my body's involuntary and automatic responses to sexual stimuli as "proof" that I gave consent. 46) If I am the victim of a statutory rape committed by a member of the opposite gender, and it results in a pregnancy, I will have a choice as to what my parental responsibilities to that child will be. I will not be legally required to be financially responsible for a child that results if I have been raped by an adult.
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